What's wrong with my plant?

[HuffAndPuff]

Stitch, I dunno what the deal is, but I clearly state that the plant needs as little N as possible during the last parts of flower. Had I meant that it needed none, I would have said that. Something like, "The plant needs to have no N during flower".

I'm not sure what the beef is exactly, as we are now both, apparently saying that this is fert-burn. NOW we are. Back in post #2 you said,

Needs some nitrogen...your plant was consumed by nitrogen deficiency man; plants still need nitrogen in flowering but not a lot.

You said nothing there about that being caused by nute-lockout.

He obviously had fert burn issues which was locking out nitrogen because he was not using mujch if any and with him burning his plants just made matters worse

Here is where you say that N has been locked-out, as well as not having been supplied enough. If N is locked out, and you do believe that the soil is too hot, why would your remedy be to add N? If N is locked out, adding more won't do anything but make the soil hotter, right?

[EDIT: If I have to quit telling you bad advice, you gotta stop telling me bring proof. 99.99% of my infirmary posts are backed up by info from outside sources. If you wanna argue the fact that I chose the wrong problem, that's fair game. Plus, as far as I know, I have offered the best advice I could, often when others had posted nothing. I have not heard anything but thank you's, and where it seems like there has been resolution, I thought I had a pretty solid record. I am distressed to hear you say that you have seen me offer bad advice in the past, and said nothing about it. If you know something, chime in. If you see that someone else is giving bad advice, tell them so, and tell them why. Letting people spread bad info is like watching someone getting robbed, knowing you can help, and choosing not to. If you think my advice sucks, tell me why and how, and if you're right, I'll stand corrected. You see, I am a big boy, and I can take a bit of constructive criticism.]

 

[MynameStitch]

I do not tell anyone in a thread they have bad advice because I don't want to make the thread a pissing contest.

I never said why he needed nitrogen all I said was he had a nitrogen deficiency I said nothing about why or how thats why I asked for more information.

I don't expres things well so people want to jam on me for saying something I have a hard time saying and take it the wrong way and people who know me knows that.

If you want to jam on someone for giving bad advice go look at black velvet aka you know who.

 

[B.C.]

This was taken 30 days ago, and the one next to it is the most recent.



I've been using the Calmag because I've been watering with distilled water. I've got a small apartment and don't really have anywhere I can have a bucket of water bubbling to dechlorinate. Could that have anything to do with it?

Should I not flush? I was going to begin that tomorrow.


That's why I didn't change anything really, it does seem weird.

I think she OD on cal-mag+ and it's caused a micro lookout.Those gold leaves have a green veins.Remember FFOF has ground up oyster shells fer cal/mag and ph control,plus some strains jus don't like that much cal/mag.Hittin it every watering with it was jus too much.If it were N the whole plant would be lookin pale (not gold with green veins) esp the -bottom-.Notice in the older pic the leave tips were startin ta burn then,better start learnin ta read them plants mister! lol j/k Cha-Ching my 2 cents.Oh btw ya don't have ta bubble the water,jus put water ina milk jug and let it set with no lid on it,the chlorine will evaporate on it's own.Good luck with the rest of yer grow Bounty! Take care...BC

 

[MynameStitch]

There is no big fan leaves on the bottom and most of the plant,because they died off which is why you can't see it well cause the evidence has been long gone lol

 

[HuffAndPuff]

AH! See that's who I was talking about! NOT YOU! As far as not being able to express things well, I'm sorry if I jumped on you too hard. I just assumed, incorrectly I guess, that it was laziness and ignorance. Not that there may have been an underlying issue regarding communication. If I made you feel bad, I'm really sorry. I got picked on when I was a little kid, for shit I couldnt help and it sucked.

So, as far as that goes, I'm sorry, I'll keep it in mind for the future. I guess we are still disagreeing, but it's all good. Gonna go toke a fat one, you should too!

 

[MynameStitch]

No worries I am sorry for jumping the gun and getting angry at first; naa I would not say disagreeing I would say everyone has there opinion about things and I always express people to have an open mind about things. People are so cruel when it comes to teasing I feel ya cause we are in the same boat there.

No worries man everything is cool!

 

[Guest]

Stitch, I dunno what the deal is, but I clearly state that the plant needs as little N as possible during the last parts of flower. Had I meant that it needed none, I would have said that. Something like, "The plant needs to have no N during flower".

I'm not sure what the beef is exactly, as we are now both, apparently saying that this is fert-burn. NOW we are. Back in post #2 you said,

You said nothing there about that being caused by nute-lockout.



Here is where you say that N has been locked-out, as well as not having been supplied enough. If N is locked out, and you do believe that the soil is too hot, why would your remedy be to add N? If N is locked out, adding more won't do anything but make the soil hotter, right?

[EDIT: If I have to quit telling you bad advice, you gotta stop telling me bring proof. 99.99% of my infirmary posts are backed up by info from outside sources. If you wanna argue the fact that I chose the wrong problem, that's fair game. Plus, as far as I know, I have offered the best advice I could, often when others had posted nothing. I have not heard anything but thank you's, and where it seems like there has been resolution, I thought I had a pretty solid record. I am distressed to hear you say that you have seen me offer bad advice in the past, and said nothing about it. If you know something, chime in. If you see that someone else is giving bad advice, tell them so, and tell them why. Letting people spread bad info is like watching someone getting robbed, knowing you can help, and choosing not to. If you think my advice sucks, tell me why and how, and if you're right, I'll stand corrected. You see, I am a big boy, and I can take a bit of constructive criticism.]

LIke dude really.....

in the other thread you are calling something as mgdef interveinal chlorosis....and you are looking at the veins.....

lets just say you arent ready to be so sure you are right.....

I must admit I did laugh.....

 

[HuffAndPuff]

What are you, my own personal troll? Let alone that I can't even understand what the hell you are trying to say. I must admit I did laugh, too- when I read your post 5 times and still couldn't understand what you were saying.

So, like dude really...your own damn self. You aren't going to prove anybody wrong by sputtering out sentence fragments. Now if you wan't to put together a post that addresses the concerns you have with mine, step-by-step, go ahead. Just make sure that your ultimate goal isn't proving me wrong, but helping the original poster. And again, sorry if this has effed up his thread.

HuffAndPuff

 

[Guest]

IM saying you dink you are looking at the veins.....

Personal troll...

I suggest my friend you go reread what you wrote about me.....

If you actually think stitch and I are the same.... you are wrong....

Ive done plenty of chewing on her leg in the past....

I dont know anyone better at this than me....

including stitch.....


certainly not you.....

http://www.icmag.com/ic/links.php?url=http://weed.to/inverse/101007/images/img_2810.jpg

This picture shows the VEINS are lighter not the interveinal areas.

You dink..... subtle difference but quite important.....

IOW the veins are lighter color and the interveinal areas are beautiful dark green..... certainly not interveinal chlorosis...


Now if Mg def were INTRAveinal chlorosis you would be right on.....but its interveinal........


lol...LOL

 

[HuffAndPuff]

Hey genius! I was referring to the fact that the leaf is curled up along it's margin as if it is 'praying for magnesium'. This is common knowledge. I never said anything about the interveinal chlorosis, referring to this photo. In fact, the only reason I posted that info was because your buddy stitch said that Mg deficiency can not lead to interveinal chlorosis. So I thought I would post up some resources that said otherwise.

And if you are going to claim to be the best at something, whyn't try doing it when you have more than 30 posts, it would kinda help back up all that shit you talk. So why don't you go ahead and chew on my third leg, for a minute.

You, sir, are the dink. Now good day. I SAID GOOD DAY!
HuffAndPuff

 

[MynameStitch]

where the hell did I say that??? I never said magniseum can not lead to interveinal chlorosis.... you had to of read that wrong because I would have NEVER said that.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

His plants are showing chlortic veins which magnseium def does not show. They do not get chlortic they stay green and then when the problem is not fixed it turned tan from the leaves dying cause all the color has been pretty much sucked from it and nutrients sucked from the leaves

Post #13, other thread. Seems to me like you did say it. Whatever, 'i am over both of these threads. The whole thing took a big left on to I could give a shit lane.
HuffAndPuff

 

[MynameStitch]

THats not why you posted in the first place you posted saying I gave bad advice because I said it was not a magniseum issue; so you only posted saying it was not magniseum not because of what I said above because that was the post I made to one of your replies after you said I was giving bad advice.

 

[Guest]

Hey genius! I was referring to the fact that the leaf is curled up along it's margin as if it is 'praying for magnesium'. This is common knowledge. I never said anything about the interveinal chlorosis, referring to this photo. In fact, the only reason I posted that info was because your buddy stitch said that Mg deficiency can not lead to interveinal chlorosis. So I thought I would post up some resources that said otherwise.

And if you are going to claim to be the best at something, whyn't try doing it when you have more than 30 posts, it would kinda help back up all that shit you talk. So why don't you go ahead and chew on my third leg, for a minute.

You, sir, are the dink. Now good day. I SAID GOOD DAY!
HuffAndPuff

Praying for magnesium is bunk....

its not true....

just some fool(like you) that posted a misdiagnosed picture.....

I hear your third leg is more like a third little toe....

you dink....

Stitch this guy is clearly an idiot......

Common ???? Im betting you cant find a non cannabis ref that says anything close to that...

Ive seen the pic and that description but its nonsense......

Anyone who says someone has a Mg def without interveinal chlorosis is an idiot.....

 

[inflorescence]

Too much Ca from the Cal Mag causing antagonism of K.

 

[bounty29]

5ml of CalMag+ in a gallon of distilled water is too much? What would be a more appropriate dosage?

 

[inflorescence]

If these pics look identical it's P def from the sick plants thread.
Your're using pbp flower not pbp grow right?

If not P def I still think K def.

 

[bounty29]

So let's recap. It's either N def, P def, K def, nute burn, or lockout caused by too much Ca, anything else?

So far the nute burn makes more sense to me than the others, but I'm still a noob. It'd be nice if there was even something resembling aggreement on this.

Thanks for the opinions everyone, I do appreciate it.

 

[toohighmf]

I must say

I must say

cant we all just get along? MARK IT ****IN ZERO SMOKEY! Oh I love that avatar Huff! I also wholeheartedly agree w both of you. I see no signs of Mag toxicity, WHich is where the fans are so dark green they are almost purple, but I see early tip burn that evolved to more frying of the leaves. I dont believe this to be a Defic except perhaps a mild Magnesium defic or plain lockout of a bunch of salts. Blooming plants cant seem to get enough mg. I see a clear as day overfert. it doesnt seem like it hurt you too bad either. It is near impossible to be nitrogen deficient in bloom because almost all synthetic ferts have urea or organic forms of N, even when using the Lucas formula without using the grow in the 3 part.. that is why it works so good. a P or K defic would also technically be almost impossible being that bloom ferts are so high in P & K. Now you can lock em out with the wrong PH, or you can lock em up by overferting which is what I see here. Hope I'm not confusing anyone.

 

[Guest]

If these pics look identical it's P def from the sick plants thread.
Your're using pbp flower not pbp grow right?

If not P def I still think K def.

I must say you found what I feel is the most likely picture to be absolutely wrong for any of the deficiencies... p def.......

Whatever that means.....


LOL......


WIthout a lab its impossible to tell.....


The pictures in the sick plants guide should come with a case study.... giving as much info as possible... including what its fed, ph etc......

unfortunately the people writing the various sick plant guides fall into the mode of....

Here is a sick plant picture what does it look like is happening???

Instead of really knowing....

Personally I have never seen pics of p def that also made sense when the medium, ferts etc was factored in.......


Im just sayin........take the pics in the sick plants threads with a grain of salt too....

One other little thing that none of the folks with sick plant threads do....

and should....

is to provide space for altenate opinions......