White privilege explained (for the simpleton)-
Montuno
...como el Son...
Interesante artículo sobre el tema de este hilo en Iberoamérica:
Interesting article on the subject of this thread in Iberoamerica.
https://conversacionsobrehistoria.in.. .tinoametinoamericano
"Las 3 razas" aka "Mis 3 razas" aka "La Igualdad ante la Ley", de Francisco Laso:
Interesting article on the subject of this thread in Iberoamerica.
https://conversacionsobrehistoria.in.. .tinoametinoamericano
"Las 3 razas" aka "Mis 3 razas" aka "La Igualdad ante la Ley", de Francisco Laso:
St. Phatty
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Kind of like Amy Biehl.
Went to South Africa to help the black folks, who then killed her the hard way. Kind of like the Reginald Denny beating in 1992.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Biehl
Sounds like, in those difficult crowd control situations, if you aren't allowed to provide for your own protection, it's better to stay home.
James Byrd Jr. while you’re at it.
Perhaps it was the impoverished white boys in England playing the music of the impoverished southern black musicians and selling it to white segregated American kids of privilege that gave us rock and roll?
Yeah - when I was a kid/teen forming a potentially successful rock and roll band and/or being a good footballer were two of the few routes to possible success for the white working class - remarkably similar to how young blacks stateside could possibly become something in life too - thru music and sports - you could say that we had something in common -
Sunshineinabag
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Frank zappa
Montuno
...como el Son...
Siiiii !! Yo recuerdo perfectamente aquella época : miles de británicos blancos de clase trabajadora se lanzaron al mar en improvisadas embarcaciones de juguete, inundando las costas continentales europeas de refugiados económicos... Los gibraltareños asaltaban en masa la valla para poder disfrutar de lo puta madre que se vivía y vive en la Bahía de Cádiz....
Venga, que me estás describiendo más la situación de la juventud actual de los países más pobres de África: deporte, música, o emigrar.
Esto es otra exageración como la que ya señalé sobre el sistema educativo público británico. Gypsy, por mucho que te haya tocado vivir la (durísima, nadie puede negarlo) recesión postimperial (tanto económica, como de "proyecto o visión nacional común"), la época de Tacher y la guerra contra Argentina, la hecatombe de la heroína..., R.U. seguía siendo una potencia mundial económica de primer orden, y un faro de libertad y oportunidades para gran parte del mundo incluyendo Europa y mi país...
Y por cierto, si ya en tu época la situación estaba así... también se debía a la discriminación que describís de la mayoría blanca para primar a las minorías? Porqué como sigáis retrocediendo en el tiempo hasta que podáis encontrar la época dorada del proletariado blanco británico... Quizá en época de la exclavitud, cuando los "inmigrantes laborales" africanos no estaban primados por el Estado (claro, la larga sombra del tal Kalergi aún no recorría el mundo cual fantasma de Marx y Engels) a costa de los blancos ?
Yessssss! I remember perfectly well that time: thousands of white working class British people threw themselves into the sea in improvised toy boats, flooding the European mainland coasts with economic refugees... The Gibraltarians stormed the fence en masse to be able to enjoy the fucking great life in the Bay of Cadiz. ....
Come on, you are describing me more the situation of the current youth of the poorest countries in Africa: sport, music, or emigrate.
This is another exaggeration like the one I already pointed out about the British public education system. Gypsy, no matter how much you had to live through the (very hard, nobody can deny it) post-imperial recession (both economic and "common national project or vision"), the time of Tacher and the war against Argentina, the heroin hecatomb..., the UK was still a world economic power of the first order, and a beacon of freedom and opportunities for much of the world including Europe and my country...
And by the way, if even in your time the situation was like this... it was also due to the discrimination you describe of the white majority to prioritize minorities? Because if you keep going back in time until you can find the golden age of the white British proletariat.... Perhaps in the time of slavery, when the African "labor immigrants" were not privileged by the State (of course, the long shadow of that Kalergi was not yet roaming the world like a ghost of Marx and Engels) at the expense of the whites ?
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This is a perceptual problem. You shouldn't assume that in a country that has wealth and power, that wealth and power is distributed equally. Britain is not a communist country. Just because some white English people are rich and lead a comfortable life, doesn't mean Britain is the land of milk and honey. There are a lot of people smugglers, making serious money, telling lies to foreigners about Britain, in order to fleece these people out of their life savings. Getting an immigrant on a dinghy into Britain isn't hard, but their future in Britain is not a Rosey one. It will consist of a life of poverty and cold weather. Not an equal share of the riches. Most will end up living on the streets or sharing a house with 20 others. Throughout history, the wealth and power in this country has been concentrated between a few, the majority either made a meager living, or didn't and starved. The British poor, made this country, while the poor in other countries didn't develop their own countries. Now those poor want what our poor sacrificed their lives to create for their kids, and for some reason, think they are entitled to come here and get their share of it. Well the truth is our own poor don't get their share of it, and the British public are sick of people coming in illegally and draining what we do have. So life in the UK for illegal immigrants, isn't going to be that great. You can call that racist or what ever you want, but it applies to any race, any skin shade, if you didn't build it, don't claim it.
Sunshineinabag
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Hey a GMT what's going on up here where I live we have a very similar and how ironic it were called New England hey we we've recently found some dude who are coming here investing in slum decrepit properties in old hotels getting employees to come from their home countries that are dead dirt-poor with no other options in life they pay for a $6,000 plane ticket and they keep them here and make them work that off and take any kind of IDs and passports they may have and and keep them here as indentured servants until God forbid they either go out of business get caught or sent back to their home country for doing what they're doing ninety percent of the time they turn a blind eye I guess it is what it is
While very few succeeded, it was American white privilege that helped made English bands wildly successful. Black musicians were popular here, yet there was much resistance. Both were accused of corrupting our youth. America was listening to Pat Boone. The English kids were more inclusive. Our civil rights movement coincided with the “British Invasion”. Coincidence?
We can all stand on the mountain. Poverty brings us all down, least we build gated walls around our communities and hide in our closets.
Montuno
...como el Son...
Muchísimas gracias por tu aclaración sobre el problema de percepción...: Suelo olvidar que al sur de Gran Bretaña, desde La Coruña a Ciudad del Cabo, el resto vivimos en utópicas sociedades igualitarias...
La riqueza británica no es debida también a la explotación de exclavos, ni a la explotación de trabajadores y recursos "ajenos" (coloniales)?
Claro, eso explica el boom económico británico justo tras perder la mayor parte de su imperio: los indios y sus vacas no generaban más que gastos.
Y desde luego que puedo ver en primera persona el sufrimiento generalizado de la clase media, media/baja y obrera blanca británica: las playas y hoteles de mi país están llenas de ell@s... Supongo que vienen por asilo político, y cuando se lo deniegan, los pobres tienen que emborracharse hasta que hay que recojerlos con pala, para olvidar su dura existencia.
O me equivoco y toda la marabunta que se junta en Magaluz son hijos de banqueros o lores?
Thank you very much for your clarification on the problem of perception....: I tend to forget that south of Britain, from Corunna to Cape Town, the rest of us live in utopian egalitarian societies....
British wealth is not also due to the exploitation of slaves, nor to the exploitation of "foreign" (colonial) workers and resources?
Sure, that explains the British economic boom right after losing most of its empire: Indians and their cows generated nothing but expenses.
And of course I can see first hand the widespread suffering of the British middle, middle/lower and white working class: the beaches and hotels of my country are full of them.... I guess they come for political or economical asylum, and when they are denied it, the poor people have to get drunk until they have to be shoveled out, to forget their hard existence.
Or am I wrong and all the crowd that gathers in Magaluz are children of bankers or lords?
Three Berries
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Socialism can only be successful after Capitalism has built up the private capital for the government to take. Those have nots let jealousy get the best of them and 'democracy' takes care of the rest when they see they can vote themselves money. Then sooner or later you run out of other peoples money.
Sunshineinabag
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Slightly off topic but I would like to say I find it very very scary and very very very disheartening that we live in a society where we have a large group of people that should be out working full-time jobs and paying taxes that don't don't show up for work and think there's some f****** slush fund in Washington is going to carry them through life
Worse is paying them to stay home and have more kids. We tried that in the UK, there are generations of people who seem to have children they can't afford as an occupation. The more kids you have, the greater your income and the bigger the council house you get. Be responsible and don't have children you can't afford and you get nothing.
I'm all for a universal income for everyone, rich and poor alike. Anything you earn on top is then what separates you. Any bad decisions you make, you pay for. Watch the rush for work then and the single parent family numbers will plummet.
I'm all for a universal income for everyone, rich and poor alike. Anything you earn on top is then what separates you. Any bad decisions you make, you pay for. Watch the rush for work then and the single parent family numbers will plummet.
Three Berries
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Sunshineinabag
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Sounds exciting 
