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OUTDOOR GROWS 2023 -ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE-

pipeline

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Predatory mites are the way to go. A friend doing a big commercial grow for the state, a couple thousand plants, switched to predatory mites after broad mites destroyed his crop. He used them successfully for a couple years. He said his biggest problem was that they'd eat all their prey and starve to death. Hopefully yours will survive on the pollen when they run out of pests to consume. They might not eat it for some reason, not the type they like, too dry, or they only eat pollen they harvest themselves, but it's worth a try and seems like there's a good chance of success.

Garden is looking better every day. It's been sunny and dry, I've been watering every day. Getting the last few stragglers into the ground. The difference in size between the ones in the ground and the ones in containers has gotten more noticeable. It takes a couple weeks after transplant for the roots to get established, my plants that have their roots down are going off. The ones that I just transplanted are growing slower, some of them are wilting in the midday heat. Even with plenty of water.

The wilting thing always happens this time of year when I put large plants in the ground. I think it's because the root mass is unnaturally small, it can only suck up a small volume of water. Not enough to keep the plant's fluid levels high enough.

My Strange Brew is starting to impress. Has a wonderful sweet skunk smell. Has a very upright growth pattern.

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My purple Goji OG F2 took a while to get established and get vigorous. It's surprising me now, every time I look at it, it's taller. The smell is starting to develop, getting spicy with a hint of anise.

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One of my best plants last year was Super Ape. This year I chose the one that looked and smelled the most like my best one last year. The squatter bushier frosty one. She already has a wonderful grape-apricot smell.

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Got some great lines going there! Super Ape sounds really good! What is the Goji OG? OG Kush is a great potent line, must be a good plant!

What is in the Strange Brew? I think you posted what it was the other day. Upright growth pattern is a good indicator of indica influence from what I have seen. I like skunk.

I have the Early skunk x Lebanese and Sterling Skunk IBL going. Hope to find some males to clear out and get the Sterling Skunk more light. The Early skunk x Lebanese already showed preflowers and pulled a few males so the females are out in good light right now!


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pipeline

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well waiting for things to dry up isn't working out like I hoped.

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and you can tell, just by the smell, I garden near the creek...

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on the bright side I'm glad I've been working off site on others farms now and the new mounds are draining well and the starts are growing good at my homie's legal 12-ish.

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#ChunkyTek soil prep FTW

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Go ahead and get your drainage channels cut, you just need a little groove for the water to go. Make sure it has a slight grade to it so the water moves.

I have to dig these channels to move water away from the edge of the garden. Puddling water is really bad for the plants and will KILL roots, and eventually kill the plants.

A better option in my opinion especially on wet years like this is make the garden one big mound, like mine is, so the water moves off the garden. Those areas in between the small mounds is still utilized by the roots, so it need so it would be better if it was drained too. Channels will draw water and choke out roots instead of having a one big broad mound garden where roots can roam free. More roots more flower! :smoke:
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pipeline

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*TRIPPING BACK IN TIME*
Hello friends, today I pick up where I had to stop last season. I started my studies of the chemical signaling/communications between (Dark Septate Endophytes) of (Mycelium) and the cohabitation of fungal repositories and exudates which scrub/clean nutrients off of microbes with Super Oxides before they are released back into the soil to rebuild the cell wall and gather nutrients again.

There is three types of trees that have been shown to communicate with Mycelium. What could the medical benefits be if Mycelium and cannabis could share chemical compounds? 🤔 I am working with what everyone is familiar with as Magic Mushrooms 🍄

I'm working with a spore provider here in the States and a very accomplished mushroom grower who is a friend. Last season I did run two batches of shrooms on my own. While I did get a small pathetic harvest for my first times. I'm fine with letting people who know what they're doing, Do It!

I have used multiple types of spores and have left two bags, one Lebanese x Auto Malawi f1's and one bag of Highland Nepalese Grape x Auto Zamaldelica f1's as control bags only receiving fungal repository feedings. Three of the four parental donors have been tested with HPLC equipment by Ace Seeds. This goes a long way to have a baseline as I don't have in State testing available to me.

Each bag other than the two control bags which received bananas only. The other 17 bags each received a full syringe of Mycelium Spores. The Spores take about two weeks to start forming colonies before they start forming fruit.
This should start about the same time these plants enter into flowering. I will do another inoculation about a month before harvest. The potential is exciting, can the effects if any be measured in a tangible ways? My hopes and prayers are for those suffering from PTSD, Bi-polar syndrome and Depression.
Doing a few bong rips and having a lysergic type experience for the recreational crowd would be fun for them as well.

Will these compounds be passed on through filial generations in seed form or will each plant need individual inoculations? I thank God for the time I have now being disabled to find these things out.

The Fungal Repositories really is the best environment I ever could have invisioned for this type of study. I hope you find what I'm doing interesting or at least entertaining.
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pipeline

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Interesting hypothesis and experiment! Will be watching closely, but I hypothesize there won't be any compounds which are able to enter the plant through the roots. There is a possibility you could spray some of these medicinal mushroom compounds on the plants foliage to be absorbed and taken up, but not through the roots due to the Casperian Strip.

My Planty Anatomy Botany professor would often emphasize the casperian strip's ability to exclude compounds foreign to the plant. If the compound is too large to be absorbed by the cell and travel in a symplastic pathway (through the cells) it will be excluded from the root.

Most compounds other than mineral ions are going to be too large to move into the cells and will be excluded from what I understand.

I was trying to grasp why you were putting food into your growing mix the other day. Now I understand your hypothesis and experiment!

Doesn't hurt to try I guess. Like I said, may do some foliar sprays if the goal is to get the compounds to enter the plant. They can enter through stomata I think. :smoke:



Casparian Strip Functions​


Plants need water and minerals to perform photosynthesis and prepare food for their survival. These substances are absorbed by the plant’s roots, and then travel inwards from the root surface to the vascular cylinder, from where they travel upwards via the xylem (a type of transportation tissue). These substances travel from the root surface to the vascular cylinder in two ways – apoplastic and symplastic pathways.


An apoplastic pathway is when water and the substances dissolved in it travels from the spaces in the cell wall of one cell to the cell wall of another, without ever entering any cell. The symplastic pathway is when these substances travel from the cytoplasm (material inside cells) of one cell to the cytoplasm of another, through its plasma membrane.


When substances travel inwards from the root epidermis through the cortex, and finally arrive at the endodermis, they encounter the Casparian strip. Since it is an impermeable thickening in the cell wall, it stops materials from traveling through it, thus terminating the apoplastic pathway. Thus, it forces all substances to pass through the cytoplasm by the symplastic pathway. This is very important for the plant, as the cell wall cannot control the type and amount of substances passing through it, but the plasma membrane can. So, by forcing substances to shift from the apoplastic to the symplastic pathway, the Casparian strip allows the plant to control how much water and minerals it absorbs from the soil.


There is also another method, called ‘active transport’, by which minerals are transported from the soil into the vascular cylinder, in opposition to their concentration gradient. This means that, contrary to the normal process of diffusion by which salts move from an area of higher concentration (soil) to an area of lower concentration (root), this pathway brings salts into the root irrespective of where their concentration is higher. So, in conjunction with the Casparian strip, this pathway causes a buildup of salts inside the vascular cylinder, since once they are inside the cylinder, the impermeable strip prevents them from flowing back out. This high salt content of the vascular cylinder encourages the flow of more water from the soil into it, by osmosis. Thus, the Casparian strip maximizes the absorption of water from the soil.



The Casparian strip creates a barrier to harmful chemicals, like herbicides, which cannot pass through it. Without this strip, such chemicals would have spread throughout the plant via the xylem, thus killing it. It also prevents harmful microbes from gaining entry into the plant and causing infections.


To conclude, it can be said that the Casparian strip is a thickening in parts of the endodermal cell wall, which helps regulate the absorption of water and nutrients from the soil, and also plays an active role in the defense of the plant. However, there are a lot of things about its structure and function that we do not know as yet.

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The Casperian Strip develops in the endodermis in the non growing part of the root several millimeters behind the root tip, and there is more absorbtion in the root tip apex (meristem) where some larger mineral ions can enter such as Ca+, but I think the other large compouds are excluded unless they they can't enter a root cell and travel through the symplastic pathway into the vascular system of the root.

The casperian strip also is a barrier to infection/ invasion by pathogens, but is not as effective as other methods of defense the plant has since pathogens can enter leaves and other tissues directly.

What compounds specifically are you interested in gathering into the plant? Just the psylosibin?

Been having a good time combing through the textbooks and online info. Hope the info was helpful. Test the hypothesis! :smoke:
 

farmerlion

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Pipeline, yes just the psylosibin. The Exudates create superoxides that eat the cell walls of the microbes, so I don't know which chemical compounds can be taken up, and or survive this (digestive) act? While the microbes are scrubbed and released, the scientist that inspired me only found 3 threes that took up the psylosibin, and he didn't follow to percentages of uptake on that it happened.

So it certainly leaves the door open to peak through. I could inject the next inoculations directly into the meristems themselves. Most of mine because of the high rate of transpiration are hollow and not pith filled.
I worry about introducing what for all purposes is a cancer into a sealed clean environment of the meristem. So I think for this season I will do one more soil inoculation about 3 weeks before harvest.

Here's some pictures the first two of individual bags are of 5 week old plants in the first bag in front is a 3 week old plant sharing the bag.
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farmerlion

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So Sorry, Pipeline I read your reply and thought I was in my thread, sorry for posting here brother.
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pipeline

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Pipeline, yes just the psylosibin. The Exudates create superoxides that eat the cell walls of the microbes, so I don't know which chemical compounds can be taken up, and or survive this (digestive) act? While the microbes are scrubbed and released, the scientist that inspired me only found 3 threes that took up the psylosibin, and he didn't follow to percentages of uptake on that it happened.

So it certainly leaves the door open to peak through. I could inject the next inoculations directly into the meristems themselves. Most of mine because of the high rate of transpiration are hollow and not pith filled.
I worry about introducing what for all purposes is a cancer into a sealed clean environment of the meristem. So I think for this season I will do one more soil inoculation about 3 weeks before harvest.

Here's some pictures the first two of individual bags are of 5 week old plants in the first bag in front is a 3 week old plant sharing the bag.
What is the exudate from, is that the mushroom exudate you are referring to which was put into the syringes?

How do you do the innoculations? Soil drench, syringe with needle? Please explain the experiment or link to the text. Thanks!

What did the scientist do before hand, what did he find? What did he find 3 of that took up the psylisybin? What type of plant?
 

pipeline

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Smackers looks like a promising hybrid for outdoor growing! Being a cross of Guerilla Glue 4, must be pretty good flower!

The Jungle Boys cut actually came from ICMAG member Treetroit City! :smoke:







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Relentless Genetics' Rozay Description​


Logo Relentless Genetics Relentless Genetics Rozay Rozay is a cross that helped put Relentless Genetics on the map. Relentless made Rozay years ago when hitting Sunset Sherbet with a colorful Purple Bomb stud. Relentless Genetics made Purple Bomb by hitting a unique purple diesel clone with heath Robinsons black rose. The mix of purple bomb and sherbet made something truly unique, terps hidden in the genetics came out, especially from the purple diesel grandmother. Medical users have described rozays smell and taste as the most unique they have ever had, saying she smelled like cream, berry fruit rollup, red wine, and reminded them on the flintstone vitamins they ate when they were children. Rozay isn’t the most potent, some phenos test at 16% while others will be in the mid 20%s, but where she lacks in potency she makes up in unique flavors. Rozay is a staple for Relentless Genetics and will be used in the future.
 

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Well my grows gonna suck. I was a week late, but having moved, my cuts now take twice as long. 3 weeks late, mid June. Suddenly a million jobs to do, and baking weather, so I gave most away. Then last week, it rained, so I got out there with the remaining 8, out of about 30 I started with. Terrible.
My best kept patch was 5 foot tall nettles and thistles, so I know it's doing well. Around it was quite bare. I also moved onto some new ground. A good few acres I have watched for 7 or 8 years. I switched from blood fish and bone, to a slow release with good N and K, with fair P. Nothing to show but 12" sticks really. I will go out in a couple of weeks with a range of potions n lotions, and see how they are doing.

In better news, I remembered to cover myself with fly repellent. Drank lots, and made my 6000 steps.
The weather has dropped from the high 20s to the high teens, with rain most days. It's what I want while they get some roots down. Also, the surface dressed slow release must get some rain. It's another week till it gets back to summer conditions.
 

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Cute happy little baby chicks there! Starting to grow!

Who is the breeder of the strawberry banana? Sounds like a winner. Fruit seems to be a refreshing terpene profile. I may have some that are similar. Thanks for sharing, El Mani! :smoke:
Hey pipe, DNA reserva privada,
Crockett's Banana Kush x Serious S. Bubble Gum from first releases, very tasty
 

Hombre del mont

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My potted plants have been sexed, and males were thrown away.
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Zacatecas Tribute @Hombre del mont
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(X18 x PTK) x Uzbekistan @Mustafunk
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Clementina (clone)
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Burret 🤣
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Have a nice day
Looking good my friend. Very good.
All the Zacs that I've seen have those lovely purple petioles and stems. And those lovely India leaves! I'm looking forward to doing something similar in late winter and force flowering late spring.😉
I don't know Clementina, but she's looking very bushy. I'll look her up after my siesta. (I'm wiped out from the beach! 😂).
You have a good day too primo
 

pipeline

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Looking great! All special plants, I like that burret in the concrete container! Looks almost like hen and chicks sempervivum.

The (X18 x PTK) x Uzbekistan sounds like a promising hybrid! Should get a well rounded indica out of that one! How is the vigor? Looks like its moving along well! Internodes are quite short! Are they still under lights indoors sometimes or are they outside full time now?

Clementina is bursting at the seams, about to show what she can do! Lots of branches moving on that one!
 

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CSI Humbolt interview part 1 has been posted by @Heavy Dayze to The Potcast Patreon.

At about the 39 minute mark, Heavy asks if there are any specific traits a male passes on. Kaleb said its real variable. He sent plants in to Phylos for testing the genetic stability in an S1 project, and was saying which male you choose is essential to what progeny turns out and the stability of the line.

My take away message is that it may be best to choose stable robust males, rather than use a mixture of a large number of males when trying to work a line to improve it and get a result that has stability. :smoke:

Looked at the rain gauge in the garden and there was 3 inches in there since thursday! No need to water this week! Been in an interesting pattern with lots of severe thunderstorms. The plants have been standing up surprisingly well. They got a good start and are rooted in deep, most of them are staying standing up and need no help! Had to use soil to prop up a few.

Looking for preflowers, but its still a few days from being able to see most of them. I got another male culled of the Early skunk x Lebs which showed early. They now have plenty of space to fill in! The big Uzbekistani is female! Also saw one or 2 of the big DC x Blueberry is female. Also the Champion Sativa Candy Chunk is pretty certain a male clear to see when light was good. Have a big DC x Las Vegas PurpleKush x Hindu Kush female.

Waiting patiently to get the males culled. More will show in the next few days with the sun and heat returning!

Have an update on the way :smoke:

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A couple plants are up to right at 4 ft! Most are around waist height. Here's a couple more shots, will sort out and post the rest soon. :smoke:

Paradise Cheese x Lebanese in the front of the garden branching out! :smoke:

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PTK is doing great. One is about waist height, the others are shorter kind if being shaded somewhat by other plants. They are IBL so I should have expected slower growth. When males are removed they should get some light and hopefully get a chance.

Have to organize the garden better next time. Wondering if I even want to mess with growing Deep Chunk because its even slower from what I understand. I need hybrids that perform rather than focusing IBL preservation work. I don't really have enough light. Light is good once the plants get tall enough, so if they are slow growing, they may not perform as well.

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Happy Independence Day! Celebrating liberty by getting the update finished and will be getting some work done on the veggies today. So glad to live in a country with people who value freedom so much, they put it their entire livelihood on the line. Its an honorable legacy, lay down your life so you can take it again. With God's help, you can play a big role in helping others and make this a better place to live! God Bless America!

Going to smoke a bit more today to celebrate! I better get smoking, I only have a couple more months until the new harvest comes in, I need to sort through all this flower for good pheno seed to plant. I will get it done! :smoke:

Hopefully will find more preflowers today. Would be good to open things up. Several of the bigger plants were showing primordia a couple days ago, and they should more clear today. I cut my fingernails, and it was a mistake to do this time of year, because I am using that pinky nail to inspect preflowers. Oh well, I can make it work. Need to write that on the calender or something. Do not clip nails in July. :smoke:

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Sterling Skunk IBL-- few small ones looking for light, but they are on the edge so should still have good representation and produce seed :smoke:

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I don't know Clementina, but she's looking very bushy. I'll look her up after my siesta.
You won't find her mate haha it's just a CBD#1 plant from ace seeds I selected last year, to make edibles and topical products with. The strain name is pretty lame so I just named her Clementina because that's what she smells and tastes like.

The (X18 x PTK) x Uzbekistan sounds like a promising hybrid! Should get a well rounded indica out of that one! How is the vigor?
That plant in particular is not the most vigorous, but it was the only female I got from the 3 seeds I popped. It does look a little bit like Gimli, squat and thiccc, with hairy armpits.
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I have a younger female in the tomato field and it does look a lot more vigorous.

Looks like its moving along well! Internodes are quite short! Are they still under lights indoors sometimes or are they outside full time now?
They stay outside now, I just have a little lightbulb that turns on 1 hour every night to break their sleep cycle and prevent them from flowering.

That male looks excellent by the way.
 

Ca++

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Is it too late. That's what some are thinking. Where I am in the UK, my season usually ends with rain around the 5th-10th of September. Just over 9 weeks from now. So we are well timed for Auto's still. Down south some semi's are still viable. However traditional photo plants are a bit late to be germinating.

Your conditions (and opinions) will differ. I'm looking at nights below 10 and days that don't get past 14, when them early September rains bring a threat. Rain that advances losses to mold, ahead of advances in new bud growth. A net loss. Besides which, I like to chop at the end of August for the best smoke. The cold temperatures of September are not palatable. It's like smoking old bones. Someone explained why once, but I forget. Hard black ash, like it's full of feed or sugars. The difference is everything. Though some people leave them weeks (even months) longer.
 

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