who here REALLY fuqn knows their GH NUTeS ?

[inflorescence]

I just had a mini revelation the other night. ( i'm slow, bear with me lol )
It dawned on me that FNB and lucas are the EXACT same thing except the FNB is three times as concentrated.

8 ml micro + 16 ml bloom = 8 ml FNB. The ratios and ppms are identical. I think FNB has some humic acid added. That would be the only difference besides concentration.

Also, the FNG is similar except that it is almost 4x as concentrated.
so
8 ml micro + 24 ml grow = ~8 ml FNG but the ratios are not as near exact as FNB

 

[inflorescence]

That's a very nice plant for that size pot.


BTW, what's the ppm of your starting tap?

 

[Guest]

i add calmag plus to add calcium and magnesium which the lucas formula lack...my plants are much greener since i put the cal-mag plus in the mix...it seems to have made my roots more healthy as well...peace

Why do you add cal mag plus to the lucas? how is it different?

 

[Guest]

i add calmag plus to add calcium and magnesium which the lucas formula lack...my plants are much greener since i put the cal-mag plus in the mix...it seems to have made my roots more healthy as well...peace

Just as a side note - I was following Lucas around (he's currently answering questions at another forum) and he's somewhat changed his preference for the formula due to having to add CalMag to PBPB. He swapped over to Floranova Bloom, as it does not require the addition of the additive. The '1 nute' solution so to speak for those interested....

 

[Farmer John]

I use 2 parts of the GH flora series... Micro and Bloom... Only thing I add is a tiny bit of epsom salts... I'm right there with the 'No additives needed' and the 'less is more' crowd...

One of the important things to remember when growing with GH, is that, in order to get the best tasting and smoking product, a bit of the potential yield has to be sacrificed... You're never going to get top quality by pushing for top yield.

Thats how I see it bro, at the moment I use all 3 G/M/B giving the plants half of what the bottle says and it works like voodoo lol, no additives of any kind and havent even checked ph in months now that I know what my plants like, if I get a new strain I start from the very minimum of nutrients and up them if the plant takes it well, also the weed burns much cleaner the less nutes I use, almost like my soil grown plants but not quite lol..anyhoo, I use so little nutes these days that it makes me laugh, and plants look like this:

The more shit you put in the more problems you get imo, its much nicer to grow plants anyway when you dont have to worry them gettin burned or something like that, I dont have that problem anymore...less is more, yields have dropped maybe 10-20% but quality got 100% better, again some might think im a tool and talking from my ass but thats just the way it goes, at least think it is, I save nutes and nerves and get superclean, good tasting weed.

 

[Guest]

fantastic plant farmer john...and the people that have grown for a while know your not talking out your ass...the ones who think you are...will have your view in about 5 more years...peace

 

[inflorescence]

Why do you add cal mag plus to the lucas? how is it different?

i add calmag plus to add calcium and magnesium which the lucas formula lack...my plants are much greener since i put the cal-mag plus in the mix...it seems to have made my roots more healthy as well...peace

Just as a side note - I was following Lucas around (he's currently answering questions at another forum) and he's somewhat changed his preference for the formula due to having to add CalMag to PBPB. He swapped over to Floranova Bloom, as it does not require the addition of the additive. The '1 nute' solution so to speak for those interested....

That's what I don't understand brainthor.
Lucas formula and FNB have the exact same amounts of Ca and Mg so if lucas is lacking in Ca Mg then so is FNB but I never hear anyone needing to add cal mag to their FNB??

 

[Neptune]

Farmer John,

I just don't believe you.
You say yeild has dropped by using less nutes? I have seen the opposite!
My yeild and quality have both gone up by sticking to a Lucas formula of about 800 ppm in rockwool, and a PBP/calmag of 800ppm in coco!

What many posters have said, and what Lucas has taught us all along (with the help of PH) is that Less is more, KISS and all that jazz.

I use the GH Lucas, and recently have used FloraNova Bloom with amazingly great result, only adds I use is hydrogaurd and fulvic acid(mostly as a PH stablizer with hydroton).

 

[Guest]

That's a very nice plant for that size pot.

BTW, what's the ppm of your starting tap?

ty... my tap water is 125-150 ppm.

 

[Farmer John]

Haha Neptune well, those were just some quick calculations but I have seen a small drop in yields but like I said, the quality is something else, almost like organic soilgrown plants...oh yeah and I dont check ph or ppm anymore, I check the plants and start fro mthe very minimum to see how much they can take...and maybe the yields have dropped because my bulb is getting old lmao...

 

[Haps]

The cal mag thing with FNB/FLB at the Lucas ratio is a strain dependant thing, some will need it, some can get by without it. I just add it at a very low level for all my bloom nutes, and that seems to work. So my mix is FNB/FLB/Calmag/Fulvic - no zymes or bullshit for my roots, becasue I deal with heat at an environmental level, so I don't need that crap. I sit here and shake my head every time I read about h202, zymnes, and clearex, hehehe, like water don't flush mari just fine if ya do'er right.
H

 

[Getawaymonkey!]

I use 2 parts of the GH flora series... Micro and Bloom... Only thing I add is a tiny bit of epsom salts... I'm right there with the 'No additives needed' and the 'less is more' crowd...

One of the important things to remember when growing with GH, is that, in order to get the best tasting and smoking product, a bit of the potential yield has to be sacrificed... You're never going to get top quality by pushing for top yield.

Exactly spot on.
Simple,cheaper and less shit to **** up

 

[Guest]

One of the important things to remember when growing with GH, is that, in order to get the best tasting and smoking product, a bit of the potential yield has to be sacrificed... You're never going to get top quality by pushing for top yield.

Does this hold true for other nute lines as well or is it because of the fact that GH is mineral based?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

across the board, too much N too late in flower... and not enough flush, will result in less than the best....

 

[terran2]

across the board, too much N too late in flower... and not enough flush, will result in less than the best....

for sure ...whats the general concensus of GH's Floralicious plus & bloom ...thumbs up or thumbs down ?

tia

t2

 

[terran2]

tap water, flora nova and hygrozyme once in a while, nothing else.

Just have to ask what strain that is u have in the 1gal pot 40G?

What did you grow that PK in & also using Flora Nova on that too ?

tia /cheers

t2

 

[Neptune]

I stopped using the Floralicious plus, merely becuase it stains just about everything.

 

[terran2]

I stopped using the Floralicious plus, merely becuase it stains just about everything.

Have to agree ....its nice to have white roots to look at like 40grit's above in the 1gals (and with flora Nova too) . Since the health of the roots when " in the zone" are nice n' white , having them stained brown takes away that one extra measure of a good grow to go on . Have used flora+ very sparingly so far and maybe just foliar the rest on hand ...but you can really do some damage with that stuff in foliar to, if too heavy .

Prolly as much trouble than its worth , its all in the strain ....those roots are just beautiful in those 40G 1 gal shots...and nice spikes too . Seems that a transplant from 1gal to 2gal Coco/perl and then flower might just be the golden road ...or just go into 2gl pots and flowr at 15-18" .

(funny , were all looking for that "happy medium" , right combo of diet & exercise .... & that perfect lady !

cheers

t2

PS: met a guy that does 5gal coco -----> and just does pure MONSTERS with ODY ....not sure if i want to run too many of that Odyssey though , thanks to you & you're recent & latest reports ---->will go with the "Hindu God" lol...

 

[Guest]

Just have to ask what strain that is u have in the 1gal pot 40G?

What did you grow that PK in & also using Flora Nova on that too ?

tia /cheers

t2

it's a 6", half gallon pot. the plant is a chemdog #4 which yeilded better than i thought it would.

the purple plant, aka gdp, urkle, grape ape, gods gift, pk, etc. is in a coco/hyroton mix. and used gh nutes.

 

[terran2]

thanks FG , never grown out a chem anything yet....going to do a 1/2 run of HK's from SR and go into 2gals which should be more than ample ...

Was going to give AN a try , but said to 'ell with that ,
just sticking with GH

* had to cut my PK's a little early, they do form up nice nugs but the waiting on the plane is too much . Have a GDP cut that does its purps thing about 20 days in .

good job ...how's the smoke ?

;o)

PS: have alot of once~used Coco/perlite and rinsed it thru & thru with a final H202 5gal wash to sterilize . Got most all older roots out ....should be reusable for one more round ? tia