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Whats up with my roots?
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It might not be as as bad as perlite all throughout no doubt cuz obviously coco is way more root friendly and porous than perlite, but the clays is going to add a lot of weight to the pots etc...I suppose more of an annoyance cleaning, extra weight, chance of mildewing etc...I just hate those things.
Don't get me wrong you tryin to help out is very nice hope I did not come off 'rude'.
Did you use azamax? I am wondering if some of these oily pesticides might be a factor as well...I am convinced if you have root aphids the best thing is to completely annihilate them and start over...It seems they just destroy everything no matter what especially if things are 1-2 weeks before flower or in flowering I consider it now a complete loss. The harvest won't even pay for the electric...
headees
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40 whats wrong with perlite in coco? Im on my first run with coco and using Botainicare's ready grow, which has a lot of perlite in it. So far so good, but I was thinking of switching to Canna's just because you get more coco for the money, since its not bogged down with perlite.
This thread has me pretty freaked about RA, had me checking my roots lol. They look fine, but not like 40amps which is what I wish they looked like
I did hit them with Bares 3 in 1 in veg, but seems like thats not even enough to keep them away from some of the stuff Ive read. Hope you guys all beat those things and get your girls healthy again.
Hey headees, I have hopefully beat them haven't seen a larvae or a flying thing for 3weeks + now I think it is. It is just the residual from them on the roots...just terrible even a very weak infestation like mine was. There were only a few flyers the second time they showed up (even after completely moving locations which was a much worse infestation)...
Perlite imo while useful in soil is completely pointless in CoCo and obstructs roots more than it helps imo. It is such an awesome light medium that perlite is just stuff in the way taking up space where more roots could fit in. Not to mention the complete pain of finding mass quantities to buy, transport, and the fuckin dust from pouring it...I hope I never see that shit again honestly, lol.
Perlite imo while useful in soil is completely pointless in CoCo and obstructs roots more than it helps imo. It is such an awesome light medium that perlite is just stuff in the way taking up space where more roots could fit in. Not to mention the complete pain of finding mass quantities to buy, transport, and the fuckin dust from pouring it...I hope I never see that shit again honestly, lol.
headees
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I wonder if they come in the coco itself? Anyway glad you beat them, they sound like a real bitch.
I can see your point about the coco. My roots just dont form that mass like I see in your root pics or others that almost looks like a well established mycelium colony. I guess this is in part to the perlite which just takes up too much space like you said. Im going to try cannas coco next time and see If I cant get that super dense root mass I want.
I actually saw a post of yours about coco watering and it is some of the main advice I am taking regarding watering, so thanks. Your plants are killer.
I can see your point about the coco. My roots just dont form that mass like I see in your root pics or others that almost looks like a well established mycelium colony. I guess this is in part to the perlite which just takes up too much space like you said. Im going to try cannas coco next time and see If I cant get that super dense root mass I want.
I actually saw a post of yours about coco watering and it is some of the main advice I am taking regarding watering, so thanks. Your plants are killer.
No i have not used AZAMAX, and i even have some on hand. I have tried a bunch of stuff. Insecticidal soap, Bayer complete, triacizide, and Botanigard. I have hit my flowering plants with all of the above minus the bayer as its systemic. Still have seen a few guys crawling around the pot a few days later. I am only confident in starting with unaffected cuts and inoculating them with imidacloprid in one form or another. I will also throw all of the above at the healthy plants as a precaution, but systemics seem like the best choice for these beasts.
40 what have you used to annihilate them?
Do you guys hand water?
I believe have on a drip system/auto watering may be what s producing such nice thick white root zone.
I do pretty good with hand watering my ladies once a day but I feel like If could keep a coco more of a constant moisture level like a flood table for example the roots would be more explosive and healthier.
I believe have on a drip system/auto watering may be what s producing such nice thick white root zone.
I do pretty good with hand watering my ladies once a day but I feel like If could keep a coco more of a constant moisture level like a flood table for example the roots would be more explosive and healthier.
My roots hand watering...
I don't even want to bother taking pictures after aphids...
Grow System: CoCo with GH nutes @ 6/9 baby! Absolutely love it...
Lighting: 1k watt lights
Veg time: When the roots have conquered the solo cups they will be transplanted into 1 gallons or these pots I have that are slightly less than one gallons. In CoCo I get monster sized plants that you would get in 3 gal of a perfect organic soil mix in only 1 gal of medium.
I will not be rushing these so when the veg time is done, it is done. I am new to coco and this will be only my 3rd go around but even my first was absolutely stunning.
Here is some galadriel being transplanted. Look at the CoCo roots...
And shit just kept growing, and growing, and growing....
Got tired a couple of days later putting the finishing touches on the room and carin for the plants when a good song came on so I sat down and smoked a jay. Thought it looked cool.
Then I stood up to this hah
And here are some roots from my test grow for Karma on his White OG 2.0 I am currently doing (1 gal) from my second go around:
I'd love to see just ONE picture of the roots after aphids, if you got one laying around. Otherwise those are some beautiful roots. Dare i say they could have been transplanted a touch sooner
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4746443#post4746443
If they ever come back I am done with coco lol...3 weeks and not a damn one ofem. First time in 2 months of trying to kill them that this has happened by using the above method.
I do auto drip, blumats, and hand water. All in fabric pots. I usually cannot stick a stake in most of my pots without snapping a few stakes. I sometimes grow in plastic pots as well and although the circling around the outside looks like a lot of root mass, there is usually a lack of roots throughout the center of the pot, imo.
Yea I have found the white pots pictured above to be far superior to any round pot. The roots grow straight down and up where needed with amazing mass.
Interesting because I use regular round pots, I recently got some nice square ones from the hydro store.. will see how those work
re: organics
One thing i found interesting when i was battling the aphids was that an enzyme is produced by a microbe in worm castings at the root zone. This is chitlinase ? It is an enzyme that breaks down the chitlin shell of certain insects. This is supposed to make the roots less palatable to the aphids. Perhaps, this type of process is responsible for living soil mixes less suceptible to aphids?
This made me recall a plant that was topdressed with castings even before i knew i had aphids. This plant indeed did way better than the plain coco with no castings.
I'm wondering if a mixture of castings and diatomaceous earth in coco could help in the prevention of ifnfection.
One thing i found interesting when i was battling the aphids was that an enzyme is produced by a microbe in worm castings at the root zone. This is chitlinase ? It is an enzyme that breaks down the chitlin shell of certain insects. This is supposed to make the roots less palatable to the aphids. Perhaps, this type of process is responsible for living soil mixes less suceptible to aphids?
This made me recall a plant that was topdressed with castings even before i knew i had aphids. This plant indeed did way better than the plain coco with no castings.
I'm wondering if a mixture of castings and diatomaceous earth in coco could help in the prevention of ifnfection.
First time i got them i was using B'cuzz, ever since i have used cocogro bricks from botanicare. No insects could possibly be hiding in the bricks. Its too dense to burrow into and too dry to want to.
Bcuzz coco
I too wonder if it is the premium brands that are packaged in bags and kept moist, but who knows /shrug
I too wonder if it is the premium brands that are packaged in bags and kept moist, but who knows /shrug
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Just wanted to say; I've had the very same problem ever since switching to coco 4+ years ago. It only ever happens to one plant outta the whole room so it was no biggie to throw it out, but it nagged at me all these years as to what the hell is affecting the roots like that.
I only recently had an epiphany about root aphids when I noticed that when roots go bad on my plants in rockwool blocks I could actually see the aphids crawling around every time I watered the blocks. I could see them crawling all over the white plastic wrap.
In coco, it's really hard to see them so I always thought it was something else.
Whats weird is that I'll use a whole bag of (Botanicare) coco and only one or two plants get the aphids.
I think you might be onto something about using blocks instead of loose coco...
I only recently had an epiphany about root aphids when I noticed that when roots go bad on my plants in rockwool blocks I could actually see the aphids crawling around every time I watered the blocks. I could see them crawling all over the white plastic wrap.
In coco, it's really hard to see them so I always thought it was something else.
Whats weird is that I'll use a whole bag of (Botanicare) coco and only one or two plants get the aphids.
I think you might be onto something about using blocks instead of loose coco...
Alright well I think I am done with coco for a couple of grows cuz this is 2 in a row with one being a complete loss and this one just a couple of plants, but that money really matters....I want to go out and buy bricks and throw my bagged coco away but I don't want to have the same damn problem from the brick lol ;\ Inreplyavalon, did you get the problem with brick coco you switched to as well? I would assume so since this thread is going.
I think it is the bagged wet coco that is screwing us. I never had this problem in soil and I don't want to do another grow just to find out they are residents of the damn medium it self. I would suggest people buy bricked coco as well.
I think it is the bagged wet coco that is screwing us. I never had this problem in soil and I don't want to do another grow just to find out they are residents of the damn medium it self. I would suggest people buy bricked coco as well.
