The Official Hempy Bucket Thread

CoCoSativas · Jun 19, 2015

Anyone ever use canna coco a b in a perlite hempy? Im ordering some canna coco nutrient to try for the first time, want to try a hempy i my room at the same time. I wonder if it would work out... Maybe i should email canna...

RetroGrow · Jun 19, 2015

No reason it wouldn't work, but why spend the extra money, especially if you're not using coco? Doesn't make sense. I switched away from Canna nutes in coco, just because it's too expensive, and it's a two part. I have gotten just as good results, if not better with GH. Coco works better in Hempys than perlite.

MaynardG_Krebs · Jun 19, 2015

RetroGrow said:
Coco works better in Hempys than perlite.

True dat..

mgk :tiphat:

CoCoSativas · Jun 19, 2015

RetroGrow said:
No reason it wouldn't work, but why spend the extra money, especially if you're not using coco? Doesn't make sense. I switched away from Canna nutes in coco, just because it's too expensive, and it's a two part. I have gotten just as good results, if not better with GH. Coco works better in Hempys than perlite.

Im a coco user... I called myself CoCoSativas because i grow sativas in coco. I have a gal of each part of gh flora. It works very well, but want to try something else. Ive heard a mix of feeedback on canna... Since its the only food going designed for dope i figure id give it a try.

Im interested in trying a perlite hempy, just for kicks. I dont want to have to buy quarts of something for it or use anything different if possible just want to be as easy as possible. I could use the gh in the hempy but rather mix one food.

Next ones more about seeing whats up with canna, and a hempy experiment for myself.

I wouldnt put coco in a hempy myself. I put it in grow bags. Just what i do... Personal preference to using coco.

Thanks for the answer tho ill give it a try

DoDad · Jun 19, 2015

CoCoSativas said:
Im interested in trying a perlite hempy, just for kicks. I dont want to have to buy quarts of something for it or use anything different if possible just want to be as easy as possible.

I run perlite/hempy semi dutch buckets. I use Maxibloom and the K.I.S.S method and it works well enough.

CoCoSativas · Jun 19, 2015

DoDad said:
I run perlite/hempy semi dutch buckets. I use Maxibloom and the K.I.S.S method and it works well enough.

I like perlite, its neat stuff. I like that its like coco in the way that its a fine medium on its own or great as a addative.

I like using coco and perlite together. They are probably better used together but im playing around with them, just for fun.

Ill probably go to using a 50/50 mix in fabric pots eventually, but who knows. I really like it in plastic bags. Hydro system for 15 bucks for 15 plants...

DoDad · Jun 19, 2015

CoCoSativas said:
I like perlite, its neat stuff. I like that its like coco in the way that its a fine medium on its own or great as a addative.

I like using coco and perlite together. They are probably better used together but im playing around with them, just for fun.

Ill probably go to using a 50/50 mix in fabric pots eventually, but who knows. I really like it in plastic bags. Hydro system for 15 bucks for 15 plants...

75% perlite 25% vermiculte is what I run. It's impossible to over water. I run it like Hydroton, in a top feed continuous system.

That same 75/25 works great for clones. Fill a seed tray with the mix, keep 1/4" of water in the bottom of the tray holder and walk away. Good for seeds too. I find the Perlite/vermiculite combo a pretty versatile wicking system.

Ripcord · Jun 21, 2015

Thanks for stealing all my hard work you ****. This isnt cool.

delta9nxs · Jun 21, 2015

Cannabis said:
Actually that's not really true. The thing the actual inventor claims makes something a Hempy Bucket is being passive using a high capillary power substrate such as perlite or perlite mixes or coco/coco mixes, and the approximately two inch hole establishing the reservoir's holding capacity.

I saw him make a statement about what he claims is the concept and construction of the pot growing method he pioneered, on a thread somewhere.

What you're discussing is various kinds of lightweight media soilless, and hydroponic growing in general,

seeking to ignore chilling and aeration of fertigant typically required to suppress pythium

that always infects the roots of people who try to immerse hemp roots

in unchilled, or under-aerated growing solution, too long.

They're not the same things simply because they use water and lightweight media;

that guy's claimed invention's the

pulse-fed flood/drain cycles

of a manually watered bucket/pail/jug,

of any of several sizes, up to around five/seven gallons:

with a two inch hole to set the flood level

not needing aeration

not needing a chiller.

Because the manually pulse fed ebb/flow bucket with the two inch hole,

to set the reserve level, doesn't get root rot.

howdy, i did hempy style for several years. and researched the "invention" thoroughly. hempy did not "invent" this technique. i will go along with him "pioneering" it in the pot community but it was "invented" by a lady here in oregon named peggy bradley. she clearly was using this technique in 1969 for growing vegetables.

http://www.simplyhydro.com/growing_your_own_food.htm

here is a simple but radical improvement. i'm going to ask someone here growing in hempy's to build one of these and run it side by side in the same room.

this is a handwatered, drain to waste device that requires 2 holes drilled in it.

the top bucket is a 3.5 gal and gets a 1.5" hole dead center in the bottom and the bottom is a 5gal with a single 7/16" hole drilled at 3" up from the bottom.

the tube projecting from the bottom of the top bucket is a 1.5" sink tailpiece available from any hardware store. i think even wally's has them.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-1-1-2-in-x-6-in-PVC-Flanged-Strainer-Tailpiece-C9800/205154040

put this in the 1.5" hole in the top bucket and put a piece of fiberglass window screen over the end held with wire ties.

fill the top including the tube with your favorite medium, and water to your hearts content.

i fed a 600ppm solution using just enough liquid to create a visible drip from the sidewall hole. put the whole rig in a large plant saucer and the small amount of runoff will evaporate before the next watering event.

this will radically outperform a hempy bucket.

best of luck!

DoDad · Jun 21, 2015

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say what I did was a success. Some people in this thread said not to do it this way but I did it anyway and it worked well.

This is complicated to explain but it's basically a dutch bucket system except it keeps the 2" rez at the bottom of the bucket like a traditional hempy.

The other difference is that they are top fed 24/7, so the bottom rez is constantly refreshed with nutes. So top down, the nutes drain out of the 2" holes and back into an external tub where it's re-oxygenated and pumped over the plants again.

People in this thread said that the roots would rot but I haven't seen any indication of that, and I have been running them this way for nearly 90 days. As a matter of fact, my plants look very good.

The problem I had with the traditional hempy is you still have to hand water them every other day at the least, and every day at most. If you are running several pots, that's even more hassle.

Using the 2" rez gives each dutch bucket it's own mini DWC and because the turnover of nutes is great in that tiny 2" rez, no root rot has appeared.

Something else you guys might find interesting. My tent temp is north of 90*F. Normally, we all know that would spell doom for any DWC type grow, but I have had nothing but super healthy, fast growing plants.

The reason I don't have root rot issues is that there is no standing water inside the tent or on the roots. The main rez that all the pots drain into, is outside the tent at norm room temps. The air in the tent might be 90*, but the nutes are 70*-80*.

I don't water anything. All I do is add water to the external tub and move the lights up. If I could move the lights up without opening the tent, I could keep the tent closed for months.

Here's a shot from yesterday of a plant grown using this modified hempy method. Everyone can judge the condition of this plant for themselves, but they look pretty good to me.

MrBelvedere · Jun 21, 2015

DoomsDay · Jun 21, 2015

Dodad, I think the overall pint was missed. Hempy buckets are suppose to be simple and easy method for growing. Adding all of these pumps, watering timers, etc may have made it easier for you, however you have also had to consume how much more power to grow the same plants... therefore your room is actually creating a larger carbon footprint to put out the same if not less in yeild. Based on photos, I can't agree with those plants doing profoundly better than an average hempy that is simply watered every 3 days. Here is my standard hempy at 3 weeks of veg time under 750 watts. My driveway thermometer read 101 when i pulled in yesterday so we are dealing with identical heat issues, I am just not paying the power and dealing with the electronic hassles that come with the ever increasing number of components being plugged into a socket.

DoDad · Jun 21, 2015

DoomsDay said:
Dodad, I think the overall pint was missed. Hempy buckets are suppose to be simple and easy method for growing. Adding all of these pumps, watering timers, etc may have made it easier for you, however you have also had to consume how much more power to grow the same plants... therefore your room is actually creating a larger carbon footprint to put out the same if not less in yeild. Based on photos, I can't agree with those plants doing profoundly better than an average hempy that is simply watered every 3 days. Here is my standard hempy at 3 weeks of veg time under 750 watts. My driveway thermometer read 101 when i pulled in yesterday so we are dealing with identical heat issues, I am just not paying the power and dealing with the electronic hassles that come with the ever increasing number of components being plugged into a socket.

True. I have added automation. It's one water pump, one air pump. My electric bill is consistently $40.00 per month for growing and that includes all the pumps, and lights and fans. That $40.00 can pretty easily grow 8 or more plants and a I have a closet full of clones.

As a test I did a 4 plant clone run in DWC but outside the tent. The ambient was near 80ish and I changed the water once per week. Within a month my roots had some nasty brown sludge on them. Not sure what it was and don't care because the plants hermied on me anyway. Was that stress to go hermie on me from the brown goo? I don't know but what I do know is high temps and standing water don't play well in my house. MY RH is usually in the 65-75% range.

The point of that images was not to show how much better my plants performed than ones watered every 3 days, (although all my tests would appear to indicate that watering more often means faster grow) the point of my post was that there appears to be no disadvantages to watering more as some have claimed.

If I was watering every 3 days in my situation, there would be no plants short of installing an ac unit in my 3x2x5 foot tent or buying a Chiller.

I don't water my 8 plants EVER, much less every 3 days so it can't get much simpler for me than doing nothing.

You do it your way. We all have our way that works. I just came back to say, now with some experience that it's difficult if not impossible to over water cannabis plant in a 75% perlite/25%vermiculite hempy bucket. I said sometime back in this thread I would report back my findings and that's exactly what I just did.

Let's grow on.

MrBelvedere · Jun 21, 2015

DoDad said:
True. I have added automation. It's one water pump, one air pump. My electric bill is consistently $40.00 per month for growing and that includes all the pumps, and lights and fans. That $40.00 can pretty easily grow 8 or more plants and a I have a closet full of clones.

As a test I did a 4 plant clone run in DWC but outside the tent. The ambient was near 80ish and I changed the water once per week. Within a month my roots had some nasty brown sludge on them. Not sure what it was and don't care because the plants hermied on me anyway. Was that stress to go hermie on me from the brown goo? I don't know but what I do know is high temps and standing water don't play well in my house. MY RH is usually in the 65-75% range.

The point of that images was not to show how much better my plants performed than ones watered every 3 days, (although all my tests would appear to indicate that watering more often means faster grow) the point of my post was that there appears to be no disadvantages to watering more as some have claimed.

If I was watering every 3 days in my situation, there would be no plants short of installing an ac unit in my 3x2x5 foot tent or buying a Chiller.

I don't water my 8 plants EVER, much less every 3 days so it can't get much simpler for me than doing nothing.

You do it your way. We all have our way that works. I just came back to say, now with some experience that it's difficult if not impossible to over water cannabis plant in a 75% perlite/25%vermiculite hempy bucket. I said sometime back in this thread I would report back my findings and that's exactly what I just did.

Let's grow on.

Please stay on topic and post up in the Infirmary because you are simply doing hempy wrong....

DoomsDay · Jun 22, 2015

No way intended to be taken as a personal attack dodad. I do agree that what works for one does not always work for another. Cheers to your grow and I raise a beer to you for a successful harvest.

Trichome_Jungle · Jun 30, 2015

There is no way to "do a hempy grow wrong". What works for one strain or environment does not always work for another. Is a learning experience every grow. I've fed every 4 days in pure perlite hempys and in coco hempys, and i've fed twice a day in the same mixes. It has alot to do with the environment, including air flow, exaust, light (lumens, spectrum), strain, water quality/ph/ec.... the list goes on. My point is there is no wrong way to grow, only room to improve.

Trichome_Jungle · Jun 30, 2015

An example of two different perlite hempy grows that were extremely different feeding scheduals and bucket style.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=48959&pictureid=1162115

Zen Medz · Jul 1, 2015

Delta9, I have read through some of your PPK threads and have enjoyed the science and engineering behind the designs. I'm also impressed, along with many others, on the yield and low maintenance. I haven't run a PPK yet but would like to test one out next grow.

Your comment: "this will radically outperform a hempy bucket." in your post above is a pretty bold statement. Do you think your passive PPK you showed above will radically outperform a 5 gallon hempy with 75% coco 25% perlite that is vegged 6-8 weeks?

What type of feeding regiment would you recommend for your passive PPK? Is there a need to feed from the top every day or two to ensure there isn't salt build up? Always trying to improve my growing technique, thanks!

Babbabud · Jul 1, 2015

This is the Hempy bucket thread .... lets keep it about Hempy buckets ... if you wish to talk about dutch buckets please make a seperate thread and lets work hard to keep this thread on topic. thanks

CoCoSativas · Jul 1, 2015

Babbabud said:
This is the Hempy bucket thread .... lets keep it about Hempy buckets ... if you wish to talk about dutch buckets please make a seperate thread and lets work hard to keep this thread on topic. thanks

So many neat buckets out there. Ill have to look up other bucket ideas.

So im currious about coco hempys. Does this effect the air matrix of the coco by being to wet? Or is the "reservoir" filled with another materiel like perlite or hydroton/hydrocorn?

So another question, pure perlite or traditional hempy guys, do you preffer hand water or recirculating? If recirculating would you choose gh flora, house and garden, canna or maybe something else?

I really like my gh but always happy to try another type of bottles.

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