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What's wrong with my plant?

HuffAndPuff

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Bounty,
Please ignore posts 27-34. It was rude and inappropriate of florigen to bring in a discussion from another thread. It may have added to the confusion, and I apologize for helping it continue. On to YOUR plants-

Rarely does a plant exhibit one type of over-fert, or deficiency issue. Most often, these problems commingle and result in the plant displaying various symptoms. Plants that have been over-fed will show nute burn.

Let's say the nutes are still being just slightly over-applied after the initial burn, caused by a one-off overfeeding. The initial nute burn will have it's effects, but the soil will also continue to accumulate fertilizer salts. As this happens, the pH may become imbalanced, and/or the continued 'hot' environment, will lead to nute lock-out. At this point, other signs symptomatic of deficiencies can begin to appear, as those nutrients become unavailable to the plant. I beleieve this is essentially what happened to your plants.

So, to show a variety of symptoms is common, but it's like reading the DSM IV. Plenty of kids taking a first year psych class walk out of the room thinking they have half of the symptoms in the book. It is important to step back, and look at the whole picture. Based on the info you have given us, I think that what I said above should be pretty close.

RE: The unrelated postings- The only reason that I am going to post this, is because I believe that there was some erroneous information given by florigen.

Praying for magnesium is bunk....

its not true....

just some fool(like you) that posted a misdiagnosed picture.....

Now, I am NOT going to degenerate into name-calling, or anything of that sort. I just want it to be known that this is, obviously, a very BOLD claim, and I see no information, sources, or references to back it up. Ed Rosenthal, however, says that with a magnesium deficiency, "the leaves curl up... along the edges."

This is in addition to the sources Levitikuz and I both posted. Why would I want to find this info as it relates to plants other than marijuana? I am pretty sure the symptoms that marijuana displays when it has a certain deficiency are going to be dissimilar from those in a rosebush, or tomato plant, no? I just re-read the info from Rosenthal, Cervantes, and Frank, and I will post up that info in the appropriate thread- after I make chilli- so don't confuse this thread any further by attacking this, here. I promise I will post it there as soon as I get a chance, and I promise you that the info corroborates- beyond the leaf 'praying'. Which by the way, is an upper leaf, which is not where the most obvious symptoms occur. The plant displays other symptoms of a magnesium deficiency, and that is what I will discuss. Thank you in advance for respecting this, and keeping this thread uncluttered from here on out.

Stay Safe
HuffAndPuff
 
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http://badger.uvm.edu/dspace/handle/2051/4458

http://www.knowledgebank.irri.org/R...ficienciesToxicities/Magnesium_Deficiency.htm


http://www.ehs.calpoly.edu/ehs/ehs327/pages/nutbd.html


Magnesium Deficiency

Description

Magnesium Deficiency is a condition which describes an African Violet that is not getting enough magnesium (Mg). Magnesium is an essential element for the growth and vitality of African Violets. It is important for the proper function of photosynthesis and the production of chlorophyll. The most common cause of Magnesium Deficiency is either a lack of available magnesium in the soil or a pH imbalance in the soil which is inhibiting the absorption of magnesium and other nutrients.


Magnesium: Mg
Movement: Moderately mobile

Function: A component of the chlorophyll molecule and involved in enzyme activation.

Deficiency Symptoms: Interveinal chlorosis on older leaves, defoliation of the lower leaves at the advanced stage.

Corrective Procedures: Magnesium sulfate (Epsom Salts) application to the root substrate at the rate of 1 pound per 100 gallons of water will return the chlorotic tissue to the normal green color within 1 to 2 weeks. Do not mix with other fertilizers.

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I on the other hand use pictures of other plants all the time.....

notice I did say OTHER plants......


Let me say this about the edges rolling up.....

this is a secondary thing that happens WITH interveinal chlorosis.....


I see nottin aboot no prayin mon......


I also note with some interest the these off site refs dont say with a tomato plant this happens.... but with a rosebush this other thing happens and with a cannabis plant because we love it so much this even third thing happens.....

imagine that......

There is also a reason why I use off site info on plant diagnosis.... most of the people who do these type threads for cannabis sites smoke dope.....


lol....

just kidding....
 
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I also maintain the its not phoshorus def AND the picture being shown from one of the sick plant threads is wrong....


PHOSPHORUS (P)

Most soils in California contain plenty of Phosphorus so you are unlikely to see Phosphorus deficiencies in field or landscape situations.

Phosphorus is a structural component of nucleic acids which are basic building blocks of DNA and RNA. Phosphorous is necessary for cell division and the regulation of all cell processes.

Phosphorus deficiency symptoms begin with reduced growth with short, thin shoots. Leaves are small, and defoliation follows starting with the lower leaves.

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For the same reason..... plenty o phos used......

and phos def is more likely to be way more sneaky than that particular picture......
 
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toohighmf said:
cant we all just get along? MARK IT ****IN ZERO SMOKEY! Oh I love that avatar Huff! I also wholeheartedly agree w both of you. I see no signs of Mag toxicity, WHich is where the fans are so dark green they are almost purple, but I see early tip burn that evolved to more frying of the leaves. I dont believe this to be a Defic except perhaps a mild Magnesium defic or plain lockout of a bunch of salts. Blooming plants cant seem to get enough mg. I see a clear as day overfert. it doesnt seem like it hurt you too bad either. It is near impossible to be nitrogen deficient in bloom because almost all synthetic ferts have urea or organic forms of N, even when using the Lucas formula without using the grow in the 3 part.. that is why it works so good. a P or K defic would also technically be almost impossible being that bloom ferts are so high in P & K. Now you can lock em out with the wrong PH, or you can lock em up by overferting which is what I see here. Hope I'm not confusing anyone.


On this we agree absolutely......

a P or K defic would also technically be almost impossible being that bloom ferts are so high in P & K.

But potassium is probably higher in pure blend than almost any other brand....

IMO P and K def are out......
 
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inflorescence

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toohighmf said:
a P or K defic would also technically be almost impossible being that bloom ferts are so high in P & K.

Ever drive around SoCal and see ALL the phoenix palms K defic? It's because the hard socal tap is causing the Ca to antagonize the K (mimicking a lockout).
Granted the illegal gardeners are probably using a grow formula but even with all the K of a bloom fert there is still just too much Ca in the socal tap.
It's not technically impossible is all I'm saying.

Bounty, what's your tap pH and TDS (specifically hardness)?
 
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inflorescence

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bounty29 said:
15ml LK
15ml PBP
5ml CalMag+
I feed them every watering, which is when they dry out.

If you're giving them THAT much nutes when they are DRY then your definately frying your plants.
I didn't catch that earlier.
 

bounty29

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I'm not sure of my taps PH, but it's usually around .24 ec, but I used distilled water for this grow.

I didn't realize the moisture level of the soil affected how strong you could feed them, how's that work?
 
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What Determines Soil pH?
Soil pH is primarily impacted by annual precipitation, making some areas highly acidic, such as the northeastern United States, western Washington and Oregon. Dryer areas, such as Arizona, southern Nevada and southern California, tend to have high alkaline soils. To test the pH level of your soil, contact your local extension service for more information.
 

bounty29

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Mites on one of three plants in close proximity with each other? I watered these plants on the same schedule, and they dried out in the same amount of time.

It definitely wasn't overwatering, and they only ever wilted from being underwatered once, and they had only just begun when I watered them, because they were back to new again after a few hours.

And the soil PH: again, three plants, only one affected? Things like PH being off, mites, and over/underwatering would've shown itself in all three plants. But since only one plant showed this, and it happened to be a different strain then the other two, it really makes me think it was nute related.
 
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While it isnt a bad guess....

I dont think the buds would be so nice if it actually was root rot....
 

B.C.

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2 pennies worth...

2 pennies worth...

bounty29 said:
And the soil PH: again, three plants, only one affected? Things like PH being off, mites, and over/underwatering would've shown itself in all three plants. But since only one plant showed this, and it happened to be a different strain then the other two, it really makes me think it was nute related.
Yep,it od-d on calmag.Because a plant can't use it all inbetween waterings it builds in the soil.I think every second ta third watering would be alil better.The pbp ya wouldn't have ta worry so much about,cuz it would take a ton of it ta have too much.But when it comes ta micro nutes too much will lock out other elements ina hurry. Also,remember LK acts like a catalyst/stimulant allowing the plant ta feed more on what's there,so that didn't help this situation either.I think the microherd in the soil and the extra humates from the pbp has helped get all of these plants as far as they've gotten. They're a big buffer in soil.Anyhoo,this is my opinion of how it's nute related,I hope it's helped. Take care...BC
 
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That looks a lot like my pH burned plants.

I'll try to get you a pic - but I got a new bottle of pH down - and it appears to be twice as strong and I didn't check it right off, so what I thought was 6.1 was closer to 4.9 - in soil

YIKES!

I don't remember reading anything about pH readings,,,, and the first time I used Tiger Bloom - that drops PH BIG TIME!
 

bounty29

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Thanks a lot for the input everyone, I've learned from my mistakes and hopefully my next grow will have even less issues. Seven days from now I'll be trimming all my buds! :joint:
 
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