Why go 24 hours lights on??

[Japanfreakier]

So put me on your ignore list, then take me off to peek at what I say, lol. Nasa. lol

So to paraphrase this guy, what he's saying is that if you can get your lights down close enough to supply more light in a shorter time you can go 18/6 instead of 24/7

That's cute and you'll see a lot of commercial growers who grow shitty weed keep their lights inches from the top of their canopies, but look around at the more experienced growers and you'll notice that most of them like to keep their lights much much higher. In the real world people aren't able to get their lights low enough without burning them that you can do what he is saying. For the majority of growers, especially those not using 1k lights, we know that we have quicker cycles by going 24/7, but the majority of the people who try 24/7 end up sticking with it because it works. They didn't need to read a Nasa paper to tell them what's in front of their face. They didn't need some punk to tell them about heat stress like they've never heard of it before. They know because they know their gardens better than anybody.

 

[Japanfreakier]

I have in fact noticed how many people say 24/7. I think this is for other reasons; experience, despite what people think or say,

So you're another guy who thinks you know people's gardens more than them. Figures. You two are a perfect couple, have fun.

 

[statusquo]

So to paraphrase this guy, what he's saying is that if you can get your lights down close enough to supply more light in a shorter time you can go 18/6 instead of 24/7

Again, this is NOT what he is saying. It's closer than your last attempt to paraphrase but still missing the bigger picture/important parts. I just want to make sure other people aren't just reading your one sentence summary of pages and pages of research by universities/other credible sources. I'm going to take Spurr's advice here and not try and explain it - READ THE SOURCE PEOPLE. If not, don't make an opinion at all, certainly don't just spout what Japan says.

So you're another guy who thinks you know people's gardens more than them. Figures. You two are a perfect couple, have fun.

No. You have reading comprehension problems man =/ It seems like it stems from laziness and I hope this is the case because the alternative is a lot worse for you. But yes, I do enjoy Spurr's company and contributions, a lot actually. I'm flaterred that you think we would be a perfect couple! lol.

 

[VIKINGtrich]

Hahahahaha I am a white person. That is the Vulcan "Tuvok" from Star Trek Voyager - a black actor by the name of Tim Russ. In a nutshells, vulcans are known for their strict adherence, application and admiration of logic/pursuit of the truth - sometimes they take it too far! (we are humans and need the emotional component of our existence, pure logic is bad just like pure lack of it)

OH! Then nevermind, I dont like White People..They are evil racist bastards that need to be put down....except me, Im a good whitey....lol....

dont mind me, Im just mucking up the arguement going on in here..... But I do love you guys, and would love to see nothing more than all 3 of you kiss and make-up, possibly a group hug?

By the way, to stay on topic, Ive done 24/0, 20/4, 18/6 and even 16/8....i gotta say, 24/0 is very, VERY righteous.....and it feels good....

 

[statusquo]

Well apparently Spurr and I already are a couple! .... hahaha and I got nothin against Japan. We are merely having a discourse - I've praised Japs works in other threads and in this one before. I have used all of the aforementioned lighting schedules (with flouros and CMH before) and personally I'm going to go with 18/6 w/ HIDs and 20/4 when I have flouros. This seemed to support my observations about my personal grow but the difference wasn't too noticeable between anything between 18/20 - just between those and 24/0. Didn't seem worth the extra cash (HIDs) and I thought they looked 'healthier' when given some dark time. But ya this is just supposition and my feelings.

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

theres a reason why japanfreiker is on my ignore list as a proud member, dont sweat the light cycle to much normal people, its not that big of a deal to let your plants rest a little.

 

[guambomb813]

Seriously either keep your posts on track with INFORMATION. none of us are here to listen to adults argue. There's no point in continuing a redundant argument you've shared over basically this entire thread.

Come on find some civility.

 

[Greyskull]

Why go 24 hours lights on??

My question is will they really grow that much faster. reducing my grow time? By how much? It would usually take 3-months at 18/6 to get them to flowering size....


How much will 24/0 cut off this time and how much better growth can i expect.

Sorry i didnt see this earlier when i replied (hogsbreath in the am is sooooooo good haha)...

Mathmatically/theoretically going from 18/6 to 24/0 would mean a 25% difference in growth

Realistically speaking i bet you'd be ready to go in 75 days instead of 90.... So youd be shaving off 2 weeks...

Thats based on how plants have grown for me.

Try it! You tell us!!!
Aloha

Edit: i bet power consumption goes up 25% haha itd be cool to know how you feel about the difference in growth and cost associated with that difference

 

[Japanfreakier]

Again, this is NOT what he is saying. It's closer than your last attempt to paraphrase but still missing the bigger picture/important parts. I just want to make sure other people aren't just reading your one sentence summary of pages and pages of research by universities/other credible sources. I'm going to take Spurr's advice here and not try and explain it - READ THE SOURCE PEOPLE. If not, don't make an opinion at all, certainly don't just spout what Japan says.

lol, you can't explain it any better than I did but it's cute that you think you've got some understanding there.

 

[Japanfreakier]

By the way, to stay on topic, Ive done 24/0, 20/4, 18/6 and even 16/8....i gotta say, 24/0 is very, VERY righteous.....and it feels good....

According to them you are mistaken, but it's because you don't understand your garden like they do, oh if only you understood what they do the world would be your oyster.

 

[Hammerhead]

man u guys still talkin about this go smoke a bowl

 

[Rukind]

It seems like spurr has put a lot of thought and time into all of the information he is sharing with us. I appreciate it. I dont see post with that much information very often. this is what we need to keep learning and moving forward. I can only imagine all the time spurr has put into growing and learning.

japan.. let go of the ego a little. I dont see how he is threatening you or the way you grow. he isn't telling you how to grow, he is just pointing out that some of your methods are incorrect. its not a big deal. keep growing the same and remain ignorant if you choose to do so. Also, I liked your information on hempy buckets i read on another website a while ago. i have done pretty well with hempy buckets because of hempy's post as well as yours.

 

[Japanfreakier]

What he is doing is insisting that everybody who uses 24/7 and says they see the fastest growth are idiots.

Like known of us know the right height to hang our lights for our gardens. Honestly I just think some people will ever get it.

 

[smokefrogg]

the bickering, seriously

so many times you try to find some good information, you just end up going through countless pages of bickering as you mine it for a few golden nuggets of information

maybe it's just motivation to try something other than 24/0 myself and see with my own eyes ya' know? well thanks for the motivation haha, hope the arguers do smoke a bowl and chill out, peace!

 

[Japanfreakier]

I suggest everybody try every schedule, seriously.

 

[growshopfrank]

Rooting hormones such as IBA and NAA come from source tissue, which are leafs. Sink tissue is roots. Rooting hormones are made in leafs and moved to roots, for cuttings (without roots) sink tissue is the basal end.

Spraying rooting hormones as foliar is the better application for cuttings vs. dipping basal end when taking a cutting. But using both gives the best results. I have tested this many times with specific rooting hormones, etc.

Thanks you just inspired me I'm cracking open a bottle of roots and some DM saturator tomorrow and will let you how that compares to regular dipping without foliar

 

[!!!]

I usually run 24/0 because I'm too lazy to set up the timer. I turn the lamps on and say "when I come back I'll set the timer" and before I know it, I'm starting 12/12.

I have tried 16/8, 18/6, 24/0 and found zero difference on the plants between all 3.

 

[ibjamming]

It's not worth all this fighting...it really isn't. How long ARE they in veg anyway? A few weeks? It doesn't make THAT much difference. Do whatever light schedule you want or can afford.

 

[El Toker]

It's not worth all this fighting...it really isn't. How long ARE they in veg anyway? A few weeks? It doesn't make THAT much difference. Do whatever light schedule you want or can afford.

I think this thread should be made a sticky and called "growing in darkness a high yield technique".

The "Dark period of the Calvin cycle is essential" is my favourite piece of psuedo-science bullshit in this thread. Although that's Nobel Laureate stuff compared to the "growing by the moon" thread, underneath it, full off gardening "information" straight from the 14th Century and completely by-passing the last few centuries of scientific advancement.

I was recommending this forum to beginners earlier this year, now I can't do that any longer in good conscience because all the decent information I read is buried under posts by idiots who haven't got a clue what they're talking about but don't let that get in the way of arguing.

 

[TriWingGirl]

Wow

Wow

Wow What fabulous info i got. Between the fellas back fighting with each other. then there is the guy that pics apart everything.

Guy's this is just like every other site. full of guy's trying to be better and more knowledgeable than the next guy or trying to prove the last guy is a big idiot. Real grown up guys.

I get it know. this post is about light and using as much as you can no matter how it burns your plant move it closer and make it bigger. real smart guys.

My question was if i change from 18/6 to 24/0 how much fast will they grow. how much will it lessen my grow cycle by. My question was about time. not NASA I wanted a simple answer not the encyclopedia