why is watering down sativas still a thing?

[iTarzan]

I have switched to growing mostly long flowering sativas indoors. I want stuff the dispensaries don't have and never will have. I want effects not bag appeal. Once smoked the customers will come.

 

[jojo974]

Bonjour

Je suis d accord avec toi ,ici à la réunion depuis que les indica et hybrides sont arrivées il est de plus en plus dur de trouver du vrai zamal comme il y a 20ans les polenisation sauvage donne plein de plantes qui sont là plupart du temps pas très intéressante l effet sativa pur landrace et comme dilué.

 

[numberguy]

I have anecdotal evidence. I say that anecdotal evidence is insufficient. The thread get's presented exclusively anecdotal evidence. And the argument is not settled.
How am I patronizing?

No it's empirical evidence, that said go, to Recent interesting findings page 27 post #527 by Chimera this is the only scientific evidence I have seen explaining why not all high's are the same.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

No it's empirical evidence, that said go, to Recent interesting findings page 27 post #527 by Chimera this is the only scientific evidence I have seen explaining why not all high's are the same.

If you want me to find that post maybe help me out with a link? I'm not having much luck.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Sativa's indoor early 1980s

 

[hamstring]

I saw quite few others agree, so I knew I didn't understand or couldn't comprehend what you said. I have decided to take a break from looking for a good sativa pheno and your post interested me.

I have now grown and smoked around 5 or 6 sativas or haze strains in the last 3 years. Some designed for outdoor northern climates and others for indoors including two of Aces offerings including, A5KH. Either I have a different body chemistry, and I have no problem admitting it could be body chemistry, or a potent sativa is a a oxymoron.

I only dry vape now so I have enjoyed many of the sativa strains I grew, but I ain't huffed nothing potent. Smoking would only reduce potency for me. And, yes I am the type of rope smoker who enjoys potency . Not only potency, but it matters to me.

So if you are saying, "Sativas just don't pack the same punch as a indica or indica hybrid", I am listening, because its takes a lot of time and work pheno hunting for something with potency.

EDIT: I did't read much of the thread until after I posted. Don't want to give the impressions I am taking anyones side. I only report on my own experiences, I have no dog in this hunt, just an old guy looking for information.

This post was bugging me for sometime. Not because what I said wasn't a true account of my experience but because I was genuinely disappointed that I wasn't able to find anything positive about my sativa experience.

I decided I was going to open back up the jar of Aces AK5H and give it another go. I had vaped plenty of it before but this time I was going to do a better job of paying attention to my experience.

I had been vaping some Sherbet Cream Pie from my last years outdoor grow. Thats the only thing I had vaped in a month or two.

I was now very familiar with the effects Sherbet Cream Pie . I was pretty sure that would make it easier to detect small changes in another weeds effects, more noticeable than if you had been smoking multiple strains before hand.

Well I have been vaping AK5H for a month know and here are my findings. The setup is always longer than the answer, weird.

AK5H doesn't hit me as hard as the SCP. That straight up dumb/retarded feeling you get from a heavy indica. Its not just the body stone its also your cognitive powers are set back, in a good way mind you.

The problem is that heavy stoned feeling only last 30-40 minutes then you have to huff another bag. No issues really to keep the effect going, but the fact still remains the peak high is 30 minutes after that the effect drops 50 % ( for me).

With AK5H it takes me a bag and half to get blotto and yes after 30-40 minutes you come down but only by maybe 15-20% and this can last up to 2hrs. To be fair I would say at 2hrs the effect has lost another 10-15% ,but still way better than indica.

I still love indicas because of the peak high and for other reasons. I grew up smoking mexican brick but all 30 years of guerrilla growing have been with indicas and/or early indicas. I cant grow a long flowering sativa here in northern IL - southern WI.

I will say , if I could grow AK5H outside or if there was a really potent pheno out there, I would grow it again. That long lasting effect is not a small difference in my opinion.

 

[Chi13]

But as mentioned by others some tastebuds of people are not the same of others so don't experience the flavours as well or at all like others do , and some don't care I guess ? , but that doesn't make sense to me but each to his/her own.

For me exotic Cannabis has exotic taste not just exotic High.

I say to my friends I love weed as long as it has 1 of the 2 factors( Grail is both) at A plus standards

Potency/flavour

I've had strains like Soma's NYCD Red Grapefruit cut that had a very light High , but the taste was so special I can never get bored of that taste , loved to smoke it back in the day ( not seen it in well over a decade)

Then had G13 hybrids with G13 dominant phenos that didn't taste good at all( not bad but mediocre), but was insanely strong and special, 3 x as strong as your next strongest jar.

Both of these types I enjoy and seek

But best ever jars are both taste/High and that's the Grail, but either of 2 above have great value for me , for smoking and breeding.

I'd forgotten this thread so sorry for late reply.

I use cannabis in a few ways, vape, smoke, and edibles. I like the way a good sativa can express slight differences in the way the high is.

One of my favourite ways is to grind up decarbed bud into capsules. When I do this I get no flavour from the bud, I just swallow, but the beautiful high is still there for hours.

I like good tasting cannabis when I vape, and can very much appreciate it, but I would not stick with the variety if the high wasn't there. If I liked a catpiss high better than a blueberry high I would go for the catpiss.

 

[EExtinct]

I'd forgotten this thread so sorry for late reply.

I use cannabis in a few ways, vape, smoke, and edibles. I like the way a good sativa can express slight differences in the way the high is.

One of my favourite ways is to grind up decarbed bud into capsules. When I do this I get no flavour from the bud, I just swallow, but the beautiful high is still there for hours.

I like good tasting cannabis when I vape, and can very much appreciate it, but I would not stick with the variety if the high wasn't there. If I liked a catpiss high better than a blueberry high I would go for the catpiss.

Doesnt the thc still have to be dissolved in a fat?

 

[Chi13]

Doesnt the thc still have to be dissolved in a fat?

No, I used to think the same, but tried it after reading a thread on here.

 

[RobFromTX]

i know i'm just being a cantankerous old man shaking my fist at the wind, but i'm really tired of the dispensaries in my area being saturated with commercial hybrids and LITERALLY ZERO real sativas, and then to see these attitudes from a bygone era still muddying the overton window when it comes to cannabis.

I had this explained to me by dispensary owner in Seattle a few years back. The sad fact of the matter is that dispensaries simply cant afford to invest in alternatives. The average customer is not just paying for the bud, they're paying for the smells, the tastes, jacked up thc levels and even the colors over the quality of the effects, which is the "bag appeal" of commercial hybrids. Ace honduras is my favorite sativa, straight lightning euphoria. But no way in hell are you going to get most customers to pay $10 a gram for that bud, much less 20. Not for the weed in the photo below. And at that point, when you consider the time and effort it takes to grow a good sativa, the cost becomes prohibitive, especially for the grower. Most sativas simply dont have that bag appeal that mainstream patients really like and are willing to pay for.

Just be glad we still have banks like green mountain and ace seeds to carry the torch. And above all create a massive seed stash like ive done to prepare for the day that cannabis gets completely absorbed by the og cookie establishment

 

[CharlesU Farley]

One of my favourite ways is to grind up decarbed bud into capsules. When I do this I get no flavour from the bud, I just swallow, but the beautiful high is still there for hours.

I've been doing this for 6+ years now, without vaping or smoking, and occasionally when Harley is grinding and stuffing the vape, I _do_ miss the sensory aspect of cannabis.

But every morning I wake up and I'm not wheezing or coughing, I can deal with it.

 

[Prs2xs]

I've been doing this for 6+ years now, without vaping or smoking, and occasionally when Harley is grinding and stuffing the vape, I _do_ miss the sensory aspect of cannabis.

But every morning I wake up and I'm not wheezing or coughing, I can deal with it.

I really miss smoking, but covid just about killed me, and now my lungs are not the same - can't smoke at all. So now I make tincture with everclear, and it works very well, but now I miss having the variety I used to enjoy when smoking.
I hope to be able to smoke again, but time will tell!

 

[Rgd]

I just don't get a proper high vaping and imho the taste is generic..I have a vape here for friends who only will vape

chaque a son gue

 

[PlastikeRubba]

I bred for columnar sativas. I liked to cram 6 plant where most people put one. For commercial purpose. Ended up with indica dna that create tight internodes, tight buds, no side branching.

That's an era of weed everyone misses. Not all indica dna create retard plants.

I just don't get a proper high vaping and imho the taste is generic..I have a vape here for friends who only will vape

chaque a son gue

Then you don't get high, and have never tasted weed. You just puff smoke.


Legality, isn't it great. No one thinks weed is a drug anymore.

 

[Hiddenjems]

i get the 80s and 90s where people were needing to cut flowering times and stretching for clandestine grows, but nowadays where many places are decriminalized (no places on earth are truly legal, afaik, but still...)

like this chem t haze strain where they mixed chem and haze and then crossed that to a cookies strain? like wtf? why even waste the haze in that one, might as well have just grew the cookies.

and then i saw a sales page for chasca where the seller nonchalantly says to select for small internode distance and short flowering times... like obviously i'd do what i want, but why even put that out there? what a silly thing to recommend to potential customers who are likely there looking for effect, and if they aren't, they can figure it out themselves.

i know i'm just being a cantankerous old man shaking my fist at the wind, but i'm really tired of the dispensaries in my area being saturated with commercial hybrids and LITERALLY ZERO real sativas, and then to see these attitudes from a bygone era still muddying the overton window when it comes to cannabis.

i'm really glad to see so many booming sativa threads on icmag, but when will the market finally settle on the correct answers on diversity?

caffeine comedown induced rant?

over.

It’s simple. Why grow a plant that takes 14 weeks to get the same amount of product you can get in 8 weeks?

It’s sad. But to get more sativa in the zone people would have to pay 2x as much for sativa vs indica/hybrid.

I think there was more sativa and sativa dominant flower available in the 80’s-90’s. It was just $400+ a zip.

The people I know that grow for a living all have single sativa plants in the corner of their flower room for personal smoke. Nobody sells it though. All 8 week hybrids that are pretty boring, but really potent.

 

[Chi13]

I just don't get a proper high vaping and imho the taste is generic..I have a vape here for friends who only will vape

chaque a son gue

IME the opposite is the case. I felt like I never really tasted cannabis before switching to vaping. Tasted some beautiful weed over the years, far from generic.