Yellowing leaves while flowering? Correct the problem with a high N food.

[piper]

Hehe

I use Jacks 20-20-20 right up to the last week before harvest, and I don't flush either

I have been doing this since the mid 70's

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Ouch...

 

[GMT]

Would someone clue in this smart ass who he's dealing with, please?

Fella, do yourself a favor. Lurk, learn to grow tomatoes, FIRST, and get this book. It is excellent covering every aspect of cannabis culture and processing.

Uncle Ben

I'm sure there are one or two expecting an oncoming storm from me here. But I'm not going to, nor shall I comment on the ego of shouting " don't you know who I am" at passing strangers. I've been digging.
It seems this 75 year old was one of the early internet trail blazers. So in a way he helped to pave the way for me to be able to tell him he's full of shit. This guy, claims to have invented topping. Forget rose growers using the technique to grow more flowers for hundreds of years. No, no, this guy invented it. Bounced around sites for a while, getting banned as he went from what I can make out. No where to be seen or heard for a couple of decades until a couple of years ago.

By all accounts he seemed a decent bloke according to most, I guess he's just cranky now he's old, I get that way myself some days.

So no, I tried to help, but I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

I once bought a liquid lawn feed, that had good numbers. I was unaware the N was in a form that the tomato feeds were avoiding. I know we have two in our hydro feeds, and the ratio is important. I run out of knowledge at this point though. I think the law stuff was ammonium. Somewhat available, but cycles round to the more useful NO3.
I started growing 35 years ago, but it was a few years later till I really got busy. Making me gen-hydro
This means the nitrogen cycle, is some sort of transportation with pedals?

It tasted bad. May as well of wrapped up an alkaline battery and tried to light it. High P can be chemically, but this was naff. The runoff even had a smell to it, and... well... as you do... the feed tasted bad in the bottle. In hindsight, it was from the tanks at a pig farm and not something to be gargling with, but you don't think of that when you are using it. Same sort of yang though, from bottle, to run-off, to bud.

If we look at nitrogen is it's basic form, what does it really taste of. Air is near 80% nitrogen. They carbonate drinks with it, for a smoothness co2 can't achieve. I'm going to say that No3 might not taste of much. It's major components of the air we breathe.
I do see how the curing could be effected. It's going to be present in any case though.


I won't use ammonium nitrate again. I can see why it was for lawns. Soil feeds do use a fair bit more than hydro, especially in slower release formulations. I did use up my lawn feed in veg though. Where there is time for that N cycle.


I'm quite happy avoiding soil technology. Some has stuck as I have passed by, but I'm not green fingered. I do wonder if others have used poor sources of N and ruined their crop though. Blaming N directly, when like with me, they may of used the wrong type and the wrong time.


Straw though.. that is interesting. I think it's almost an infection. N gets blamed, but my brushes with that, have always been problems at the root. Maybe we have some microlife that can breed better through the drying process, with a higher N level ?

I choose a turf food, or any food, based on the nutritional value of your soil. Where I live there is no N in the "soil", clay loam so I broadcast a 15-5-10 with micros and ammonium sulfate about 50/50.

Where are you getting Ammonium nitrate? That was banned from the public here in the USA 20 or so years ago, ever since that fatal blast of the plant in West, TX.

Uncle Ben

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

I'm sure there are one or two expecting an oncoming storm from me here. But I'm not going to, nor shall I comment on the ego of shouting " don't you know who I am" at passing strangers. I've been digging.
It seems this 75 year old was one of the early internet trail blazers. So in a way he helped to pave the way for me to be able to tell him he's full of shit. This guy, claims to have invented topping. Forget rose growers using the technique to grow more flowers for hundreds of years. No, no, this guy invented it. Bounced around sites for a while, getting banned as he went from what I can make out. No where to be seen or heard for a couple of decades until a couple of years ago.

By all accounts he seemed a decent bloke according to most, I guess he's just cranky now he's old, I get that way myself some days.

So no, I tried to help, but I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Pearls before swine....

Carry on, kid.

Uncle Ben

 

[GMT]

I must say the condescending tone of your posts are most unbecoming.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

Hehe

I use Jacks 20-20-20 right up to the last week before harvest, and I don't flush either

I have been doing this since the mid 70's

Good on ya. Folks that don't understand botanical processes regarding the uptake of salts and how and where the plant processes those salts are the very ones that beat the flushing drum. A plant isn't a car radiator, you don't flush anything, certainly not ions or carbos and proteins the nutrient salts induced.

UB

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

I must say the condescending tone of your posts are most unbecoming.

I must say the condescending tone of your posts are most unbecoming.

"So in a way he helped to pave the way for me to be able to tell him he's full of shit."

Excuse me?
People in glass houses.....

Glad to be of service LOL.

Let's check out some of your gardens. Let's see whacha got kid.

UB

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

Yep, we got a nutrient imbalance going on here, notice the yellowing, and I don't think yours is a pure indica like my Lapis Mtn. indica that has leaves that go bronze, reddish, all kinds of weird colors. Be glad to advise ya kid but I think The Herd and their vendors have you by the balls. You've been programmed by the wrong people and now must submit to The Internet Cannabis Paradigms or be cast out by The Mob.

The original Bros. Grimm C99 at 6.5 weeks flowering, 2002. Harvested it a few days later. C99 was one of those rare sativa types that was ready within 7 weeks. Amazing old genetics. I did backcrosses of the originals 22 years ago and again in 2021. The seedlings are stable, all look like clones.

Peak19, 8 weeks.

TrainwreckXSweettooth, 78 days. Some yellowing but the fan leaves are still *nourishing* the flowers. I bet if I checked my journal I was playing with bloom foods. Been there, done that.

Good luck,
UB

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

It's been my understanding that some of that yellowing can be a result of a lock-out relative to, among other possible issues, excess Potassium.

Meant to respond to this. You are probably spot on. I added 1 tsp. of potassium sulfate to a gallon or water and drenched the pot quite a few times, then the yellowing effect started. There is an antagonism affect going regarding N/K.

 

[G.O. Joe]

Or maybe your Brand O sucked and it finally got some proper food like Peters, which ganj growers have used since probably when it started selling. Actually I love time release outdoors, but prefer the sticks.

SO4 is highly mobile as I recall and will preferentially take Fe, Ca, and Mg along with it with your drenching.

There are two schools of thought, which boils down to whether one prefers 100 grams of 10% THC ganj or 50 grams of 20%. Lusher does not mean better in any other sense, and tobacco growers have agreed on this as well. As with tobacco, more fertilizer does not mean better smoking qualities, and the post-harvest treatment is equally important.

 

[Ca++]

I choose a turf food, or any food, based on the nutritional value of your soil. Where I live there is no N in the "soil", clay loam so I broadcast a 15-5-10 with micros and ammonium sulfate about 50/50.

Where are you getting Ammonium nitrate? That was banned from the public here in the USA 20 or so years ago, ever since that fatal blast of the plant in West, TX.

Uncle Ben

The ammonium nitrate was a constituent of the liquid lawn feed.
Your Osmocote is 8.4% ammonical nitrate.
We tend to process it from pig farm waste tanks.


I should really do a N test outdoors. I did quite a suite, but not the N. I live in a clay area. With 'red' in a few local town names. It's very prominent.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

Or maybe your Brand O sucked and it finally got some proper food like Peters, which ganj growers have used since probably when it started selling. Actually I love time release outdoors, but prefer the sticks.

SO4 is highly mobile as I recall and will preferentially take Fe, Ca, and Mg along with it with your drenching.

There are two schools of thought, which boils down to whether one prefers 100 grams of 10% THC ganj or 50 grams of 20%. Lusher does not mean better in any other sense, and tobacco growers have agreed on this as well. As with tobacco, more fertilizer does not mean better smoking qualities, and the post-harvest treatment is equally important.

Proper food? For the record, been using Peters for 45 years. Had many a conversation with Jack Peters, have you? Again, nothing new here. Well, take that back, it is just simple botany, a concept too many shy away from.

Fertilizer only facilitates, supports the production of plant tissue via photosynthesis. "Lusher" means more carbohydrates/sugars are produced for that tissue production.

Nitrates, sulfates and phosphates tend to leech vs ammonical forms of N like urea or UAN. Here again, Osmocote feeds continuously. Not an issue.

UB

 

[Ca++]

Nitrates, sulfates and phosphates tend to leech vs ammonical forms of N like urea or UAN. Here again, Osmocote feeds continuously. Not an issue.

UB

That might be a big part of why the turf feed made bad bud for me. I was in small pots, feeding like it was hydro. Using feed that likely comes back to urea. I bet it got to silly N numbers in there. I might have a better understanding of why that N type failed for me now. Thank you

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

The ammonium nitrate was a constituent of the liquid lawn feed.
Your Osmocote is 8.4% ammonical nitrate.
We tend to process it from pig farm waste tanks.


I should really do a N test outdoors. I did quite a suite, but not the N. I live in a clay area. With 'red' in a few local town names. It's very prominent.

Recommend Ward Labs if you're in the states.

N is part of all soil tests, doesn't make sense.

I also use mychorrize quite a bit, used it on everything on the farm. Am installing 13 pallets of St. Augustine this week and will innoculate the prepped soil ahead of my laborers dropping the sod using my boom sprayer. Drenched cannabis pots from the get go back in Nov. but saw no film like threads on any roots when I dumped the males.

Mychor takes a while to colonize and would be suited for plants grown at least 5 months.

@led05 you're into organics, ever played with mychorrize? I've got 3 different packs of it.

Uncle Ben

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

That might be a big part of why the turf feed made bad bud for me. I was in small pots, feeding like it was hydro. Using feed that likely comes back to urea. I bet it got to silly N numbers in there. I might have a better understanding of why that N type failed for me now. Thank you

You can still buy UAN, or at least I can where I live. UAN - urea, ammonium nitrate. If you do use any form of urea make sure it is listed as having low biuret, a nasty by product.

I would never use a food designed for turf for anything other than turf. Hell, even my cactus wouldn't see the stuff! Ultra pure, soluble salts that are in foods like Peters, Dyna-Gro and Osmocote are best.

UB

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Most people are not aware the 'average' person has only a moderate ability to determine cannabis quality. A small, yet not insignificant, number of people have a very limited ability to dermine how cool/hot, aromatic or tasty their smoke is.

Coming from someone who can taste and feel fabric softener oils on my tongue from your shirt, at 15 feet away... I stand by my conviction that 'most' of the population has not (and will never) experience cannabis the way I do. A single dispensary in Chatsworth (robbed by the DEA and shut down 15? years ago) had quality cannabis. I thank the place often for opening my eyes to how shitty my 'Better than Anything in Comparison" cannabis really was. lol

Most everything else I have experienced in my life, except my own good runs now and very few exceptions from others, is subpar. Many proud growers have offered me cannabis which was downright harsh, with minimal aroma and flavor. Again, this is in comparison to quality grown.


Should you ever get to experience real quality, you will be very unhappy you started this or similar threads.

 

[Ca++]

You can still buy UAN, or at least I can where I live. UAN - urea, ammonium nitrate. If you do use any form of urea make sure it is listed as having low biuret, a nasty by product.

I would never use a food designed for turf for anything other than turf. Hell, even my cactus wouldn't see the stuff! Ultra pure, soluble salts that are in foods like Peters, Dyna-Gro and Peters are best.

UB

Yes it's a good lesson to learn. Thankfully it was a test grow. Flowering cuttings to look at planting density and yield expectations. I was not bothered by chucking it away. Actually a friend was keen to take it, but I get some pride/staunch purpose, from chucking out the chaff.

 

[Ca++]

Most people are not aware the 'average' person has only a moderate ability to determine cannabis quality. A small, yet not insignificant, number of people have a very limited ability to dermine how cool/hot, aromatic or tasty their smoke is.

Coming from someone who can taste and feel fabric softener oils on my tongue from your shirt, at 15 feet away... I stand by my conviction that 'most' of the population has not (and will never) experience cannabis the way I do. A single dispensary in Chatsworth (robbed by the DEA and shut down 15? years ago) had quality cannabis. I thank the place often for opening my eyes to how shitty my 'Better than Anything in Comparison" cannabis really was. lol

Most everything else I have experienced in my life, except my own good runs now and very few exceptions from others, is subpar. Many proud growers have offered me cannabis which was downright harsh, with minimal aroma and flavor. Again, this is in comparison to quality grown.


Should you ever get to experience real quality, you will be very unhappy you started this or similar threads.

Science divides us into 3 groups. The rather unscientifically named non-tasters. The normal tasters. The super tasters. Only the 1 in 3 of us called as super tasters, can have 3 flavours in their mouth, and tell you what each are. Like.. cheese tomato and bread. Which is about 100 times more ability than the non-tasters. Who presumably think everything tastes like chicken.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Real quality cannabis smokes like inhaling a super soft, delicious, cool temperature dessert of flavor and aroma.

The 'EXHALE' of the last hit, in a tightly packed bowl, should taste almost as delicious as the first hit... with extremely little built up 'burnt plant' flavor.

I KNOW this is not the case with your green harvest.