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why is watering down sativas still a thing?

bigtacofarmer

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You're comparing wildly different potencies. I don't know lab tests of that haze you're speaking of but I'm guessing it's an old strain, with a potency typical for that time, say 5-10 %? Modern strains have easily 25 %+.

Considering that you're saying that smoking 3 times as much gets you really, really stoned. Who would have guessed that.
I never said smoke 3x as much of anything. I said smoke 2 different strains. Both that have been well documented on this site. In whatever quantities you like. And you will have 2 vastly different effects. And thc percentage is a joke. There are plenty of varieties that have under 20% THC that are far more potent than a 27% or higher variety. And if you doubt that. Do an extraction with both varieties so are then dealing with similar THC and cannabinoids level and both varieties will still have totally different effects.
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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its relevant because if the last 5 varieties you have grown all have a lineage that trickles back to girl scout cookies then ofcourse you are going to percieve all of the effects to be similar.

in your quotes you refer to perception then you speak of evidence... which one is it?
Subjective experience can be measured. Look at this paper for example. They give weed to a panel of 150 ish people. The subjects then describe how they enjoy the aroma and then if they like the effect.
Enjoyment of the effect did not correlate with THC levels or terpenes but it correlated well with their enjoyment of the aroma. There was also not a definite consensus what a pleasant aroma is.

 

bigtacofarmer

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Subjective experience can be measured. Look at this paper for example. They give weed to a panel of 150 ish people. The subjects then describe how they enjoy the aroma and then if they like the effect.
Enjoyment of the effect did not correlate with THC levels or terpenes but it correlated well with their enjoyment of the aroma. There was also not a definite consensus what a pleasant aroma is.

Also depends which varieties the tried. Most modern hybrids have a very similar high as they are mostly recombinations of the same few varieties over and over. If they did not sample any truly unique varieties than the study fails to prove much
 

midwestkid

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Subjective experience can be measured. Look at this paper for example. They give weed to a panel of 150 ish people. The subjects then describe how they enjoy the aroma and then if they like the effect.
Enjoyment of the effect did not correlate with THC levels or terpenes but it correlated well with their enjoyment of the aroma. There was also not a definite consensus what a pleasant aroma is.


i dont know bud. i guess you lost me? im not sure what you are trying to get to now?
are they all different or are they all the same?
 

Genghis Kush.

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Also depends which varieties the tried. Most modern hybrids have a very similar high as they are mostly recombinations of the same few varieties over and over. If they did not sample any truly unique varieties than the study fails to prove much
"All cannabis (n = 278 samples, 144 in 2019, 134 in 2020) was compliantly produced and routed through the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission’s (OLCC) regulated supply chain."

the paper established that when faced with 278 versions of cookies, people choose the one that smells best
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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"All cannabis (n = 278 samples, 144 in 2019, 134 in 2020) was compliantly produced and routed through the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission’s (OLCC) regulated supply chain."

the paper established that when faced with 278 versions of cookies, people choose the one that smells best
If this is what you take away then you can also say that cookie cross number 3 and cookie cross number 5 are different.
But this thread establishes that sativa, which is much more heterogenous than cookie crosses, are all kinda the same.
 

bigtacofarmer

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If this is what you take away then you can also say that cookie cross number 3 and cookie cross number 5 are different.
But this thread establishes that sativa, which is much more heterogenous than cookie crosses, are all kinda the same.
Please go into any haze thread and ask if thai, Columbian, Durban and Malawi are the same. And those just the first 4 that come to mind.

What exact point are you trying to prove or disprove? Anyone who has grown a large variety of strains with different origins can tell you all the difference effects as well as flavors. I am not as interested in broad leaf varieties but I have to assume there is also a variety of effects from different origins.
 

midwestkid

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If this is what you take away then you can also say that cookie cross number 3 and cookie cross number 5 are different.
But this thread establishes that sativa, which is much more heterogenous than cookie crosses, are all kinda the same.

once again you state something as fact that simply isnt?

^ "this thread establishes that sativa...." ^

hmmmmm
this same thread im reading here?
im not thinking thats been established ?

are you a real person?
Ive noticed a few different profiles here on ICmag that almost dont seem to feel authentic?
almost seems like somebody types something silly and controversial just to stir the shit pot?
 

bigtacofarmer

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once again you state something as fact that simply isnt?

^ "this thread establishes that sativa...." ^

hmmmmm
this same thread im reading here?
im not thinking thats been established ?

are you a real person?
Ive noticed a few different profiles here on ICmag that almost dont seem to feel authentic?
almost seems like somebody types something silly and controversial just to stir the shit pot?
Read here

 

Orange's Greenhouse

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What exact point are you trying to prove or disprove?
Old people tell us that 40 years ago everything was better and this new stuff is just a fad and soon everyone will come to their senses.

I just find it difficult to take such a materialistic position. With the human experience, especially drug effects, being so subjective the most important factor of weed is leaflet widenese?
 

midwestkid

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Just realized he is also in another thread saying he sees no point in strain names and that he changes the names of what he sells. Probably gonna be impossible to outsmart this genius.

I just saw that as well... I kinda feel like we have a few trolls cruising around lately. but hey, they have us engaging...

im gonna watch the chiefs. im out!
 

bigtacofarmer

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Old people tell us that 40 years ago everything was better and this new stuff is just a fad and soon everyone will come to their senses.

I just find it difficult to take such a materialistic position. With the human experience, especially drug effects, being so subjective the most important factor of weed is leaflet widenese?
If you had access to quality genetics that statement is true. 40 years ago growers kept there projects top secret. Most herb was garbage. But not for those in the know. Think about it. Without good strains to breed with where did today's varieties come from?
 

eastcoastjoe

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I just find it difficult to take such a materialistic position. With the human experience, especially drug effects, being so subjective the most important factor of weed is leaflet widenese?

At this point, you will likely never know. With the way the genepool has been homogenized and bred towards high thc varieties, you will likely never experience the nuances that cannabis has to offer if you base your experience on what is currently available
 

Orange's Greenhouse

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Just realized he is also in another thread saying he sees no point in strain names and that he changes the names of what he sells. Probably gonna be impossible to outsmart this genius.
You know that you can go to 20 dispenseries amd buy 15 different flowers, all testing differently, claiming to be the same?

Unless you buy it directly from the breeder I don't have much trust in names. I worked in metrology. The price difference between sugar from a grocery store and sugar sold by NIST, probably from the same producer, is 1000 fold. The NIST sample comes with 100 pages of paper establishing that this is indeed what it reads on the label.
 

bigtacofarmer

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You know that you can go to 20 dispenseries amd buy 15 different flowers, all testing differently, claiming to be the same?

Unless you buy it directly from the breeder I don't have much trust in names. I worked in metrology. The price difference between sugar from a grocery store and sugar sold by NIST, probably from the same producer, is 1000 fold. The NIST sample comes with 100 pages of paper establishing that this is indeed what it reads on the label.
Most of the people here don't go to dispensaries. In fact most of us do go to the breeder.. and lots of us distinctly search for unique and rare plants. Dispensaries purchase from commercial grows and their top priorities are flower time, yield and bag appeal. Actual quality of high and flavor are barely a consideration.
 

bigtacofarmer

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You know that you can go to 20 dispenseries amd buy 15 different flowers, all testing differently, claiming to be the same?

Unless you buy it directly from the breeder I don't have much trust in names. I worked in metrology. The price difference between sugar from a grocery store and sugar sold by NIST, probably from the same producer, is 1000 fold. The NIST sample comes with 100 pages of paper establishing that this is indeed what it reads on the label.
Plus. That is the name game. If you breed a unique variety and win a cup with it. Next week there will be people selling seeds, clones and flowers using your name and claiming to be that plant or related. All knowing they are lying. Money is king in the industry. Has nothing to do with actual genetics or breeding. Nothing at all.
 

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