SomeGuy
668, Neighbor of the Beast
Says here that the Tallahassee DA won't prosecute any DEA cases because of their refusal to testify before the grand jury.
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Young Woman Busted for Pot Gets Killed Acting as Police Informant
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SomeGuy
668, Neighbor of the Beast
1 Fired, 4 Suspended In Botched Drug Sting
1 Fired, 4 Suspended In Botched Drug Sting
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n896/a10.html
1 FIRED, 4 SUSPENDED IN BOTCHED DRUG STING
TALLAHASSEE - An investigator was fired Thursday and four other Tallahassee police officers were suspended for two weeks without pay for their roles in a botched drug sting that led to the death of a young informant from Pinellas County.
Additionally, Police Chief Dennis Jones and his top deputy, John Proctor, received formal reprimands.
A grand jury reported Aug. 1 that it found police undercover operations negligent in the shooting death of 23-year-old Rachel Hoffman, who was killed in the aborted sting in early May. Two men - Andrea Green and Deneilo Bradshaw - await trial on first-degree murder charges.
"While we cannot change the events of May 7, we can make the type of changes within the department to help ensure our future actions are consistent with policy," said Jones, who noted violations involving drug buy-and-bust policies as well as the use of cash in such operations.
Hoffman, a graduate of Countryside High School in Clearwater, also had recently graduated from Florida State University. She was arrested on charges of using and selling marijuana and ecstasy. Police said being an informant in the drug investigation was a way for her to avoid prison time.
She was given $13,000 to buy drugs and a gun from suspected dealers at a park in a sting arranged by police. Her body was found two days later in rural Taylor County.
Investigator Ryan Pender was fired while Capt. Chris Connell, Lt. Taltha White and Sgts. Rod Looney and David Odom were suspended.
Jones, who was reprimanded by Tallahassee City Manager Anita Favors Thompson, said the four suspended officers will be reassigned upon their return to work.
The Florida Police Benevolent Association, which represents police officers across the state, said the sanctioned officers all had 15 days to file a grievance over the disciplinary action.
"Let us not forget that these officers have over 80 years of law enforcement experience and exemplary work histories," Big Bend PBA President Steve Slade said Thursday.
Pender, the internal affairs report said, was fired for a series of mistakes, including losing track of the informant on the evening of the bungled sting.
Meanwhile, Hoffman's family was still looking for an apology from Tallahassee police.
"It's time that the police department accept responsibility for what happened here," said Lance Block, who is representing the family, which includes Hoffman's mother, Margie Weiss of Safety Harbor, and Hoffman's father, Irv Hoffman of Palm Harbor.
"Just like the police department expects lawbreakers to accept responsibility for their actions. They need to make amends."
1 Fired, 4 Suspended In Botched Drug Sting
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n896/a10.html
1 FIRED, 4 SUSPENDED IN BOTCHED DRUG STING
TALLAHASSEE - An investigator was fired Thursday and four other Tallahassee police officers were suspended for two weeks without pay for their roles in a botched drug sting that led to the death of a young informant from Pinellas County.
Additionally, Police Chief Dennis Jones and his top deputy, John Proctor, received formal reprimands.
A grand jury reported Aug. 1 that it found police undercover operations negligent in the shooting death of 23-year-old Rachel Hoffman, who was killed in the aborted sting in early May. Two men - Andrea Green and Deneilo Bradshaw - await trial on first-degree murder charges.
"While we cannot change the events of May 7, we can make the type of changes within the department to help ensure our future actions are consistent with policy," said Jones, who noted violations involving drug buy-and-bust policies as well as the use of cash in such operations.
Hoffman, a graduate of Countryside High School in Clearwater, also had recently graduated from Florida State University. She was arrested on charges of using and selling marijuana and ecstasy. Police said being an informant in the drug investigation was a way for her to avoid prison time.
She was given $13,000 to buy drugs and a gun from suspected dealers at a park in a sting arranged by police. Her body was found two days later in rural Taylor County.
Investigator Ryan Pender was fired while Capt. Chris Connell, Lt. Taltha White and Sgts. Rod Looney and David Odom were suspended.
Jones, who was reprimanded by Tallahassee City Manager Anita Favors Thompson, said the four suspended officers will be reassigned upon their return to work.
The Florida Police Benevolent Association, which represents police officers across the state, said the sanctioned officers all had 15 days to file a grievance over the disciplinary action.
"Let us not forget that these officers have over 80 years of law enforcement experience and exemplary work histories," Big Bend PBA President Steve Slade said Thursday.
Pender, the internal affairs report said, was fired for a series of mistakes, including losing track of the informant on the evening of the bungled sting.
Meanwhile, Hoffman's family was still looking for an apology from Tallahassee police.
"It's time that the police department accept responsibility for what happened here," said Lance Block, who is representing the family, which includes Hoffman's mother, Margie Weiss of Safety Harbor, and Hoffman's father, Irv Hoffman of Palm Harbor.
"Just like the police department expects lawbreakers to accept responsibility for their actions. They need to make amends."
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TwistedRemedy
better yet that investagator should be made a policce informat workin in some third world country busting terrorist or sum shit, somwere that his life expectincy is very short. maybey have him crawling through caves in looking for osama bin laden would learn him .
FrankRizzo
Listen to me jerky
All of them should have been fired. Two weeks without pay?! Sounds more like a vacation than a reprimand. Hopefully when they get back they get nailed to a desk for the rest of their "careers."
G
guest59452
this happened a while ago, and they were doing a good job at covering up who did it
Damn pigs busted her for weed and go make her buy coke. Thats a death sentance
poor girl wish i could raise her from the dead
Damn pigs busted her for weed and go make her buy coke. Thats a death sentance
poor girl wish i could raise her from the dead
SomeGuy
668, Neighbor of the Beast
The Left Turn Rachel Hoffman Didn't Make
The Left Turn Rachel Hoffman Didn't Make
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n932/a10.html
THE LEFT TURN RACHEL HOFFMAN DIDN'T MAKE
Internal-Affairs Report and Rebuttal Debate Who Had Control of the Drug Bust in Which She Died
Traffic on North Meridian was typical for a weekday evening. A steady flow of cars snaked up the canopy road as people went home to Tallahassee's northeast suburbs and shuttled kids to soccer games.
Driving north to Forestmeadows Park in her silver 2005 Volvo, Rachel Hoffman fit right in. About 6:40 p.m. May 7, the Tallahassee Police Department informant was set to meet two suspected drug dealers and buy cocaine, Ecstasy and a gun.
Alone, with $13,000 in her purse and wearing a wire, she worked her iPhone constantly, bouncing between calls with one suspect and Investigator Ryan Pender, her main TPD contact. In an unmarked car behind her, he had just pulled over at Maclay School to monitor her wire.
Hoffman, familiar with the college clubs on Tennessee Street but not the playing fields off Meridian Road, turned too soon into the sports complex, not the park. A DEA agent behind her kept driving north but alerted Pender, who swung back onto Meridian.
He saw her, helped create a gap in traffic so she could pull back out and told her by phone to go to the next entrance, to turn left at the flashing yellow light. That's where she'd meet the suspects. Three cars of officers were waiting.
Hoffman said she'd do what Pender told her. She wouldn't follow the suspects to the plant nursery up the road where they now wanted her to go.
Pender watched as Hoffman's car crested a rise in the road and dropped from sight. He turned left into the baseball fields to listen to the deal go down. No one had eyes on her anymore.
At that moment, TPD's internal-affairs investigation concludes, any control over Hoffman and the operation vanished.
Pender, fired last month for nine policy violations, insists it wasn't his fault she was lost. He says his plan was solid, his preparation thorough. He was in constant touch by phone and by wire. There was no reason to think she wouldn't go to the park. She told him she was turning in right then.
Only she didn't. And the next time police saw her, she was dead.
Defending His CI
Ryan Pender trusted Rachel Hoffman. He liked her, thought she was smart, was impressed with her street slang and ability to figure in her head the price of a bunch of drugs. She told him things that could get her into more trouble than she already was in when he busted her at her Polos on Park apartment in April with a quarter-pound of pot. She pressed him, he said, to make her a confidential informant.
"She had a degree. She was very friendly. She was very forthcoming with information...," Pender told internal-affairs investigators. "I deal with a lot of CIs. She was one of the better ones at talking the game and being involved."
When she told him she'd bought the handful of Ecstasy pills he found at her place at a music festival because she didn't like the drug and wanted to get it off the street, he believed her. She was that kind of "earthy" person. He told her to list him in her cell phone as "Pooh Bear."
Pender knew she was in a court-ordered drug diversion program, but he thought the rules about checking with the state attorney before using an informant extended only to those on probation or parole. People in drug court had been used before.
Even though on her first day Hoffman confessed to a dealer she was trying to set up that she was working for the police - then got him to become an informant to help her and later paid his utility bill - Pender kept her. She had a reasonable explanation and told him right away.
The dealer was a friend who was sweet on her, Pender told internal-affairs investigators. He knew about the bust at her apartment. When he confronted her about being an informant, she couldn't come up with a lie. Once he knew, he wanted to help her work off her charges.
"You make it sound dirty, like it was this dirty deal that they had on the side. It wasn't that way," Pender said. "It was more, 'She took care of my financial responsibilities so I don't need the money. I'm doing this solely for Rachel. That's why I'm here.'"
Pender didn't cut her loose when she disobeyed him again and met with a potential target on her own. The suspected drug dealer, one of the two she was going to meet that fateful May evening, flagged her down on Tennessee Street. She worried that if she didn't stop and talk it would look suspicious. Again, she immediately told Pender.
His supervisor, Sgt. David Odom, said Pender told him partially what was going on with Hoffman. He agreed with the 18-month vice officer's opinion that she was worth keeping. He'd had no issues with Pender's handling of informants before. In fact, he said, Pender was "probably one of the best investigators I had in the vice unit."
But Odom said Pender didn't tell him about the deal with the other informant. If he had, he would have told him to cut her. Those farther up the command chain knew virtually nothing. Hardly anyone at TPD even knew Hoffman's name until she vanished.
"I was not aware there were any problems with Ms. Hoffman," vice Capt. Chris Connell told internal-affairs investigators.
All that would be revealed after she was shot to death and, according to police, the men she was supposed to bust led police to her body - after family members in Perry saw them tossing out $50 bills and carrying a 25-caliber gun.
"Knowing what I know now," said Deputy Chief John Proctor, "I would not have approved in any way, shape or form this operation."
Choosing a Site
But May 7, when everyone up to the division captain was at a briefing, no one had a problem with the typically fluid nature of the operation. The location was changed from the suspect's parents' house in Summerbrooke, to the Thomasville Road Wal-Mart - then, at the men's request, to Forestmeadows.
Department policy says isolated locations are best for such operations, but officers said populated places such as store parking lots were used all the time. A bustling city park - though no one interviewed could remember another time such a place had been used - was deemed OK. There was one way in, one way out.
Pender said he wasn't letting the suspects dictate the location. He thought their suggestion of the park was a good one, so it was his choice.
"Then when we call to confirm, ( the suspect ) confirms, 'Yeah, Forestmeadows,'" he explained to internal-affairs investigators. "Perfect. Now he thinks ... he's in control of the deal, but he's really not."
Sending Her Off Alone
No red flags were raised when it was said that Hoffman would go alone in her car or that one suspect had not been fully identified - both frowned upon in written standard operating procedures. Pender said he tried his best to find out the identity of the second suspect but could not. And it was common practice, he said, for CIs to go to deals alone. Hoffman thought having an undercover officer with her would make her nervous.
She also wanted to have the money and monitoring devices in the purse she always carried, rather than stashed elsewhere in the car. She wasn't controlling the situation, he said, because it was his decision to let her do those things.
No one was concerned that, along with the drugs, she'd be purchasing a gun. Pender told Hoffman, who had no experience with firearms, not to touch it.
Virtually nothing was signed off on paper, but everyone stated orally he or she was satisfied with the plan. Some officers in the room, who'd been involved in more than 100 such deals, said the standing-room-only briefing was especially thorough. It was business as usual.
Guarding the Money
None of the police officers, however, could remember a time when a buy-bust involved more money.
When Deputy Chief Proctor released the $13,000, he hadn't read the operational plan. He'd been at home and was on pain medication for a procedure he'd had done that day.
All he knew was the deal was to go down in northeast Tallahassee. He figured the chief knew what was going on and others had all the details worked out.
"I personally told Inv. Pender, as did the deputy chief, that the money didn't leave his sight," Connell said. "So, if the money didn't leave his sight, the girl didn't leave his sight."
Pender's direct supervisor, Odom, was out that day, participating in one of the frequent training sessions that took him out of the office. Sgt. Rod Looney, a 16-year veteran notified a day before about the operation, would be in charge of the biggest team in memory: 15 TPD officers and three Drug Enforcement Administration agents.
But Pender was lead officer. Hoffman was his CI.
"Any source, you know, you tell them to do something, it's a possibility they are going to do something else," Looney told internal-affairs investigators. "You got to watch what they do, you got to be on top of them at all times."
'Turn Around!'
Back on Meridian Road, everyone was waiting for Hoffman to pull into the park. Pender realized too much time had passed. He was losing her on the wire. He called her, it seemed like 100 times, to no avail.
Then DEA agent Lou Andris, who'd kept heading north after Hoffman made her wrong turn into the ball fields, radioed Pender to say he saw the suspects in their gray BMW at Royalty Plant Nursery.
"If we know where they are, at least we know where half the deal is," Pender recalled telling Andris, who turned around at Hawks Rise Elementary, 0.1 mile north of the nursery, and headed back south.
Pender was about to leave the baseball fields to look for Hoffman when she finally called him back.
"I followed them from the nursery," she said. "We're on Gardner. It looks like the deal is going to go here. It's a dead-end street."
Pender told her: "'I told you not to do that. Turn around! Turn around! Do not follow them!'
"I had no response from her, which meant, you know, either she hung up on me or we lost the signal. I had a strong signal.. . .
"I think that she hung up on me, not because she didn't want to hear it. I think it was because she was in the heat of the deal, and the deal was about to go down."
Pender ordered all units to Gardner Road.
K-9 Officer Bill Hurlburt heard the urgency in Pender's voice. The 20-year veteran had an electronic map and radioed to others where Gardner Road was. Most had no idea.
In less than four minutes, arrest teams arrived. No sign of Hoffman.
When Hurlburt got there, he found a black Reef flip-flop a half-mile down in the middle of the road. It didn't seem to be a crime scene. No glaring reason to think the worst.
Not until later did officers know the flip-flop was Hoffman's. It would be after dark before they realized Hurlburt's car had been covering two live .25-caliber rounds and one spent shell casing near a rise in the dead-end road.
The Left Turn Rachel Hoffman Didn't Make
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n932/a10.html
THE LEFT TURN RACHEL HOFFMAN DIDN'T MAKE
Internal-Affairs Report and Rebuttal Debate Who Had Control of the Drug Bust in Which She Died
Traffic on North Meridian was typical for a weekday evening. A steady flow of cars snaked up the canopy road as people went home to Tallahassee's northeast suburbs and shuttled kids to soccer games.
Driving north to Forestmeadows Park in her silver 2005 Volvo, Rachel Hoffman fit right in. About 6:40 p.m. May 7, the Tallahassee Police Department informant was set to meet two suspected drug dealers and buy cocaine, Ecstasy and a gun.
Alone, with $13,000 in her purse and wearing a wire, she worked her iPhone constantly, bouncing between calls with one suspect and Investigator Ryan Pender, her main TPD contact. In an unmarked car behind her, he had just pulled over at Maclay School to monitor her wire.
Hoffman, familiar with the college clubs on Tennessee Street but not the playing fields off Meridian Road, turned too soon into the sports complex, not the park. A DEA agent behind her kept driving north but alerted Pender, who swung back onto Meridian.
He saw her, helped create a gap in traffic so she could pull back out and told her by phone to go to the next entrance, to turn left at the flashing yellow light. That's where she'd meet the suspects. Three cars of officers were waiting.
Hoffman said she'd do what Pender told her. She wouldn't follow the suspects to the plant nursery up the road where they now wanted her to go.
Pender watched as Hoffman's car crested a rise in the road and dropped from sight. He turned left into the baseball fields to listen to the deal go down. No one had eyes on her anymore.
At that moment, TPD's internal-affairs investigation concludes, any control over Hoffman and the operation vanished.
Pender, fired last month for nine policy violations, insists it wasn't his fault she was lost. He says his plan was solid, his preparation thorough. He was in constant touch by phone and by wire. There was no reason to think she wouldn't go to the park. She told him she was turning in right then.
Only she didn't. And the next time police saw her, she was dead.
Defending His CI
Ryan Pender trusted Rachel Hoffman. He liked her, thought she was smart, was impressed with her street slang and ability to figure in her head the price of a bunch of drugs. She told him things that could get her into more trouble than she already was in when he busted her at her Polos on Park apartment in April with a quarter-pound of pot. She pressed him, he said, to make her a confidential informant.
"She had a degree. She was very friendly. She was very forthcoming with information...," Pender told internal-affairs investigators. "I deal with a lot of CIs. She was one of the better ones at talking the game and being involved."
When she told him she'd bought the handful of Ecstasy pills he found at her place at a music festival because she didn't like the drug and wanted to get it off the street, he believed her. She was that kind of "earthy" person. He told her to list him in her cell phone as "Pooh Bear."
Pender knew she was in a court-ordered drug diversion program, but he thought the rules about checking with the state attorney before using an informant extended only to those on probation or parole. People in drug court had been used before.
Even though on her first day Hoffman confessed to a dealer she was trying to set up that she was working for the police - then got him to become an informant to help her and later paid his utility bill - Pender kept her. She had a reasonable explanation and told him right away.
The dealer was a friend who was sweet on her, Pender told internal-affairs investigators. He knew about the bust at her apartment. When he confronted her about being an informant, she couldn't come up with a lie. Once he knew, he wanted to help her work off her charges.
"You make it sound dirty, like it was this dirty deal that they had on the side. It wasn't that way," Pender said. "It was more, 'She took care of my financial responsibilities so I don't need the money. I'm doing this solely for Rachel. That's why I'm here.'"
Pender didn't cut her loose when she disobeyed him again and met with a potential target on her own. The suspected drug dealer, one of the two she was going to meet that fateful May evening, flagged her down on Tennessee Street. She worried that if she didn't stop and talk it would look suspicious. Again, she immediately told Pender.
His supervisor, Sgt. David Odom, said Pender told him partially what was going on with Hoffman. He agreed with the 18-month vice officer's opinion that she was worth keeping. He'd had no issues with Pender's handling of informants before. In fact, he said, Pender was "probably one of the best investigators I had in the vice unit."
But Odom said Pender didn't tell him about the deal with the other informant. If he had, he would have told him to cut her. Those farther up the command chain knew virtually nothing. Hardly anyone at TPD even knew Hoffman's name until she vanished.
"I was not aware there were any problems with Ms. Hoffman," vice Capt. Chris Connell told internal-affairs investigators.
All that would be revealed after she was shot to death and, according to police, the men she was supposed to bust led police to her body - after family members in Perry saw them tossing out $50 bills and carrying a 25-caliber gun.
"Knowing what I know now," said Deputy Chief John Proctor, "I would not have approved in any way, shape or form this operation."
Choosing a Site
But May 7, when everyone up to the division captain was at a briefing, no one had a problem with the typically fluid nature of the operation. The location was changed from the suspect's parents' house in Summerbrooke, to the Thomasville Road Wal-Mart - then, at the men's request, to Forestmeadows.
Department policy says isolated locations are best for such operations, but officers said populated places such as store parking lots were used all the time. A bustling city park - though no one interviewed could remember another time such a place had been used - was deemed OK. There was one way in, one way out.
Pender said he wasn't letting the suspects dictate the location. He thought their suggestion of the park was a good one, so it was his choice.
"Then when we call to confirm, ( the suspect ) confirms, 'Yeah, Forestmeadows,'" he explained to internal-affairs investigators. "Perfect. Now he thinks ... he's in control of the deal, but he's really not."
Sending Her Off Alone
No red flags were raised when it was said that Hoffman would go alone in her car or that one suspect had not been fully identified - both frowned upon in written standard operating procedures. Pender said he tried his best to find out the identity of the second suspect but could not. And it was common practice, he said, for CIs to go to deals alone. Hoffman thought having an undercover officer with her would make her nervous.
She also wanted to have the money and monitoring devices in the purse she always carried, rather than stashed elsewhere in the car. She wasn't controlling the situation, he said, because it was his decision to let her do those things.
No one was concerned that, along with the drugs, she'd be purchasing a gun. Pender told Hoffman, who had no experience with firearms, not to touch it.
Virtually nothing was signed off on paper, but everyone stated orally he or she was satisfied with the plan. Some officers in the room, who'd been involved in more than 100 such deals, said the standing-room-only briefing was especially thorough. It was business as usual.
Guarding the Money
None of the police officers, however, could remember a time when a buy-bust involved more money.
When Deputy Chief Proctor released the $13,000, he hadn't read the operational plan. He'd been at home and was on pain medication for a procedure he'd had done that day.
All he knew was the deal was to go down in northeast Tallahassee. He figured the chief knew what was going on and others had all the details worked out.
"I personally told Inv. Pender, as did the deputy chief, that the money didn't leave his sight," Connell said. "So, if the money didn't leave his sight, the girl didn't leave his sight."
Pender's direct supervisor, Odom, was out that day, participating in one of the frequent training sessions that took him out of the office. Sgt. Rod Looney, a 16-year veteran notified a day before about the operation, would be in charge of the biggest team in memory: 15 TPD officers and three Drug Enforcement Administration agents.
But Pender was lead officer. Hoffman was his CI.
"Any source, you know, you tell them to do something, it's a possibility they are going to do something else," Looney told internal-affairs investigators. "You got to watch what they do, you got to be on top of them at all times."
'Turn Around!'
Back on Meridian Road, everyone was waiting for Hoffman to pull into the park. Pender realized too much time had passed. He was losing her on the wire. He called her, it seemed like 100 times, to no avail.
Then DEA agent Lou Andris, who'd kept heading north after Hoffman made her wrong turn into the ball fields, radioed Pender to say he saw the suspects in their gray BMW at Royalty Plant Nursery.
"If we know where they are, at least we know where half the deal is," Pender recalled telling Andris, who turned around at Hawks Rise Elementary, 0.1 mile north of the nursery, and headed back south.
Pender was about to leave the baseball fields to look for Hoffman when she finally called him back.
"I followed them from the nursery," she said. "We're on Gardner. It looks like the deal is going to go here. It's a dead-end street."
Pender told her: "'I told you not to do that. Turn around! Turn around! Do not follow them!'
"I had no response from her, which meant, you know, either she hung up on me or we lost the signal. I had a strong signal.. . .
"I think that she hung up on me, not because she didn't want to hear it. I think it was because she was in the heat of the deal, and the deal was about to go down."
Pender ordered all units to Gardner Road.
K-9 Officer Bill Hurlburt heard the urgency in Pender's voice. The 20-year veteran had an electronic map and radioed to others where Gardner Road was. Most had no idea.
In less than four minutes, arrest teams arrived. No sign of Hoffman.
When Hurlburt got there, he found a black Reef flip-flop a half-mile down in the middle of the road. It didn't seem to be a crime scene. No glaring reason to think the worst.
Not until later did officers know the flip-flop was Hoffman's. It would be after dark before they realized Hurlburt's car had been covering two live .25-caliber rounds and one spent shell casing near a rise in the dead-end road.
SomeGuy
668, Neighbor of the Beast
Weedninja
Member
I can't believe there's so much sympathy on here for a fuckin' snitch! Just be glad she got wasted before she got a chance to rat on one of our brother and sister growers on here.
She knew she was breaking the law(yeah it was a stupid law) she chose to do so anyway, and when she got caught, instead of S-ingTFU, she chose to ruin other peoples' lives. Good riddance.
She knew she was breaking the law(yeah it was a stupid law) she chose to do so anyway, and when she got caught, instead of S-ingTFU, she chose to ruin other peoples' lives. Good riddance.
Marshmello
Member
Good Things don't come from snitchin'.
Loss of Life is never a good thing.
This was an excellent read.
Getting peeps take on this deal is very telling of how differently we all see things IMO.
I got a couple takes for each side.
My first point would be the Marijuana: started out as a "minimal" amount that went from like some personal that morphed into "drug court prior". Then later in the thread it turns out she was busted with 5 Zips AFTER the 27g...Clearly over the 20g Felony mentioned early, umm, TWICE in a year. Dummy.
Facts of the story seem a little sketch . C'mon! Slangin' & missin' a UA while on probation? she doesn't sound like she was real worried about it to me.
FSU Grad? Book learnin' no doubt. Common Sense can't be taught.
To the LEO: 13K and she just drives out of sight? Bullshit.
Fuckin' DEA PLANE(?!) and they lost BOTH cars?
He flipped a U and "made a gap in traffic" because she had turned wrong before, as another leo kept going straight? but no one was following? so when he made the U and the "tail" kept going, the tail was just Over?
All kinds of cops involved and I can't believe they ever let the cash get Out Of Sight.
To the Killers:
Dudes! WTF were you thinkin'? You knew this chick for less than 3 weeks and were ready to do a deal straight off of the show, DEA?
13k for X, Yay & a strap? For "her ppl from Miami"? Puhleeeze.
They deserve w/e they get because they had her marked from jump.
Loss of Life is never a good thing.
This was an excellent read.
Getting peeps take on this deal is very telling of how differently we all see things IMO.
I got a couple takes for each side.
My first point would be the Marijuana: started out as a "minimal" amount that went from like some personal that morphed into "drug court prior". Then later in the thread it turns out she was busted with 5 Zips AFTER the 27g...Clearly over the 20g Felony mentioned early, umm, TWICE in a year. Dummy.
Facts of the story seem a little sketch . C'mon! Slangin' & missin' a UA while on probation? she doesn't sound like she was real worried about it to me.
FSU Grad? Book learnin' no doubt. Common Sense can't be taught.
To the LEO: 13K and she just drives out of sight? Bullshit.
Fuckin' DEA PLANE(?!) and they lost BOTH cars?
He flipped a U and "made a gap in traffic" because she had turned wrong before, as another leo kept going straight? but no one was following? so when he made the U and the "tail" kept going, the tail was just Over?
All kinds of cops involved and I can't believe they ever let the cash get Out Of Sight.
To the Killers:
Dudes! WTF were you thinkin'? You knew this chick for less than 3 weeks and were ready to do a deal straight off of the show, DEA?
13k for X, Yay & a strap? For "her ppl from Miami"? Puhleeeze.
They deserve w/e they get because they had her marked from jump.
SomeGuy
668, Neighbor of the Beast
Next few days should be interesting with over 300 pages being released including the coppers report.
NOTE: All kinds of links to follow to interviews on the papers website. If you are interested read them soon as they will archive them and then you need a subscription. I'm waiting for a reporter to get all the highlights and I'll post that back here. First link I clicked on was a 100 page PDF.
Tallahassee.com
NOTE: All kinds of links to follow to interviews on the papers website. If you are interested read them soon as they will archive them and then you need a subscription. I'm waiting for a reporter to get all the highlights and I'll post that back here. First link I clicked on was a 100 page PDF.
Tallahassee.com
All I say is "DONT PLAY THE GAME IF YOU AINT READY TO FACE CONSEQUENCE´S"!!!
I really dont feel bad that snitch got what she deserved and wtf does that mean she had just finished uni???? Fuck that, ppl like that gal should never ever try to play and pretend some dealer. Once they get caught with couple grams they piss on their fancy pants and let LEO know EVERYTHING they want know + more that LEO wasnt even aware
Cannot understand how some of you guys can protect some snitchbitch act, just doesnt go in my mind....
Snitch is a snitch, no explanations, eventhought she was young & pretty & from good family! Ppl like this snitch do anything they can to not to go into jail, they sell their best friends etc.. just that their own educated ass doesnt go into trouble. They even tell LEO things that aint true, JUST TO SAVE THEIR OWN ASS, that is one of the reason why popo in US do these no knock raids which lead into death of 92 year old granny for example...
I really dont feel bad that snitch got what she deserved and wtf does that mean she had just finished uni???? Fuck that, ppl like that gal should never ever try to play and pretend some dealer. Once they get caught with couple grams they piss on their fancy pants and let LEO know EVERYTHING they want know + more that LEO wasnt even aware
Cannot understand how some of you guys can protect some snitchbitch act, just doesnt go in my mind....
Snitch is a snitch, no explanations, eventhought she was young & pretty & from good family! Ppl like this snitch do anything they can to not to go into jail, they sell their best friends etc.. just that their own educated ass doesnt go into trouble. They even tell LEO things that aint true, JUST TO SAVE THEIR OWN ASS, that is one of the reason why popo in US do these no knock raids which lead into death of 92 year old granny for example...
SomeGuy
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Herbalistic said:
I cannot understand why so many here are willing to protect LEO.
They were the ones that coerced a girl to do their job for them and then blew it and cost her dearly. The cops should not be allowed to use these tactics anywhere or at any time, under any circumstance. She got caught with a little weed and she should have had to pay her fine and possibly a little county time and that should have been the end of it. And until people like us stand up and say THATS WRONG!! it will continue.
The real culprits of this story are the inept LEO, that threatened her, offered her deals they couldn't back up, broke laws themselves and then sent her out unprepared TO DO THEIR JOBS FOR THEM with no training and obviously bungled support. LEO is the real culprit here, not the poor girl they ended up getting killed.
Yeah, its sounds cool to go all Tony Soprano and blame her with school yard snitch talk, but you weren't in the interrogation room and you don't know what they threatened her with. Open your eyes and see that she never should have been put in this position in the first place.
No one here has defended snitching in any way shape or form. Others here have defended LEO's actions by saying "she got what she deserved for being a snitch." That, to me is unbelievable....
URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n1108/a07.html
RACHEL HOFFMAN INVESTIGATOR'S FIRING CASE BOUND FOR ARBITRATION
An arbiter will decide whether former Tallahassee Police Investigator Ryan Pender gets his job back.
He was fired in September for his role in the drug sting that led to the death of 23-year-old confidential informant Rachel Hoffman. The city has denied Pender's request to be reinstated with back pay and benefits.
Pender's attorney, Paul Villeneuve, received the grievance denial letter late Friday. He has 15 days to notify the city of Pender's intent to seek arbitration.
"We look forward to the next stage and hope that we get a level playing field where we can debate the merits of this entire thing," Villeneuve said Monday.
Under police-union rules, the city and Pender must agree on an arbiter who will make a final decision. Villeneuve expects a hearing in the spring.
Hoffman, a recent Florida State graduate, became a confidential informant after TPD officers found drugs in her apartment in April. She was killed in May when a planned bust went awry.
Pender, who had recruited her, was the only officer fired for his role in the case. Four senior officers were suspended for two weeks without pay.
One of those officers, Sgt. Rod Looney, is fighting his suspension and seeking back pay and benefits. His grievance was also denied Friday. He has 15 days to request arbitration.
RACHEL HOFFMAN INVESTIGATOR'S FIRING CASE BOUND FOR ARBITRATION
An arbiter will decide whether former Tallahassee Police Investigator Ryan Pender gets his job back.
He was fired in September for his role in the drug sting that led to the death of 23-year-old confidential informant Rachel Hoffman. The city has denied Pender's request to be reinstated with back pay and benefits.
Pender's attorney, Paul Villeneuve, received the grievance denial letter late Friday. He has 15 days to notify the city of Pender's intent to seek arbitration.
"We look forward to the next stage and hope that we get a level playing field where we can debate the merits of this entire thing," Villeneuve said Monday.
Under police-union rules, the city and Pender must agree on an arbiter who will make a final decision. Villeneuve expects a hearing in the spring.
Hoffman, a recent Florida State graduate, became a confidential informant after TPD officers found drugs in her apartment in April. She was killed in May when a planned bust went awry.
Pender, who had recruited her, was the only officer fired for his role in the case. Four senior officers were suspended for two weeks without pay.
One of those officers, Sgt. Rod Looney, is fighting his suspension and seeking back pay and benefits. His grievance was also denied Friday. He has 15 days to request arbitration.
SomeGuy said:
I hear Blackwater is hiring. Im sure they would fit right in.
