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Colombian Love Fest - Punto Rojo - 1 - "Jennifer Flowers" - 17 weeks of flowering. Pollinated at 3, 4, and 5 weeks. Harvesting seeds/ seed bract from the first dusting of pollen. Cured on the plant, and another 15 mintues after harvest..



17 weeks and Lower seed calyxs are ready, sinsimella tops are not yet ready. No real signs of buds, due in part to the plant having produced developed seeds.

Aromas are tropical fruit/cedar. Crushed and course screened leaves and seed calyxes. Smoke tastes like 1975 Colombian/hash/ with a bit of frankincense in the lower end.

Deja Vu all over again a 1975 reverie. This is old school hippy pot. Visionary, dreamy meditation. It a beautiful sunny fall day, I'm sitting in a field smoking a joint and looking at the clouds. I'm 40 years younger now, hehehe. All the feelings and spiritual aspirations of youth are flowing thru my mind.

A bit stronger and more dreamy and visionary than 15 weeks. Very clean, and clear, much more so than even Destroyer. Punto Rojo high is soft no increased energy or motivation.

PS> Punto Rojo is not for stoners, or the couchlock crowd.

Satva - Punto Rojo is looking every bit as wildly extreme tropical NLD as Jamaican, Thai, or anything else to me. I think my Jamaican will get done before the Punto Rojo by the way it looks at this point. ...and I don't care as long as it gets me there.


Your garden is looking good.



Great smoke report!!



ThaiBliss

how can you make sure that only the middle and lower branches are seeded?

Collect the pollen in a glass dish, and use an artist paint brush to apply the pollen, when the lower branches are mature and upper flowers are beginning to flower. On the Colombian Gold, only 1 branch was pollinated, so its 90% sinsimelia.

Punto Rojo was accidentally pollinated by a 'wild and crazy" Colombian Gold dominate male (CG x C99). So this Punto Rojo has more seeds than I planned. When you seed one female with three different males there will be some accidental pollination of other branches than the one you label. Sometimes the seed markings will give an indication of the father. Punto Rojo seeds were large solid light brown, and medium brown with dark molting/markings. Since this seed run had some accidental haze I'll sort the seeds using the branch labels and the markings.

The plan on the three Punto Rojo females in early flower is to pollinate only 1 or 2 lower branches of each with a Punto Rojo male ~ 80% - 90% sinsimelia. Much easier than pollinating one female with 3 males. From a flowering yield perspective this grow was a mess, but I'm harvesting two seed lots of Punto Rojo x (Thai/Mexican) and one lot of Punto Rojo x 1972 Colombian Gold and 1980 Colombian Gold f2 seeds. I'm guessing Colombian Gold has the frankincense, too early to know for sure.

Cheers!

Dave Coulier said:

Great looking plant Mustafunk, but I strongly urge you to go not another week, but another month and re-evaluate. I wouldn't even consider chopping that lady down in a week. How far along is she at this point?

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Thanks for the advice bro... well about 16 weeks forced at 11h, which probably made the plant mature quite faster, I was surprised to see how fast it evolved within the last few weeks. But i'm also a bit afraid that she won't get much better due to the lack of sun and upcoming colder weeks within this latitude. I'm afraid she may not become any better with a few weeks more but I'll keep my hand on her for sure!

Let's see anyway!

Hey ThaiBliss,

Punto Rojo -1 aka "Jennifer Flowers" was not as wild and cray as a Jamacian Lambsbread and a Colombian Gold x C99 female, that were culled, to make room for Punto Rojo. JLB and CG x C99 were wild and crazy "hippy chicks", extreme NLD or landrace-ish. I made seeds, so maybe later.

USC 1980 Colombian Gold pheno-types from [(1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamacian Lambsbread) x 1980 Colombian Gold shown earlier have similar growth and flower structure to NLD pheno-types in Destroyer or Highland Mexican. The 1980 Colombian gold looks more developed than the PR, JLB, or CG x C99. I'm not sure but the CG in CG x C99 was probably a 1970's undeveloped Colombian landrace. No signs of C99 anywhere.

I'm hoping for Punto Rojo f2 seeds from the three young females. If the two Punto Rojo seedlings I'm growing on 11/13 are not male. I'll cross the three Punto Rojo females shown to Sam's (Original haze x Skunk #1) aka (Haze x Acapulco Gold) father and or Sam's Thai x Skunk #1. Acapulco Gold and Highland Guerrero have a strong stone, so [Punto Rojo x (Haze x Acapulco Gold)] might work.

satva said:

Colombian Love Fest - Punto Rojo - 1 - "Jennifer Flowers" - 17 weeks of flowering. Pollinated at 3, 4, and 5 weeks. Harvesting seeds/ seed bract from the first dusting of pollen. Cured on the plant, and another 15 mintues after harvest..

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17 weeks and Lower seed calyxs are ready, sinsimella tops are not yet ready. No real signs of buds, due in part to the plant having produced developed seeds.

Aromas are tropical fruit/cedar. Crushed and course screened leaves and seed calyxes. Smoke tastes like 1975 Colombian/hash/ with a bit of frankincense in the lower end.

Deja Vu all over again a 1975 reverie. This is old school hippy pot. Visionary, dreamy meditation. It a beautiful sunny fall day, I'm sitting in a field smoking a joint and looking at the clouds. I'm 40 years younger now, hehehe. All the feelings and spiritual aspirations of youth are flowing thru my mind.

A bit stronger and more dreamy and visionary than 15 weeks. Very clean, and clear, muc more so than even Destroyer. Punto Rojo high is soft no increased energy or motivation.

PS> Punto Rojo is not for stoners, or the couchlock crowd.

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That report is most appreciated

The taste sounds amazing right up my alley and effects seem to be very special . This is something I'd love in my jar

I'd love to see bud pics

1luvbigherb

I'd love to see bud pics

So would I! I'll post pictures prior to harvest, don't expect a centerfold.

if it anint church it anint fire

My theory is that USC's Colombian Gold has the "church", not Punto Rojo. My recollection is the "church" high is "all-encompassing" and expands your mind. You're viewing the world from inside your mind looking out into the world. Something like that! Once your mind expands into the 'church" you never forget it. Deja Vu all over again! On the other side of "church" was early 1970's Nepalese Temple Hash thru New York City.

USC's Colombian Gold doesn't have much smell ~ 13 weeks flowering, but its astringent, with none of Punto Rojo's sweet tropical fruit aromas. Punto Rojo tastes like 1970's Colombian, with just a bit of cedar/frankincense. The Punto Rojo pheno I selected is wispy Thai-like very sweet tropical fruit. Its been awhile since I smoked something I'd call visionary. Other than that huge visionary plus, its not going to be easy to compare this poorly grown seeded Punto Rojo to today's standards for getting stoned.

PS> I won some GNF seeds made by purple clouds - [(Blue Nepalese) x (Colombian Black x Thai (NLD) x (Burmese)] some possibility that this cross will have the "church", which purple clouds notes as a very spiritual high.

PPS> Who knows for sure on any of this?

Greetings,

I think I missed a couple of posts before the last of my posts. I just want to say that I appreciate ALL the contributions, even those that contradict my own experiences. I have a bad habit of directly contradicting people. I'm not good at softening it to the level of the spirit in which it is done. I like to get everyone's opinion. My opinion changes over time, sometimes to the point of directly contradicting myself. I like to take it all in as it could be useful in the future.

Everyone grows so differently, and there are so many factors to consider that it is hard to separate out which variables are making the difference. Under some conditions, you might notice one variable that seems to make a big difference, but under other conditions, that one variable could appear to make an opposite difference.

Thanks to everyone's contributions to this thread,

ThaiBliss

Dr.King said:

The Sativas I flowered at 11 hours vs 10 had no potency lose and these where done with a 6 month cure. My 24 week Oldtimer's Haze from Ace seeds was done under 10/14 and is by far the most potent cannabis I have ever smoked. Tired almost all of Ace's Sativas. Doing a Thai leaning Zamal under 10/14 atm and she is looking beautiful. I have multiple clones and will run side by side test with cured buds for more self testing. To date in my opinion it doesn't change the potency it just makes it ripen faster. We can all have are own opinions I guess. I just know for a fact it makes hard ripping Sativas finish faster. Dave, Thai Stick can take up to or over 200 days to ripen with 11/13. Good luck all .

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I feel the same as Dr.king...i even tried 8/16 photoperiod with no loss in potency, yeild maybe less but i'm not so sure about it.

Interesting findings... I think it's a matter of having in mind if we speak about tropical strains or subtropical/western hybrids.

Most tropical strains won't really flower until daylenght is cut down to 11h, that's because of the photoperiod found in the tropical regions (it varies from 13 to 12h daylength all the year around = only 1h difference between vegetative and flowering seasons).

Then flowering such tropical strains at 12/12h doesn't really make sense, most won't flower properly and there's a waste of electricity in my opinion. I've seen this happening with most tropical landraces I grew.

On the other hand, cutting the daylength too much can be negative as well. Of course this will always make plant to mature earlier, as it will make the stigmas to become senescent sooner. But it also makes the plant to receive less light energy and more darkness per day as well. The plant can be expected to loose more energy due to the longer period of transpiration and make the resulting final yield and potency to be smaller.

I've seen some people using a decreasing daylenght schedule as well... starting at 12h for the first flowering weeks, then dropping to 11h for some time, then 10h and finally 9h in order to get earlier harvests too and replicating the natural photoperiod of the autumn on temperate latitudes. I guess it would be interesting to test several techniques with the same clone of a Haze or any other tropical strain.

I've read some time ago a paper from David Potter from GW Pharma, where they analyzed the results of various experiments to find the best daylength schedule in their Sativex farms, they've found out that flowering at 11h was unreliable because of the average loss on final yield and cannabinoids, besides the electricity savings as opposed to doing it at 12h. I remember that one or two of the strains didn't had a substantial loss of cannabinoids in the same way it happened with yield. But I don't think they had any tropical landrace clones on those tests to see the behaviour of a tropical ecotype, the results are definitely interesting for those wanting to know how daylength influences on plants:

Sounds like it still a grey area that needs more research ,
i for one cant imagine a plant , any plant , flowering here in the tropics for 200 days ,
it just doesnt happen ...
Also the plants we grow are finished before the hours are at 11/13 ,
so they flower best here with hours above 11 per day ..

I have grown many hybrids ,, sativa dominant and pure sativas at my latitude and taken note of their reactions to increasing day length , when they flower , and when they reveg, and its not just the day lengths that make the difference ,, its availability to nutrients , particularly water ... A week of tropical down pours will initiate reveging even at less than 12/12 , on pure sativas and sativa dominant varieties ... Ive seen it happen, all that free floating nitrogen in the air makes it hard for them to resist ..
There is something about indoor that makes them react differently to how they would outdoor in their natural environment , likely a whole bunch of things climate related ..

I recall having some debate with a chap that said we can replicate a tropical climate indoors ,, well you cant , or you will see plants react the same way as they do outdoor in the tropics ... You cant make it as hot , you cant make it as humid , those lights are nothing compared to the tropical suns intensity , you cant replicate a tropical storm , plants just wont tolerate that indoors ...

This is an interesting discussion.

Mustafunk - I remember reading about a study referenced by Robert Connell Clarke in Marijuana Botany that implied THC production was best at 12 hours light, 12 hours dark. Like you said, I suspect that would depend heavily on strain, and as Donald Mallard points out, many other conditions.

Donald Mallard said:

i for one cant imagine a plant , any plant , flowering here in the tropics for 200 days ,
it just doesnt happen ...

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My intuition makes me tend to agree, but don't have the experience to know any better than that. When I grew the Gypsy Thai x Mullumbimby x Neville's Haze for 9 months indoors, my eyes told me to keep going due to the large amounts of fresh pistils. My nose told me that 7 months was the time I should have taken it. Unfortunately, I did not recognize it until after the fact. My previous record long flowering grow was 18 weeks. I don't have that much experience with these pure tropical long flowering plants.

Donald Mallard said:

...its not just the day lengths that make the difference ,, its availability to nutrients , particularly water ... A week of tropical down pours will initiate reveging even at less than 12/12 , on pure sativas and sativa dominant varieties ... Ive seen it happen, all that free floating nitrogen in the air makes it hard for them to resist ..

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I have been reducing nitrogen for a long time due to past experience. I think it is especially valuable at the end of the life cycle. I cut back my watering the last month in my outdoor garden also.

Donald Mallard said:

There is something about indoor that makes them react differently to how they would outdoor in their natural environment , likely a whole bunch of things climate related ..

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Without a doubt in my mind that plants grow differently indoors. The same can be said for outdoors under varying conditions. It is amazing the different looks a plant can display depending on all kinds of conditions. It is a real marvel. For WLD strains, I can make my buds look like they are grown indoors, less leafy and more resinous and often preferred for bag appeal, by simply cutting off nitrogen and watering less.

I think it needs to be said that I do not have any doubts that world class quality can be produced indoors. I have done so myself. That Neville's Haze I rave about was the best weed I ever smoked, and I have 46 years smoking experience to compare it to, much of that time having access to far superior product than most other people I have come across, at least until the early 1980s. I spent a decade or more smoking Thai Stick, and 20 years smoking various Colombians, Jamaican, Sumatran, and many others. I have grown about 7 strains indoors repeatedly that were world class also, in my opinion. Growing great weed indoors may be much harder than outdoors, certainty for tropical strains. Then again, it may be that I don't have the skills. LOL. Every dog has his day if he keeps at it long enough, and I can't quit.


ThaiBliss

My Bangi Haze is filling out amazingly fast, and ripening also. It has a strong perfume anisette aroma, like the first one I loved grown indoors that I did not keep a cutting of.

Here are some pictures from last week:






Parts of the plant are getting a light red color in the small flower leaves, but I could not get a good picture of that.

I kept some seeds of one I liked from last summer that was spicy. I had to use a Nepal Jam male because I could not get seeds to form while using a Bangi Haze male. If I like the beauty in the pictures above, I can use the seeds (males) from the cross to pollinate it, if those children turn out well.

Love this time of year... before the real work starts!


ThaiBliss

Props again TB great thread and discussion . Again I'm not as smart as you all but could it be we can't find that trip weed because we've been looking in the wrong places? Like home grows indoor and outdoors when they reach their peak quality only at equator and outdoors in Mother Nature ? Seems like we'd found it by import so....anyway just thinking
Peace sdd

I think your pretty smart sdd420 ....

i don´t expect to ever grow so strong ganja indoors as some imported thai or african i smoked. and i think i don´t get that kinda high now compared to how i did when i was young.

G`day Don

I can vouch for the benefits of the Tropical environment .
Nevil`s Hz grown close to the equator . Scared me .
Nevil`s cut of , Nevil`s Hz grown indoors in Sth Holland close , but not as much energy .


Thanks for sharin

EB .

Props again TB great thread and discussion . Again I'm not as smart as you all but could it be we can't find that trip weed because we've been looking in the wrong places?

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sdd420

like maybe not focusing on traditional African curing techniques like tangwena is doing?

As a grower that maintains a tropical like environment indoors with full spectrum lighting that runs 10:20/13:40 in flower I simply must disagree

sdd420 said:

...but could it be we can't find that trip weed because we've been looking in the wrong places? Like home grows indoor and outdoors when they reach their peak quality only at equator and outdoors in Mother Nature?

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But I have found it, and it was in my little indoor grow cabinet. Read the thread. Next time, come over and see for yourself. It scares the shit out of most "seasoned" smokers who often think it is laced with some hallucinogen. Many do not like it. I love it.


I'm looking for the next one to cross it to. I'm just not willing to compromise with "close enough". My particular SAGE cut is pretty close, just not quite potent enough. I have some buds of that in my possession. Come by. P.M. me. Let's smoke. It is not exactly scary Thai Stick style, more like great Mexican, but it is so beautifully cerebral. I love it. I hope to always have this cut. I think it is a great one to use as a breeding tool to reduce ripening time and solidify bud structure.

The Bangi Haze I just posted about also has some very clean and clear individuals in the population. It is a bit trippy. My sense of hearing is greatly enhanced. I walk at an unnatural angle when smoking that, like John Wayne or something. LOL. That is trippy weed for the ear, with it's enhanced hearing and fucking up my balance. It puts a shit eating grin on my face all day. It makes the ladies horny.

I've found it again since the time that this thread started. It was Zamaldelica. It was just a little bit too much on the dark side compared to what I want. It was too introspective and trippy without the energetic brightness and euphoria of the Neville's Haze I found. Thai Stick is what I really want. There may be better ones in the Zamaldelica population. I grow 1 to 3 plants at a time. That's about 6 plants a year! It takes time.

The reason why a breeding quality one is so hard to find, is because it was always rare, and now that almost everyone in the world, literally, has been crossing it and everything else to Afghani hash plant style weed that ruins the genetics, it made it 100 times more rare. Those that do have it, tend to hoard. Anyone who has smoked Thai Stick back in the 70s, please tell me this is all not true. Donald?

I'm not arguing that indoors is better, or that I'm better than mother nature, either of which would be a ridicules notion, and is a false premise in the context of what I have already posted. All I'm saying is I have experienced supreme quality from many indoor grows, with around 7 different strains over a period of 40 years of growing experience.

I guess I need to re-summarize this thread repeatedly for readers that trip on by and only read a few posts.

The real problem is... I'm just so friggin' picky. The up side is, in the end, I will have something very special.

Keep on Tripping,

ThaiBliss