WTF is w/feminized genetics,

[stagger lee]

thats a fact Jack. This is probably how some new growers end up w/crazy high % of males.But small shit like that can happen to any grower, and I gotta laugh whenever I hear a new grower sayn how easy it is to grow indoors. Some think well.. I got a light and a few clones and they start adding up their yield and the loot they'll bank at harvest time. Not realizing the many little things that can/will fuck up the whole op.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

"Most growers believe that the cannabis seed is genetically predisposed to its sexual orientation as soon as fertilization takes place.But this is not true "

All of that was probably taken from a post on some website, most likely OG, and most likely not the books authors words. In any event, it is wrong. All of it is based on the hypothesis that the environment determines the sex of a plant. It does not. And nothing you can provide will show that. What can be shown is that the chromosome set of the hermaphroditic cannabis plant is a bit different and more complex than that of say a human. And it can be shown that the environment does indeed effect the expression of a plant, but only to the extent of what the plant has available to be expressed. If a seed produced from a forced pollination, then any stamen seen are not due to the plant being male...it cannot be a male...it is from the expression of the intersex gene that the plant holds, of which it got from it's parents.
No feminized plant will be forced to show male due to the stress of ANY environment, it just can't and doesn't happen. What the author was seeing was his stressful grow environment possibly triggering the intersex gene to express itself.
And again, the prevalence of the intersex gene and it's frequency is dependent on the selection of the parental stock and what genes they contain.

No, I am not wrong. Whoever wrote the piece you provided was wrong. Completely wrong.

During the feminized seed process an xx female is selected and stressed to make seeds that will produce female seeds and sometimes hermaphrodites.

See, there is no such thing as XX cannabis female. Once that is understood, one will probably be able to grasp the truth of the rest.

 

[stagger lee]

ERick, Greg does actually go into detail and explain the whole process. I just posted a few things. Hes got a few chapters covering feminized seeds,genetics, and breeding.IMO its a good book!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

It is a piss poor book if this sort of shit is in it. And nothing would do anything to change how wrong what you posted is, unless he actually admits all previous writings were bullshit.
Fail, dewd.

 

[stagger lee]

Hoosier I knew you wouldnt admit it. It doesnt say the environment determines the sex of the plant. IMO it states that the environment CAN influence the final sexual outcome! Stressful growing enviro/conditions = more males to appear This also explains how some new growers can experience a large % of males.

Good grow environment = more females
And this theory also explains why there are grow tips to get a high# of females from standard seeds.

And I have given you several grow books that also explain the same thing. You are only hearing what you want to, ya see?
You say its all in my mind spreading misinfo w/nothing to back it up. Asked for proof here it is. Now are all the breeders I listed (w/the page #'s) also wrong.

Hoosier you just posted that If I could give you this proof, that your man enough to admit the truth. Your not bro! Every1 else is wrong and your right?!

Also You didnt answer Who does create good feminized seeds? For any growers that want to go w/feminized genetics who can they buy them from?

 

[englishrick]

honestly hoos,,,calling it a "piss poor book",,,,,,comon man ,,its not the best book but it deserves some respect

lee,,tell me somethin bro,,,where do you think males come from?

 

[englishrick]

no offence lee,,,,but them quotes didnt seem to make a strong case

 

[JackTheGrower]

Some use CS to reverse a plant and then collect the pollen from that reversed plant to hit other plants. whats wrong with that? people actually drink CS!

I am rereading the thread.

I understand we do not want to get the CS on the soil. It will impact soil life.

But Silver is an element that is generally non-toxic I understand.

Anyone have more on the CS as toxic?

 

[JackTheGrower]

do you guys think cannabis and its plant ancestors were naturally diotious,,,?

LOL I was checking the spelling and looking up the meaning when I see there the bitch-fest actually goes back to the Greeks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diotimus Just a bit of humor..

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dioecious

Well it sure looks to me like this plant has been a part of Human horticulture for a long time and that it may have gone to both sexes on one plant given isolation of stands.

I tend to look at this as a survival trait since male plants can also put on female flowers.

In the case of extreme drought or other conditions some cannabis seems to have the ability to reproduce.
Then again I have seen the expression of male flowers on a female plant in line with the Hermaphrodite parent's timing of that male flower expression ( seed plant ) so it's a diverse trait that doesn't have only one expression or trigger from my limited experience.

You know what? I think it's time to generate some new seeds for my Hermaphrodite. Anyone want some seeds of the Old School 1960's smelling and smoke quality Seed plant? I enjoyed it for sure.. It's like some old Patchouli moving towards Hot Dog.

 

[stagger lee]

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No, I am not wrong. Whoever wrote the piece you provided was wrong. Completely wrong.

Him, me and every other grow book and grow mag Ive listed. You are obviously a "know it all".Just you saying that feminized seeds have never produced a male is so ignorant. These forums are full of growers that have experienced finding a male w/feminized seeds.You even have admitted it in this thread. Oh yeah someone mustve replaced that feminized seed w/ a standard seed.This statement alone shows that you dont know shit,because this is basic breeding knowledge. You dont even have any of these grow books but you sure act like you know so much more than every1 else? Truth is I dont even finish readn your posts anymore. you probably dont have many real life friends huh?

 

[superbolan]

I grew a male out of some dutch passion feminized seeds. when i emailed them they said though unlikely it was possible

 

[JackTheGrower]

I too feel strongly about this, and I think you are simply all fucked up.

And the Truth shall set you free!


loL never a funnier reply.

 

[El Toker]

I am rereading the thread.

I understand we do not want to get the CS on the soil. It will impact soil life.

But Silver is an element that is generally non-toxic I understand.

Anyone have more on the CS as toxic?

It will be toxic at some level, everything is. However, there's a thriving community of tree hugging fruit baskets who use it as a medicine.

USA EPA guidelines state

Although the deposition of silver is permanent, it is not associated with any adverse health effects. No pathologic changes or inflammatory reactions have been shown to result from silver deposition. Silver compounds have been employed for medical uses for centuries. In the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, silver arsphenamine was used in the treatment of syphillis; more recently it has been used as an astringent in topical preparations. While argyria occurred more commonly before the development of antibiotics, it is now a rare occurrence. Greene and Su (1987) have published a review of argyria.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/safety.html

although I've not verified any of this by chasing up references because I'm completely wrecked. I think it might be a bit suspect as they seem to be flogging the stuff.

The short answer seems to be that it doesn't seem to do anything particularly bad in the short term. So it's probably non-toxic and nothing for a gardener to worry about, if you can drink it without suffering ill effects.

I've used feminised seeds a few times. They've been great and I've never had to crack more than one seed to get a keeper and never had a hermi. All male seeds are to me are increased cost and risk, worse than a waste of space. I think that there's a huge amount of money thrown away on seeds that would be much better spent getting the environment right.

I also believe that personal attempts at breeding are futile, as the professionals have to have huge warehouses and huge crops in order to breed stable strains. Spending months crossing two plants and growing out twenty seeds at a time makes absolutely no sense at all when for a fraction of the cost you can buy better genetics over the counter.

 

[Hammerhead]

FYI

there is a reason why we have the ignore feature here just in case you forgot.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I find the intersex gene more akin to genius, than retardation....

I have to agree.. I am rereading so I can come back up to speed but so far I am getting the idea that we have genetics with many hidden talents.
So even if a prized line is good to go and 100% there is always a chance the probabilities will express something new. Otherwise Nature and Evolution would be a fraud.

We should grow many kinds and breed for desired traits than over the generation pick the parents that represent our goals.

I assume we can start with two Hermaphrodite parents ( different strains ) and in time have stable Male and Female genetics.

 

[JackTheGrower]

FYI

there is a reason why we have the ignore feature here just in case you forgot.

Do you mean me? Ignore the wonderful JackTheGrower?

As you wish.. You just never stood up to tell me anything if that's how you feel about me.. that puts a different spin on CS..

LOL I don't get your post actually was that aimed at me?

Ha!

 

[Hammerhead]

not at all jack.

My post was intended for those trying to make it personal and not contributing to the discussion

 

[JackTheGrower]

It will be toxic at some level, everything is. However, there's a thriving community of tree hugging fruit baskets who use it as a medicine.

USA EPA guidelines state



http://www.silvermedicine.org/safety.html

although I've not verified any of this by chasing up references because I'm completely wrecked. I think it might be a bit suspect as they seem to be flogging the stuff.

The short answer seems to be that it doesn't seem to do anything particularly bad in the short term. So it's probably non-toxic and nothing for a gardener to worry about, if you can drink it without suffering ill effects.

I've used feminised seeds a few times. They've been great and I've never had to crack more than one seed to get a keeper and never had a hermi. All male seeds are to me are increased cost and risk, worse than a waste of space. I think that there's a huge amount of money thrown away on seeds that would be much better spent getting the environment right.

I also believe that personal attempts at breeding are futile, as the professionals have to have huge warehouses and huge crops in order to breed stable strains. Spending months crossing two plants and growing out twenty seeds at a time makes absolutely no sense at all when for a fraction of the cost you can buy better genetics over the counter.

You may not vote on any more threads today.

Well I tried.

This is the useful information I am searching this thread for.

I have a female here that is Juicy-fruit and I sure want to get some long term copies of her.

She comes from a Feminized "The Doctor" and is crossed with a male Bubba x OG.

Thank you for taking the time to share.

 

[JackTheGrower]

not at all jack

I'm sorry then.. As you can imagine i am wading through several hundred "Fuck you" posts. I guess I'm infected and may hermi...

 

[Hammerhead]

I better put some hempa filtration on my room our I will get some dust on my buds. What im I saying I grow outdoors I forgot. lol