Zamaldelica - The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

thx Randy

zamalthai x haze sounds like a great cross! does the haze smell/taste come through in this one? of the different zamal x nevils haze i tried none had classic haze smells, best plants for me were the "spicy" zamal pheno, preferred these ones to the mango-carrot type by far...

i hear you on the patience required for a good cure, not always easy to raise it - especially when it smells good early on

good vibes

Greetings,

Sideshow-Bob - Really nice looking job you are doing with the Zamal x Neville's Haze.

RandyCalifornia - Glad to hear that the Zamal line is still showing top shelf qualities on the next cross. I like that the plant you are curing stayed within the bounds of sativa greats like Thai and Haze. Sounds perfect. Do you know if there was any line breeding for the Zamal x Thai, before it was crossed to the Haze?

My Zamaldelica is dry enough to smoke. It went into a jar this week. I have been working long hours lately, so it will be another week at least before I can feel safe to try it. In the meantime, I'm assuming great quality, and trying a Zamaldelica crossed with a Malawi from a friend who reports the Malawi selection to be an extremely energetic, and describes it with comparisons to cocaine. It is almost ready for the flowering cabinet:

The picture does not do it justice as far as the golden yellow green glow it has, especially the meristems.


ThaiBliss

 

[RandyCalifornia]

zamalthai x haze sounds like a great cross! does the haze smell/taste come through in this one?

Yes, the Haze smell is all I get from it, no carrot or mango from the Zamal and no sweetness from the Meao Thai. It's one of those with thick smoke that is very fragrant and fills the room but when you put your nose to the bud, it smells light and hazy. I have another small plant coming down that I plant to put in a jar for at least a few weeks to cure and then I'll be able to tell more about the flavors and smells.

RandyCalifornia - Glad to hear that the Zamal line is still showing top shelf qualities on the next cross. I like that the plant you are curing stayed within the bounds of sativa greats like Thai and Haze. Sounds perfect. Do you know if there was any line breeding for the Zamal x Thai, before it was crossed to the Haze?

Yes it is, I even have F2 seedlings started. It just takes so damn long before things are ready. I wish I had been growing these seeds 20-30 years ago, I'd really have a handle on em, like Sideshow. The best plant is a very thin leaved dwarf that takes forever to veg and mature.
The Zamal Thai was from Ace so Dubi would know more about the breeding. VanVulpen crossed it with Nevil's Haze and TomHill males.

Wow I hope that makes sense to you guy's, cause I'm floatingly, tripping, through the morning after smoking a tester of Charlie's Culebra Roja. I can feel the rush of the Colombian over and over while I am floating on a layer of Oaxacan and my eyes are laser beams.
Oh and any expert(Sideshow-Bob) tips on fast vegging a bunch of shorty Zamal Haze plants would be greatly appreciated. I moved north with my sativa seeds at the end of the 70's where they went bad after I found all the great landrace indica up here. So the last real crop of sativas I ever did was back in 78, Gold Colombian Here's a couple of pics of em. Sorry for the quality but they are old photo's

They got so tall you had to get on the roof to really see em.

 

[mayan]

Wow, RC!! Whew!

 

[bwoyrude]

sorry for offtop
In your opinion, connoisseurs, - what works best for zamaldelica and and other ace sativa FIM or TOP ?
The setup is DR100 growtent(1-1-2m) 400-600 MHL/HID. 3l pots for veg and 11l pots for bloom ... gonna raise 9-10 bushes.
Unfortunately, I've experience only with LST training on standard hybrids

 

[MostlyMe]

With that amount of bushes you could do a nice comparison for us all: top a few and fim a few I don't think it will make much of a difference, though.

I've always preferred fimming myself, but that is mostly due to height constraints.

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

Yes, the Haze smell is all I get from it, no carrot or mango from the Zamal and no sweetness from the Meao Thai. It's one of those with thick smoke that is very fragrant and fills the room but when you put your nose to the bud, it smells light and hazy. I have another small plant coming down that I plant to put in a jar for at least a few weeks to cure and then I'll be able to tell more about the flavors and smells.



Yes it is, I even have F2 seedlings started. It just takes so damn long before things are ready. I wish I had been growing these seeds 20-30 years ago, I'd really have a handle on em, like Sideshow. The best plant is a very thin leaved dwarf that takes forever to veg and mature.
The Zamal Thai was from Ace so Dubi would know more about the breeding. VanVulpen crossed it with Nevil's Haze and TomHill males.

Wow I hope that makes sense to you guy's, cause I'm floatingly, tripping, through the morning after smoking a tester of Charlie's Culebra Roja. I can feel the rush of the Colombian over and over while I am floating on a layer of Oaxacan and my eyes are laser beams.
Oh and any expert(Sideshow-Bob) tips on fast vegging a bunch of shorty Zamal Haze plants would be greatly appreciated. I moved north with my sativa seeds at the end of the 70's where they went bad after I found all the great landrace indica up here. So the last real crop of sativas I ever did was back in 78, Gold Colombian Here's a couple of pics of em. Sorry for the quality but they are old photo's
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They got so tall you had to get on the roof to really see em.
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fantastic colombians you grew there Randy, i love the old school pictures sorry to hear you couldn't flower them out all the way, but better safe than sorry!

thanks for the description of the ZamalHaze x Thai aromas, sounds like it's right up my alley.

and thanks for the compliment, but i'm by no means an expert... more like an enthusiast kaiki, dubi and others are the experts, i try to take in as much of their knowledge as i can!

if you want to keep zamals small, you have to flower them right away after rooting and you will still have to tie them down

good vibes

 

[BoldAsLove]

Hello everybody. Hi Thaibliss, great thread!

Here are some pics of the Zamaldelica I finished in November:

Of the thirteen females, I wound up with the following experiences:

#s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 13 had a darker terpene profile, including that trifoliate in the center: oil, earth, and a generic sweetness. #3 had extreme terpene density. It made me feel slightly nauseous for the first two months of curing. The smell is all oil. The other terpenes are WAY back in the mix compared to the smell of recycled motor oil.

#s 8,9, and 10 had mango carrot profiles.

#11 I can only assume is a dead ringer for Meao Thai: tangy orange, wood, and infertile earth with the longest fan leaves I've seen thus far. Also had the highest yield.

#s 7 and 12 had mango, floral profiles that sting the eyes and nose bad when ground (ZERO EARTH). I wound up selecting number 12, and when I eat some young shoots after topping the mom, it burns the mouth and throat like some very spicy arugula. This isn't the same as the other moms I selected (11, 5, 3)

#s 7, 8, 9, and 10 all autoflowered in the mom box. (18/6)

Now for the effects...I selected the moms based on their effects, having no ceiling, and potency. Except number 5 which was a potent early finishing plant with a more mango-ish oil smell and a ceiling.

#11 is the most euphoric weed I have had the privilege to smoke at this point in my life. I was a SoCal med patient for a while and never experienced this revitalizing feeling while there. It seems no matter what my mood was before I smoke, it always comes through positive on the other side. It's very clear with no negative impact on movement. In high doses with a small tolerance break (12 - 15 hrs) I get a lot of peripheral distortions and things become very funny! Colors and sounds are greatly enhanced, and improvising music feels transcendental.

#12 is unlike anything I've had before. It brings on so much energy to both the mind and body. It has some euphoria but is very energetic, up and spacey so the euphoria can be overlooked easily. In high doses you continue to get the same effects, but more amplified until you finally reach a point where everything looks fuzzy and seems to lose such sharp borders. Colors really stand out and seem to change their hue slightly, giving everything a carnival vibe--think clear iridescent bulbs and bright colors. I've had very differing experiences with #12 from emotional introspection to full on giggling to staring at the christmas lights because they look cool. Really seems that set and setting make a big difference, and it could be very helpful to souls struggling with something internally.

#3 is up, foggy, relaxed, and comfortable. In high doses I've had focused vision distortions where shapes slightly move before your eyes. It's a general morphing and unstable nature of the most symmetrical things especially squares and rectangles. After a night of smoking #3, and eating a piece of Zamaldelica infused banana bread, when I closed my eyes for bed, I had full on 3D visualizations that changed into whatever they pleased. The colors were not matching to the objects, they seemed to be constantly changing. I had no control of what they were turning into and it felt a little uncomfortable at first until I let go.

These effects are after about 3.5 months of curing. I have a sample of most plants curing until the 6 month mark which will be around 4/20. Can't wait!!

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

Hello everybody. Hi Thaibliss, great thread!

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Of the thirteen females, I wound up with the following experiences:

#s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 13 had a darker terpene profile, including that trifoliate in the center: oil, earth, and a generic sweetness. #3 had extreme terpene density. It made me feel slightly nauseous for the first two months of curing. The smell is all oil. The other terpenes are WAY back in the mix compared to the smell of recycled motor oil.

#s 8,9, and 10 had mango carrot profiles.

#11 I can only assume is a dead ringer for Meao Thai: tangy orange, wood, and infertile earth with the longest fan leaves I've seen thus far. Also had the highest yield.

#s 7 and 12 had mango, floral profiles that sting the eyes and nose bad when ground (ZERO EARTH). I wound up selecting number 12, and when I eat some young shoots after topping the mom, it burns the mouth and throat like some very spicy arugula. This isn't the same as the other moms I selected (11, 5, 3)

#s 7, 8, 9, and 10 all autoflowered in the mom box. (18/6)

Now for the effects...I selected the moms based on their effects, having no ceiling, and potency. Except number 5 which was a potent early finishing plant with a more mango-ish oil smell and a ceiling.

#11 is the most euphoric weed I have had the privilege to smoke at this point in my life. I was a SoCal med patient for a while and never experienced this revitalizing feeling while there. It seems no matter what my mood was before I smoke, it always comes through positive on the other side. It's very clear with no negative impact on movement. In high doses with a small tolerance break (12 - 15 hrs) I get a lot of peripheral distortions and things become very funny! Colors and sounds are greatly enhanced, and improvising music feels transcendental.

#12 is unlike anything I've had before. It brings on so much energy to both the mind and body. It has some euphoria but is very energetic, up and spacey so the euphoria can be overlooked easily. In high doses you continue to get the same effects, but more amplified until you finally reach a point where everything looks fuzzy and seems to lose such sharp borders. Colors really stand out and seem to change their hue slightly, giving everything a carnival vibe--think clear iridescent bulbs and bright colors. I've had very differing experiences with #12 from emotional introspection to full on giggling to staring at the christmas lights because they look cool. Really seems that set and setting make a big difference, and it could be very helpful to souls struggling with something internally.

#3 is up, foggy, relaxed, and comfortable. In high doses I've had focused vision distortions where shapes slightly move before your eyes. It's a general morphing and unstable nature of the most symmetrical things especially squares and rectangles. After a night of smoking #3, and eating a piece of Zamaldelica infused banana bread, when I closed my eyes for bed, I had full on 3D visualizations that changed into whatever they pleased. The colors were not matching to the objects, they seemed to be constantly changing. I had no control of what they were turning into and it felt a little uncomfortable at first until I let go.

These effects are after about 3.5 months of curing. I have a sample of most plants curing until the 6 month mark which will be around 4/20. Can't wait!!

fantastic first post BoldAsLove!

welcome to ic

great to see such a detailed report on the different expressions of the zamaldelica... #11 would have been my keeper too from what you write, i love euphoric sativas!

i hope you stick around and am looking forward to see more posts from you

good vibes

 

[ThaiBliss]

BoldAsLove,

Thanks for the detailed report. Excellent descriptions of what your experiences were.

Your #12 report reminds me of Thai Stick the most, with overpowering edgy energy, too much for most, but euphoric to me none the less. The fuzzy/colorful visuals are spot on Thai from what I remember. I swear the impressionistic painters were Thai Stick smokers. Thai could also be very introspective, depending on mood. State of mind when smoking varies the experience greatly. I have one Zamaldelica curing right now, and I'm hoping for a #12 experience. I have Oaxacan for the extra euphoria to mix it with, to make it perfect, like the best Haze.


Great Job,

ThaiBliss

 

[BoldAsLove]

Sideshow-Bob,

thank you very much for the welcome, it's appreciated! I love your thread on Haze, Oldtimer's Haze will be my next project and I also have Tom's and Flying Dutchmen's Haze for the future, so it has been a great read on top of the other great Haze reads here at IC.

ThaiBliss,

I hope you get exactly what you're looking for in your Zamaldelica. I hope many people get the chance to experience it!! #12 actually had only modest vigor compared to the insane vigor of almost all the other plants. It was one of the slowest plants in all phases of growth, from germination until the end. It probably would have been about a 2.5 foot tall bush of tops if I hadn't tied it under the screen. Perhaps too much nitrogen in it's early life stunted it, or perhaps genetics?? BTW, I can't wait to hear how the Nanan-Bouclou turns out

My setup from this run was:

10 sq. ft.

400w Advanced LED (2x100, 1x200)--they contain 11 different wavelengths with varying amounts of chipsets per length: 760nm, 740nm, 720nm, 660nm, 630nm, 615nm-480nm, 460nm, 440nm, 415nm, 380nm

~100w ZooMed Reptisun 10.0 (70% blue, 20% UVA, 10% UVB)

Organic soil: about 90% was recycled, and about 10% was unused that contained Happy Frog as a base, EWC, N & P guanos (more P than N), kelp meal, glacial rock dust, rock phosphate, azomite, volcanic rock, and perlite. The original soil mix was used for hungry hybrids with success.

The plants started 12/12 in solo cups. When all plants began stretch (about 5 weeks from sprout) they went into 2 gallon fabric pots. After stretch, they were transplanted to 3 gallon fabric pots where they would remain. Unproductive branches were pruned. When a little premature yellowing showed up, I fed a small amount of homemade FPEs.

A little about the pics I posted before--the pics under the LED spectrum are at 8 weeks of flower, and the "daylight" pic is about 14 weeks. I count flower period from the beginning of stretch.

#s 5 and 6 were cut around week 14.

Everything else was cut from the end of week 15 through the beginning of week 17. Most plants had a small amount of amber trichromes, maybe 5% at the most with a couple exceptions.

Thank you to everyone at Ace for your work on this wonderful cross

 

[idiit]

there is no doubt that zamaldelica is comprised of some fantastic landrace sativas and many phenotypes coming out of zamaldelica offer tremendous in line breeding and hybrid opportunities.

with many/most of the world's cannabis grows going indoors with indica dominate indoor seedstock ace, cannabiogen and other breeders as well have enabled us to pursue the superior highs, potency, duration of high and resistance to tolerance build up issues the elite landrace sativas offer as an option.

although golden tiger is for the most part a narcotic dominate high , she offers a narcotic high that is superior in quality to any other narcotic high i've encountered. combined with gerrit's zamal the options are even more diverse and rewarding.

 

[de145]

Good thread, so much information here as always ThaiBliss. I too value the quality of the effect far more than the yield or in fact any other aspect of the plant.

I think there is a great group of like minded sativa lovers here and I'm starting to see them in all the same threads I'm interested in. Some of the best people on this forum for helpful and thoughtful information.

I'll try to contribute something possibly useful:

One thing I noticed looking at the pics and hearing the descriptions of the effects is some of you seem to be harvesting really really late in maturity, possibly beyond ripe into "rotten" territory if you think of the resin glands as the "fruit" of the harvest.

In my experience I think you lose very substantial potency and effect if you go beyond half dead pistils and end up with a strong THC breakdown into CBN high which is always easy to detect: bleary eyes, tired feeling, confusion, listlessness, brain fog -- a classic "dirty" high.

I first got on to this when I noticed that quick dried "early" samples of just about everything I was growing were far more potent than the final harvest.

I have an ACE Panama keeper pheno that is almost the strongest thing I've ever smoked for pure potency. One time, before I got into test sample harvests, I let it go an extra month back in the day because so many people on the Panama message board stated much longer bloom times than I typically would do just for a test and it was one of the worst things I ever smoked: bleary eyed, weak, tiring, sleepy - garbage.

If that had been my first grow ever of it I would have concluded it was crap and ditched the mom.

If you let it go too long and overfeed many sativaswill start foxtailing or putting on more stacks on top of earlier bud which *will* then have a more powerful, clean effect, however you still end up with a lot of bad CBN resin from the older glands inside those fresher buds so you don't end up with a nice clean effect when you break it up and smoke it.

With all the time and work required to grow a good Sativa I think it's a crime to take it too long and lose the whole reason for growing a Sativa in the first place. You can get a bleary break-down CBN with a lot less effort using an Indica.

If you are not smoking test samples early and often throughout bloom and keeping records you're possibly cheating yourself of a fantastic experience.

In my setup I've consistently noticed with Ace sativas (and other strains wildly different) that the resin glands show the peak ripeness when they are fully plump, standing erect, and just barely turning from clear to showing a slight haze. The pistils are usually around half white/green and half dead looking. I can always tell when they are going beyond and the plant has passed peak ripeness when I start to see resin glands starting to shrivel and bend over and this is often before they fully show colour or frostiness.

Smoke test back this up in my setup (LED modular SCROG), it's the only way really to be sure I think.

I look forward to your smoke report TB!

 

[Terpene]

One thing I noticed looking at the pics and hearing the descriptions of the effects is some of you seem to be harvesting really really late in maturity, possibly beyond ripe into "rotten" territory if you think of the resin glands as the "fruit" of the harvest.

In my experience I think you lose very substantial potency and effect if you go beyond half dead pistils and end up with a strong THC breakdown into CBN high which is always easy to detect: bleary eyes, tired feeling, confusion, listlessness, brain fog -- a classic "dirty" high.

Not to start a fight, but I have yet to have this problem and every plant I run rolls till the pistils completely die back. In my experience the opposite has been true - the skinnier the leaf, the more intense the high with longer maturation times.

I also cut lowers off each plant (also sometimes accidentally top colas ) and test throughout development. In nearly every instance, live hairs on the plant = more energy at the expense of the "profound-ness" of the high, if that even makes sense.

Of course, some people only associate sativas with a caffeinated, overly jittery, ADD experience - and those people are the ones who advocate pulling em early.

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

Not to start a fight, but I have yet to have this problem and every plant I run rolls till the pistils completely die back. In my experience the opposite has been true - the skinnier the leaf, the more intense the high with longer maturation times.

I also cut lowers off each plant (also sometimes accidentally top colas ) and test throughout development. In nearly every instance, live hairs on the plant = more energy at the expense of the "profound-ness" of the high, if that even makes sense.

Of course, some people only associate sativas with a caffeinated, overly jittery, ADD experience - and those people are the ones who advocate pulling em early.

+1

in my experience early picked sativas give a generic up-high (too stimulating for my liking), properly matured sativas on the other hand have a very strong, unique character...

 

[de145]

Not to start a fight, but I have yet to have this problem and every plant I run rolls till the pistils completely die back. In my experience the opposite has been true - the skinnier the leaf, the more intense the high with longer maturation times.

No worries, I wouldn't fight about this stuff at all, ever. There is far too much variability in everything we all do to call someone wrong or right about just about anything and of course personal preference is the most important factor when growing for yourself.

Maybe it's an LED thing or something specific to my setup but I've definitely found from personal experience the opposite to what you say with BangiHaze, Panama, VietnamBlackxThai, Nepalese Jam and Orient Express just to mention ACE strains I've grown and noted this with, it applies to others as well.

A late harvest when the hairs are all dead to me is a dull smoke, unlively and not very unique since every late harvest Indica has the exact same effect for the most part.

I don't agree with everything Ed Rosenthal says, but he also advocates looking for 50/50 stigmas to judge harvest (which I had always heard from older growers but used to think was too simplistic).

I also recently read a study that was done by painstakingly extracting resin from individual glands with a needle and running them through a liquid chromatograph something or another device and they found a profound drop off in THC percentage just after the resin glands showed any sign of coloration from crystal clear.

Found it:
http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html
Interesting reading in there.

Of course, some people only associate sativas with a caffeinated, overly jittery, ADD experience - and those people are the ones who advocate pulling em early.

I've seen exactly the opposite advocated for just that scenario here and everywhere else, are you sure you don't have that backwards?

I can't ever recall someone suggesting an early harvest is *less* racy.

Countless times I've seen people advocate a later harvest to people that find a strain too racy. (which I strongly disagree with if they are advocating waiting until the resin glands are all withered and brown / amber which I've also seen countless times.)

I wonder if you guys are finding a well rounded high to include a high percentage of CBN?

 

[Terpene]

A late harvest when the hairs are all dead to me is a dull smoke, unlively and not very unique since every late harvest Indica has the exact same effect for the most part.

Like I said, some prefer the overly caffinated experience, but I have to wonder how far you're taking these things when you refer to covered in amber. I rarely say to let them amber over (in the case of Zamaldelica I suggested it because the high is NUTS), typically 25%-40% amber is more than enough in just about any situation.

You may be right about LEDs. Something interesting I've noticed in my setup - the plants don't amber as readily under the LED. Actually, I've seen this in every LED setup I've seen come to think of it. Under CFLs I used to get ambering at the longer ends of flowering times; if a strain was a 12-14 week, I would see ambers starting to show around 13.5 weeks. With LED I don't see any amber, despite pushing longer than ever. Typically my trichs are cloudy/clear when the plants are pulled which is why I use stigma development for a gauge of when to kill em.

Here's a Zamaldelica at both 13.5 and 17 weeks. At 17 it has no amber, all of the hairs are dead and is what I consider to be completely finished. This plant at 12 and 14 weeks was way too energetic, speedy and uncomfortable. With additional time it became more deeply moving, trippy and psychedelic. Neither harvest time is really "wrong" - but the experience is subjective and for those looking for the trippy effects are going to have a different harvest window than those looking for the energetic effect.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Harvest Window

Harvest Window

Greetings,

I find myself about smack in the middle of what I would say are the extremes of the harvest window debate. In general, I harvest when about half glands are cloudy and I can find a very slight scattering of amber. I do think that the growing conditions can greatly change the harvest window, and we all could be correct for the conditions that we are growing under, and the effects that we want. I always felt the most trippy effects are associated with a bit of a breathtaking rush, which is too much for most folks. A trippy profound feeling is not "comfortable" or "relaxing". To me, trippy is different than the head swimming shit faced blurry feelings of less clean harvest windows or strains. Trippy is enhanced perceptions, not muddled thinking. In the words of the Dude: Well, that's just my opinion man!


For my one Zamaldelica, I started harvesting lower buds at 8 weeks, and finished the rest at 9 weeks. When I saw that almost all glands were cloudy, I thought I might of been too late, but was reassured when amber heads were not easy to find. 9 weeks is way earlier than the 12 to 15 weeks I have been hearing. But when I look at the bud pictures, mine were looking almost as ripe as others. I had about 90% dead pistils on the very top buds. The lower buds had 100% dead pistils. I attribute the faster finish with using very low nitrogen, especially at the end. I'll find out soon enough if I harvested well enough.

Thanks,

ThaiBlliss

 

[dubi]

Hello everybody. Hi Thaibliss, great thread!
Of the thirteen females, I wound up with the following experiences:

#s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 13 had a darker terpene profile, including that trifoliate in the center: oil, earth, and a generic sweetness. #3 had extreme terpene density. It made me feel slightly nauseous for the first two months of curing. The smell is all oil. The other terpenes are WAY back in the mix compared to the smell of recycled motor oil.

#s 8,9, and 10 had mango carrot profiles.

#11 I can only assume is a dead ringer for Meao Thai: tangy orange, wood, and infertile earth with the longest fan leaves I've seen thus far. Also had the highest yield.

#s 7 and 12 had mango, floral profiles that sting the eyes and nose bad when ground (ZERO EARTH). I wound up selecting number 12, and when I eat some young shoots after topping the mom, it burns the mouth and throat like some very spicy arugula. This isn't the same as the other moms I selected (11, 5, 3)

#s 7, 8, 9, and 10 all autoflowered in the mom box. (18/6)

Now for the effects...I selected the moms based on their effects, having no ceiling, and potency. Except number 5 which was a potent early finishing plant with a more mango-ish oil smell and a ceiling.

#11 is the most euphoric weed I have had the privilege to smoke at this point in my life. I was a SoCal med patient for a while and never experienced this revitalizing feeling while there. It seems no matter what my mood was before I smoke, it always comes through positive on the other side. It's very clear with no negative impact on movement. In high doses with a small tolerance break (12 - 15 hrs) I get a lot of peripheral distortions and things become very funny! Colors and sounds are greatly enhanced, and improvising music feels transcendental.

#12 is unlike anything I've had before. It brings on so much energy to both the mind and body. It has some euphoria but is very energetic, up and spacey so the euphoria can be overlooked easily. In high doses you continue to get the same effects, but more amplified until you finally reach a point where everything looks fuzzy and seems to lose such sharp borders. Colors really stand out and seem to change their hue slightly, giving everything a carnival vibe--think clear iridescent bulbs and bright colors. I've had very differing experiences with #12 from emotional introspection to full on giggling to staring at the christmas lights because they look cool. Really seems that set and setting make a big difference, and it could be very helpful to souls struggling with something internally.

#3 is up, foggy, relaxed, and comfortable. In high doses I've had focused vision distortions where shapes slightly move before your eyes. It's a general morphing and unstable nature of the most symmetrical things especially squares and rectangles. After a night of smoking #3, and eating a piece of Zamaldelica infused banana bread, when I closed my eyes for bed, I had full on 3D visualizations that changed into whatever they pleased. The colors were not matching to the objects, they seemed to be constantly changing. I had no control of what they were turning into and it felt a little uncomfortable at first until I let go.

Welcome BoldAsLove What a beautiful report and contribution. Sounds like you have found very psychedelic and energetic Zamaldelicas! This is the type of effects i was looking for this cross, and i'm very pleased to hear all your reports about her.

Zamaldelica it's a 3 way poly hybrid so there are always variations between plants. My favourite expression has a refined tropical (mango) aroma with sweet carrot details, with a very strong psychedelic effect that changes completly your perception and boosts your body with lots of energy, feeling almost like levitating without touching the floor

There are earthy Zamaldelicas with not so much refined terpenes (more classic african aroma) but they have the potential to be equally powerful and energetic.

Wish you enjoy with the harvest!

 

[yoss33]

About the early or late harvest, it's obvious that different people perceive the same substances as having different effects. What is for some just caffeinated effect, for others it's more uplifting and intense effect. And what is for some drowsy and dull, for others it's complex and powerful. It's actually great that we can regulate what we get by the timing of harvest, to better suit everyone's own brain chemistry and preferences. And the best of all is to have a stash of both earlier and late harvest, for the different moods and occasions.

 

[MostlyMe]

I look forward to the day when cannabinoid and terpene profiles are linked to certain effects. I agree there is a lot of perception involved, but I do think it will one day be possible to say whether a sample will be narcotic, or clear, or racy, or whatever just by looking at a chemical analysis.