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Montuno

...como el Son...
I haven't left the country in 15 years, and had to save all year to afford the week I did leave for. Yes, the ones you seem to aspire to copy, saved all year for that Holliday, and they are doing better than most. Your view of Britain is not accurate.

Venga ya. No estás hablando con alguien de otro continente; que hemos sido ambos U.E. hasta ayer, e incluso compartimos una pequeña frontera terrestre. Yo sé bien cuánto os cuesta al cambio de vuestro nivel de vida medio, las vacaciones en Magaluf.
Y sé que la clase obrera media puede costearsela no ya a ellos, sino a sus hijos en solitario, año tras año.
Igual que se donde veranean esos padres (no en Magaluf), o las familias británicas con mejor poder adquisitivo, hasta llegar al nivel de nuestro queridísimo Sean Connery (hasta que tuvo que huir a Bahamas, je, je...)


Come on. You are not talking to someone from another continent; we have both been E.U. until yesterday, and even share a small land border. I know well how much it costs you in exchange for your average standard of living, vacations in Magaluf.
And I know that the average working class can afford it not only for themselves, but for their children alone, year after year.
Just as I know where those parents spend their holidays (not in Magaluf), or the British families with best purchasing power, up to the level of our beloved Sean Connery (until he had to flee to the Bahamas, heh, heh...).
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
I get emotional over seeing dogs mistreated....so I'm biased anyway lol humans aren't my fave species

To me, from a different culture and I don't know if it's a different race (I don't give a damn), it happens to me like you...
And I know that there are many other humans very different from me, but at the same time so alike that we think alike in something as deep and intimate as this, without any religion or common ideology has instilled it in us....:
This is not flight from a combat front, or from a scene of misery:
They ran over their dog; "just" that.... Sometimes, with my age, my sarcasm, my nihilism, and all the armor I wear, I still surprise myself empathizing with the stranger, with the other, with the one I have only seen in a photo and will never see again; to see how similar we are in the deepest love and pain, even if he is of another age, culture or country... to the point that if I could be with him, I would not know whether to comfort him, or embrace him to cry together...
As a tribute to your dog, and to you; whoever you are, wherever you are...

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GMT

The Tri Guy
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Unless you're in Wales or Scotland, we don't share a land border. Which average? Mean , median or modal?
Again, you see a tiny section of British people, we are not all like that. Nor do we all live like James bond.
If you really think Britain is that great, move here, everyone else seems to. If you want to see typical English life, watch Charles veitch on you tube. He wanders around Manchester every day just filming every day life. Or go to an English property site and work out how much it costs to live here, then an energy supplier and see how much we pay, then an employment site and see how much you could earn here, and work out how much you will have left each month. That's if you don't need clothes, food, a car or a pension. And that's assuming you have no family to take care of.
What most don't get is that the average person doesn't earn the average income. A few at the top shift the mean average away from the median. And even that's greater than the modal.
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
Worse is paying them to stay home and have more kids. We tried that in the UK, there are generations of people who seem to have children they can't afford as an occupation. The more kids you have, the greater your income and the bigger the council house you get. Be responsible and don't have children you can't afford and you get nothing.
I'm all for a universal income for everyone, rich and poor alike. Anything you earn on top is then what separates you. Any bad decisions you make, you pay for. Watch the rush for work then and the single parent family numbers will plummet.

Bromeando:
Maldita sea, si es que estos blancos no saben lo que quieren... Primero se quejan si nos los follamos a ellos, luego se quejan si nos follamos entre nosotros....

Kidding:
Damn if these white people don't know what they want..... First they complain if we fuck them, then they complain if we fuck each other between ourselves....
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
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We don't care who you fuck, if you pay for your own kids and stop asking others to pay for them.
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
Unless you're in Wales or Scotland, we don't share a land border. Which average? Mean , median or modal?
Again, you see a tiny section of British people, we are not all like that. Nor do we all live like James bond.
If you really think Britain is that great, move here, everyone else seems to. If you want to see typical English life, watch Charles veitch on you tube. He wanders around Manchester every day just filming every day life. Or go to an English property site and work out how much it costs to live here, then an energy supplier and see how much we pay, then an employment site and see how much you could earn here, and work out how much you will have left each month. That's if you don't need clothes, food, a car or a pension. And that's assuming you have no family to take care of.
What most don't get is that the average person doesn't earn the average income. A few at the top shift the mean average away from the median. And even that's greater than the modal.

Otra de tópicos...:
Ya te lo he aclarado antes, haber si consigo que te enteres ahora: Como con el ejemplo británico no me entiendes, y te quedas en un superficial (yo soy británico y tu no; no sabes de qué hablas) te pondré el ejemplo de Francia...:
Mira, yo conozco de sobra lo que se "cuece" en las afueras de Marsella u París "todas las noches": esos guetos son equivalentes a las "junglas de bloques" de tu país en los que tu piensas cuando me respondes ( esa no es la clase media obrera de tu país; está por debajo). En mi opinión, son más duros que los guetos británicos. Pero ningún francés pensaría que yo soy tan tonto para pensar que esa es la clase media francesa.... Ni de qué es mejor quedarse en Haití, je...

Pareces pensar que las medias económicas se calculan en el resto del mundo de manera diferente a en Gran Bretaña: no te hace falta ir muy lejos, pues en mi país la "vida/sueldo" medio está mucho más distorsionada por la desigualdad que en el tuyo.

Y creo pareces olvidar la enorme cantidad de juventud licenciada universitaria española que está emigrada a tu país, aún trabajando de camareros, porque simplemente las oportunidades que les brinda tu país no las encuentran en un país que no sabe estimar su valor.

Por cierto, espero aún me corrijáis cuando yo a su vez califique de exageradas ciertos comentarios sobre la educación pública británica, y pregunté si era diferente a la que conozco en Gibraltar.

​​​​​​Por último, corregirte sobre los conceptos geográficos sobre tu nación: ni Gales ni Escocia tienen frontera terrestre con el Reino Unido puesto que ambas son Reino Unido. Que yo sepa, el Reino Unido solo tiene frontera terrestre en Europa con República de Irlanda (la mayor con muchísima diferencia) y el trocito con mi país.


​​​​​​Another one of clichés....:
I have already made it clear to you before, let's see if I can make you understand now: as with the British example you don't understand me, and you remain superficial (I am British and you are not; you don't know what you are talking about) I will give you the example of France....:
Look, I know very well what is "cooking" in the outskirts of Marseille or Paris "every night": those ghettos are equivalent to the "jungles of blocks" of your country that you think of when you answer me ( that's not the working middle class of your country; it's below). In my opinion, they are tougher than the British ghettos. But no French would think that I am so stupid to think that that is the French middle class.... Nor of what is better to stay in Haiti, heh....

You seem to think that economic averages are calculated differently in the rest of the world than in Britain: you don't need to go very far, for in my country the average "life/wage" is much more distorted by inequality than in yours.

And I think you seem to forget the huge number of young Spanish university graduates who are emigrating to your country, still working as waiters, because they simply cannot find the opportunities that your country offers them in a country that does not know how to appreciate their value.

By the way, I hope you still correct me when I in turn described as exaggerated certain comments about British public education, and asked if it was different from the one I know in Gibraltar.

Finally, to correct you on the geographical concepts about your nation: neither Wales nor Scotland have a land border with the United Kingdom since both are the United Kingdom. As far as I know, the UK only has a land border in Europe with the Republic of Ireland (the largest by far) and the small piece with my country.
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GMT

The Tri Guy
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They are sea borders, and I live in England. UK is not a country, it's a collection of countries, hence the United in its name, United under one crown, or ruler. Admittedly not a king, but still.
A business anywhere will give jobs to whomever is able to do them the best for the lowest wages. That's how they make the largest profits for their owners. If those educated students who move here for economic reasons, were doctors or computer engineers, they would be given highly paid jobs. If they have degrees in gender studies or interpretational dance however, they may find it hard to get a job anywhere. You keep talking about averages, well the average person in the UK is not middle class, that's what you don't get. Middle and upper class combined still don't total the number of working class, and then you have the under class.
Yes I do think you have a distorted view, and yes I think my view is clearer after 50 years of living here. I don't think that's superficial.
Given that Spain has the 4th greatest life expectancy in the world, and is the 14th largest economy, and you're grumbling about other countries being richer, perhaps you should be grumbling to your government about their handling of the economy, or working to improve it. People abandoning their own country, and then complaining that another country won't lay out the red carpet for them, seems a bit entitled. Are you by any chance a millennial?
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
En absoluto. Ninguna de mis matizaciones a las exageraciones y distorsiones que le he echo a el o a Gypsy han sido corregidas:
De echo, vuelve a incurrir en los errores de antes, cuando me ha comentado como argumento "UK no es igualitario ni socialista", ,o "que la desigualdad de UK distorsiona los datos macroeconómicos al pasarlos a microeconómicos"... Ya le dije que más al Sur todo es Disneylandia.
Ahora resulta que me va a explicar también que estoy equivocado y que ni Gales ni Escocia son parte del Reino Unido, y que Reino Unido no tiene frontera terrestre con la República de Irlanda ni con España.... Madre mía, si ve qué anda perdido por su nación, quizá pueda decirle donde pillar buena hierba de Jaén y Granada por Manchester.... Además, que sale con la tangente de las diferencias territoriales británicas, cuando el Reino Unido está más centralizado que E.U.A o España... Mira, no solo conozco el rollo de la union de países bajo una corona, sino también se que esos "países" tienen menos autonomía respecto a Londres que los Estados de E.U.A. respecto a Washington o a las Comunidades Autónomas españolas respecto a Madrid: pero eso sigue sin dar por válidas sus apreciaciones geográficas sobre el Reino Unido, ni su presentación del sistema público educacional británico metropolitano ("probablemente muy diferente al de Gibraltar"(?)) como una máquina de discriminar blancos, o la presentación de las esperanzas de futuro de la juventud obrera británica blanca en tiempos de Gypsy cómodo fuera Guinea Ecuatorial...

Lo de que mi discurso es como si me quejara por vivir en un país más pobre (pero del mundo rico), te lo inventas para desviar que desmonte tus exageraciones. Y tus recomendaciones para mí por vivir en la 14 potencia económica...no deberías habertelas aplicado a ti antes, que vives más alto en el ranking? (Lo de que tengamos la 4 mejor esperanza de vida y os superemos, es más la dieta y los hábitos higienicos, ya lo sabes: has caído en lo difícil que lo tienen los pobres británicos o estadounidenses para encontrar tiendas de frutas, verduras o pescado fresco, aparte la diferente dieta)
Por supuesto, mi intervención solo es para corregir estás distorsiones/exageraciones, que van derivadas hacia donde sabemos dónde: entre la migración , los judíos, los negros, los hispanos, los moros, los socialistas, y su
​​​​puta madre Kalergi, vamos a ver cómo al final, gracias a un análisis bien simplista (para que todos se puedan sumar) podremos culpar de nuestros males a cualquier objetivo (por supuesto más débil que nosotros) que nos mantenga lo bastante distraídos como para seguir unos cuantos siglos mirando sombras en el fondo de una caverna.
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Dixi.

Not at all. None of my clarifications to the exaggerations and distortions that I have made to him or Gypsy have been corrected:
In fact, he is again making the same mistakes as before, when he commented to me as an argument "UK is not egalitarian or socialist", ,or "that UK inequality distorts macroeconomic data by passing it to microeconomic data".... I already told you that further south everything is Disneyland.
Now it turns out that he is also going to explain to me that I am wrong and that neither Wales nor Scotland are part of the UK, and that the UK has no land border with the Republic of Ireland or Spain..... My goodness, if he sees what he's lost for his nation, maybe I can tell him where to pick up some good weed from Jaen and Granada by Manchester.... Also, who goes off on a tangent about British territorial differences, when the UK is more centralized than the U.S.A. or Spain? Look, not only do I know about the union of countries under one crown, but I also know that those "countries" have less autonomy with respect to London than the U.S. States with respect to Washington or the Spanish Autonomous Communities with respect to Madrid: but that still does not validate your geographical assessments about the UK, nor your presentation of the metropolitan British public education system ("probably very different from Gibraltar's"(? )) as a white discrimination machine, or the presentation of the future hopes of white British working-class youth in comfortable Gypsy times outside Equatorial Guinea...

The thing about my speech being like me complaining about living in a poorer (but rich world) country, you make that up to deflect me dismantling your exaggerations. And your recommendations to me for living in the 14th economic power...shouldn't you have applied them to you before, who live higher in the ranking? (The fact that we have the 4th best life expectancy and we surpass you, is more about diet and hygienic habits, you know: you have fallen in how difficult it is for the poor British or USA to find fresh fruits, vegetables or fish, apart from the different diet).
Of course, my intervention is only to correct these distortions/exaggerations, which are derived to where we know where: between migration, the Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Moors, Socialists and the motherfucking of the Kalergi, will see how in the end, thanks to a very simplistic analysis (so that everyone can add up) we can blame our ills to any target (of course weaker than us) that keeps us distracted enough to continue a few centuries watching shadows at the bottom of a cave.

Dixi.
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
My last reply,
you need to learn the difference between england, which is my country, Great Britain, the island I live on, and the united kingdom, a legal and economic construct.
I promise that Manchester doesn't need my help to get great weed from anywhere, its doing just fine for itself.
I'm not going round in circles with this, perhaps someone else will entertain you, but I give up. I don't believe you want to learn about where I live, you just want to complain that although you live in the richest 10% of the world, you yourself are not rich and that this is because of white Englishmen.
Well given that white men are one of the worlds smallest minority ethnicities, yet invented, built and spread the modern world, I'm not surprised you're in awe of us. Thanks for being such a fan.:bis:
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
My last reply,
you need to learn the difference between england, which is my country, Great Britain, the island I live on, and the united kingdom, a legal and economic construct.
I promise that Manchester doesn't need my help to get great weed from anywhere, its doing just fine for itself.
I'm not going round in circles with this, perhaps someone else will entertain you, but I give up. I don't believe you want to learn about where I live, you just want to complain that although you live in the richest 10% of the world, you yourself are not rich and that this is because of white Englishmen.
Well given that white men are one of the worlds smallest minority ethnicities, yet invented, built and spread the modern world, I'm not surprised you're in awe of us. Thanks for being such a fan.:bis:

Ala.... Pero otra vez con que me quejo con que no soy rico? Y que culpo o odio a los ingleses? Y a los blanco? Otra vez más? Pero tu lees o sobrevuelas textos? No te enteras todavía de que estoy comentando desde el principio con el autor de este hilo como yo si me siento privilegiado por ser blanco, y además (el premio gordo!) hombre?
No. Porqué tú y otros (que acusais a los demás de solo entretenerse aquí) solo venís a vociferar vuestro ramplón discurso a ver si con suerte (la tenéis, lo reconozco) hacéis mucho eco.

Te acabo de volver a repetir que solo corrijo vuestras manipulaciones. Y ya te he demostrado conocer la estructura política del Reino Unidon y por si no lo sabías, te he enseñado que vives en un estado más centralista que EUA o incluso España.
De echo, eres tú el que quizá deberías informarte en qué consiste un Estado Federal o una Unión de Estados Federados, o de Estados Libres Asociados, y sus diferencias a la unión de países y regiones en un mismo Estado.

Ala.... But again what am I complaining with that I am not rich? And that I blame or hate the English? And the white people? Again? But do you read or fly over texts? You still don't understand that I'm commenting from the beginning with the author of this thread how I feel privileged for being white, and also (the jackpot!) male? (Of course, according to racial classifications published by Gypsy and other American ultra-right-wingers, I'm not white...
But if neither you nor I comment on it much, no one will notice, heh....)
No. Because you and others (who accuse the others of just being entertained here) only come to rant your rude speech to see if with luck (you have it, I admit) you make a lot of echo.

I have just told you again that I only correct your manipulations. And I have already shown you to know the political structure of the United Kingdom and in case you did not know it, I have shown you that you live in a more centralist state than the USA or even Spain.
(Even if you have many sports selections, heh).
In fact, it is you who should perhaps inform yourself about what a Federal State or a Union of Federated States or Associated Free States consists of, and how it differs from the union of nations/countries/regions in the same Unitary State.
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
En fin... El nivel argumental, si me lo aplicase a mi mismo como español sería: si tú me argumentaras cualquier cosa, sea cierta o falsa, usando como ejemplo algo que lleve la frase "porque entre la frontera terrestre de tu país con Francia (o Andorra, o Portugal, o Reino Unido, o Marruecos)..." yo simplemente diría que lo que dices es falso y lleno de desconocimiento: tengo que cruzar 4 o 5 fronteras más, pues mi país no tiene frontera con Francia; además, España no es un país, es la unión de otros 17 países (y si crees que lo de allí es complejo, aquí tienes una multitud de reinos cristianos en torno a dos Coronas unificadoras, un Sultanato musulmán, más finalmente el Reino de Navarra arrebatado a la órbita de Francia, y 6 idiomas totalmente oficiales en del Estado: tienes el derecho a poder educarte en clase en tu idioma desde prescolar a la Universidad, y a usarlo en cualquier ámbito administrativo; aparte, en Ceuta y en Melilla puedes educarte en árabe) que además tienen mayor independencia respecto de Madrid que vuestros países de Londres.

Y por supuesto, cuando tú hablas con un estadounidense sobre los problemas en la frontera de su país con México, cuando a este no le gustan tus argumentos, te suelta que su país no tiene ninguna frontera con México, de que vas, si soy de Oregón... qué además es más independiente de Washington que Gales de Londres...Que desde que extraño desconocimiento opinas...


Anyway... The level of argumentation, if I were to apply it to myself as a Spaniard would be: if you were to argue anything to me, whether true or false, using as an example something that carries the phrase "because between the land border of your country with France (or Andorra, or Portugal, or the United Kingdom, or Morocco)... "I would simply say that what you say is false and full of ignorance: I have to cross 4 or 5 more borders, because my country has no border with France; moreover, Spain is not a country, it is the union of 17 other countries (and if you think that what is there is complex, here you have a multitude of Christian kingdoms around two unifying Crowns, a Muslim Sultanate, plus finally the Kingdom of Navarre snatched from the orbit of France, and 6 fully official languages in the State: You have the right to be educated in your language in class from preschool to University, and to use it in any administrative field; besides, in Ceuta and Melilla you can be educated in Arabic) which also have more independence from Madrid than your countries have from London.

And of course, when you talk to an USA citicen the problems in the border of his country with Mexico, when he does not like your arguments, he tells you that his country does not have any border with Mexico, what are you talking about, if I am from Oregon (which is also more independent from Washington than Wales from London)... What a strange lack of knowledge you have for your opinion...
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
And what's more, speaking to me with a smugness that... But if only because I had to study the history of my country (Spain) as a child, how can I not be clear about England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland? If Spain always tried to dynamite this union..., if the Spanish Emperor Felipe II became King consort of England as your Philip I of England... If the Irish Catholics always offer him the Crown of Ireland, which he refused...
If every rebel to the union with / absorption by England sought Spanish support from Rennaissance times to the IRA times..
But, no... I don't know about the United Kingdom... England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, right? My goodness what one learns here... This is more like El Libro Gordo de Petete "Petete's Big Book", than Speakers Corners...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8AieuD31BV4
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
Madre mía, pero como sube la Green Haze esta...
Me estoy releyendo y menuda verborrea...
Estoy desatado...
Venga, de que más podemos hablar que me ilumines... De la primera colonización de las Islas Británicas desde Iberia? De la influencia de las sociedades ibericas de la Edad del Cobre y Bronce en las que crearon Stonehenge? Saltamos en el tiempo a analizar las diferencias y similitudes de la epidemia de heroína entre Inglaterra y Escocia? O la respuesta del Laborismo durante la época Tacher? O si quieres, saltamos el charco con nuestros primos de EUA y analizamos uno por uno el proceso de la creación de sus estados y su incorporación a la Unión?
Aprovéchate, que hoy me vendo de gratis, y estoy que me salgo...
Como no me deis conversación, me voy a tirar a la calle a violar a alguna cabra o a algún blanco, lo primero que me encuentre..



My goodness, but how Green Haze is going up this one... I'm re-reading and what a verbosity... I am untied...
Camon, what else can we talk about? The first colonization of the British Isles from Iberia? Of the influence of Iberian Copper and Bronze Age societies on those who created Stonehenge? We jump in time to analyze the differences and similarities of the heroin epidemic between England and Scotland? Or Labor's response during the Tacher era? Or if you want, let's jump the pond with our cousins in the USA and analyze one by one the process of the creation of their states and their incorporation to the Union? Take advantage of it, today I am selling myself for free, and I am on fire.... If you don't give me some conversation, I'm going to go to the street and rape some goat or some white guy, the first thing I find...
 

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