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what to look for in a male?
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Right man!
But do the offspring show some consistent frequency of hermitude Redux?
I bet that they do not..
That makes more sense TORC.. you find a so called "freak" within a particular gene pool that displays irregular characteristics for a particular strain that might prove to be unstable.. and sometimes usefull
But honestly.. how often does that happen?
Most of the ganja I have grown have displayed fairly common characteristics for any particular strain.. given you get some "freaks" if you grow enough ganja. I've had some wierd looking plants.. But I assume this is due to environmental stress for that indivudal plant and strain.
I fear that this Urban legends is blown out of proportions..
But I think that re-crossing Fx's with new genes of the parental strains should weed out
the hermie problem, if one has several mothers (outdoors) coupled with somewhat stabile male genes..
It ought to turn out good
But do the offspring show some consistent frequency of hermitude Redux?
I bet that they do not..
That makes more sense TORC.. you find a so called "freak" within a particular gene pool that displays irregular characteristics for a particular strain that might prove to be unstable.. and sometimes usefull
But honestly.. how often does that happen?
Most of the ganja I have grown have displayed fairly common characteristics for any particular strain.. given you get some "freaks" if you grow enough ganja. I've had some wierd looking plants.. But I assume this is due to environmental stress for that indivudal plant and strain.
I fear that this Urban legends is blown out of proportions..
But I think that re-crossing Fx's with new genes of the parental strains should weed out
the hermie problem, if one has several mothers (outdoors) coupled with somewhat stabile male genes..It ought to turn out good
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CaptJamesTKirk
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He didn't say male plants turning hermi he said vigiorius males carrying a hermi gene.
I choose my male by growth pattern first and smell given the best growing example.
Usually see somewhere between 40-60 % m/f ratio and no hermi traits in the offspring.
I will venture to say 99.99% of mexican genetics are hermi prone and as such are "problem children".
I choose my male by growth pattern first and smell given the best growing example.
Usually see somewhere between 40-60 % m/f ratio and no hermi traits in the offspring.
I will venture to say 99.99% of mexican genetics are hermi prone and as such are "problem children".
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Soul Fertilizer said:Right man!
But do the offspring show some consistent frequency of hermitude man?
I bet that they do not..
That makes more sense.. you find a so called "freak" within a particular gene pool that displays irregular characteristics for a particular strain that might prove to be unstable..
But honestly.. how often does that happen?
Most of the ganja I have grown have displayed fairly common characteristics for any particular strain..
I fear that is Urban legends blown out of proportions..
But I think that re-crossing F's with new genes of the parental strains should weed out
It's prolly not very common at all, just an anomoly seen infrequently. As for Urban legend...naw, just experience. He said it will carry the hermie trait 'often' and not 'always'. So even in this circumstance it's not a guarantee. The dude has bred stuff to F5, give or take a gen when necessary, repeatedly so understands how certain traits can be carried through. That's the best I can do...at least my post of his info opened things up for debate.
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Right.. F5 is pretty far out... 6 years of gardening the same lineage
Man but is there such a thing as a hermie gene?
I doubt it.. it's a defensive mechanism in plants
They are all "carrying" it... It's environmental.. like the frogs
That's why you need to throw new genes into the mix
but I haven't tried it yet and seen it with my own eyes...
so don't take my word for it
hmmm.. but wait... some people are born hermie too without any particular reason so maybe you are right..
Too complex...
Better to grow and see I guess
Smoke the parents
Man but is there such a thing as a hermie gene?
I doubt it.. it's a defensive mechanism in plants
They are all "carrying" it... It's environmental.. like the frogs
That's why you need to throw new genes into the mix
but I haven't tried it yet and seen it with my own eyes...
so don't take my word for it
hmmm.. but wait... some people are born hermie too without any particular reason so maybe you are right..
Too complex...
Better to grow and see I guess
Smoke the parents
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CaptJamesTKirk
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Soul Fertilizer said:
Without a doubt.
Spend some time with Mex genetics - save but for a couple, they all start spittin nanners - far too soon into the flower cycle - and not the mush nanners - the powdery dry ones the drop dust.
Some plants will hermi with slight stress - others wouldn't thro a male flower if they had too.
Hermis alway do shit when your not lookin - with the plants you don't want then to do shit with.
I really don't like hermis.
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But hermies can be used to pollinate female flowers in order to create a greater occurance of female plants in the offspring... right?
hermie 50% female and 50% male.. breeds with female.. that would give me approx 75% female seeds.. right?
although it has it's risks...
Interesting stuff man
No wait... if it was female by seed it is actually all female.. unless she carries male genes... which she does...
Confusing
I guess a good experiment would be to breed say 100 plants from the same genetics under the same condition and see what the frequency of hermies is within that particular batch of Fx's..
But this experiment would yeild no actual results outdoor as the environmental factors are different every year and the earth varies from spot to spot too so... I assume this applies to indoors growing as well.
Well I'll be a whole lot wiser after I've bred some F1 and allowed them to breed..
But I'm gonna throw new genes into the mix every year and pick the good plants. So maybe I can weed out this hermie trait..
If it actually exists..
I'm more into believing that plants are sentient beings that react to environmental conditions just like a human would...
aka.. treat your plants well and they will flourish
Could sleeping every day in your garden affect the way the plants feel about it... all
Certainly
They are alive mon
This might be hard to consider scientifically but life ain't no exact science..
SF
hermie 50% female and 50% male.. breeds with female.. that would give me approx 75% female seeds.. right?
although it has it's risks...
Interesting stuff man
No wait... if it was female by seed it is actually all female.. unless she carries male genes... which she does...
Confusing
I guess a good experiment would be to breed say 100 plants from the same genetics under the same condition and see what the frequency of hermies is within that particular batch of Fx's..
But this experiment would yeild no actual results outdoor as the environmental factors are different every year and the earth varies from spot to spot too so... I assume this applies to indoors growing as well.
Well I'll be a whole lot wiser after I've bred some F1 and allowed them to breed..
But I'm gonna throw new genes into the mix every year and pick the good plants. So maybe I can weed out this hermie trait..
If it actually exists..
I'm more into believing that plants are sentient beings that react to environmental conditions just like a human would...
aka.. treat your plants well and they will flourish
Could sleeping every day in your garden affect the way the plants feel about it... all
Certainly
They are alive mon
This might be hard to consider scientifically but life ain't no exact science..
SF
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For real?
I've got to seriously doubt that before I see it
all beings that exist are sentient man.. this is a fact!
I've got to seriously doubt that before I see it
all beings that exist are sentient man.. this is a fact!
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CaptJamesTKirk
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Soul Fertilizer said:
There is a difference between a plant that turns hermi naturally and one that is forced to.
Natural hermis breed more natural hermies
sentient beings - what the hell are you smoking?
G
Guest
Do plants have a Soul?
I think it's more a question wheter or not the gardener has SOUL
peace
A simple experiment:
You take care of some plants but not all plants... see if they get sour and turn hermie on ya
or grow stronger..
Natural selection
It grows with or without you... but you might make a difference
Like being there.. on the spot.. and often.. I take naps in my garden
This is my point
You cannot pinpoint a certain reaction to a certain thing.. this is an illusion
That's like pinpointing a certain event in your life to a particular trait in your personality...
but wait... that makes sense
:wink:
Take care
I think it's more a question wheter or not the gardener has SOUL
peace
A simple experiment:
You take care of some plants but not all plants... see if they get sour and turn hermie on ya
or grow stronger..
Natural selection
It grows with or without you... but you might make a difference
Like being there.. on the spot.. and often.. I take naps in my garden
This is my point
You cannot pinpoint a certain reaction to a certain thing.. this is an illusion
That's like pinpointing a certain event in your life to a particular trait in your personality...
but wait... that makes sense
:wink:
Take care
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I've heard that Thai seeds/genetics, I'm talking about landrace (native), are notorious for hermie prollems and it takes a long selection process to locate the more stable plants.
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Vigor in a male is fine if thats what you are looking for, but there are more indica males that will seem less vigorous. If one simply chooses a male based on vigor you might be selecting for the sativa pheno in your polyhybreds. Thats good if you like tall plants or sativa characteristics. A vigorous male should not however show sex untill forced and should be given enuff time to prove this trait; usually untill nodes start to alternate. If a male shows preflowers before the light schedule change it should be discarded.
There is a Hermi gene. and there are light leaks. make very sure you know the difference. males (and females) that show both sexes should be discarded; do not make seeds, do not grow out the prodgeny.
Breeding is a little more difficult than one might think. you have to have an area to force the males and give them time to show you the resin and stability of gender. Then and only then can you worry about structure and hollow stems, lol. Males used for breeding should resin up just like females. the resin can then be handled to determine the smell/taste characteristics and not before. The smell of a plant when a stem is rubbed is not what we are looking for here; unless we are breeding for good smelling stems. This process takes a month or so of forcing, the pollen should not be used untill you know what your working with. care should be used not to contaminate females.
clones of males should be used for timing of fecundation. not to mention a good male is hard to find. Boring smelling resin on a male can lead to boring smelling/tasting prodegy, However, resin on a male is resin on a male and he can still be used; these males are "blanks" and can hopefully let the mother flavor to shine Through providing she has it . Great smelling resin on a male more often leads to excellent seed and more great fathers.
This is in the breeders forumn, isn't it? whew! okays
Once the males virtues have been assesed you can now go on to breeding.
What? you say! That takes too long! all that isn't necessary, my friend just did this or that and he had good plants!
yes yes he did,
but he did it blind.
and luckily the plant is better than our good intentions which can be blind.
good weed makes good seed. good weed times unknown gives ya mediocracy. It can be spectacular too! thats just how life and genetics can be. but this is not breeding. Thats roulette. and it can end up wasting time if you grow out garbage.
breeding with a known male saves time and money in the long run. a male with good tasting resin is very likely to pass on that trait. So for that reason the resin of the male is most important factor (for selecting a male) and can bring fast success to the hopefull breader. it only takes a few months to find out how your males stack up. This is the real the secret of breeding that most people will never know/find out simply because you cant sell/smoke the males; they are never given a chance to prove themselves.
I would take a less than vigorous male with great tasting resin production than the most vigorous, tightly noded, hollow stemmed plant that didn't show resin when flowered. such males can be bred with known vigorous great tasting females for example if it is vigor that is your secondary concern. the first should always be the resin that produced if we are going to improve upon what we all ready have, and that is the goal of breeding. anything elce is just pollen chucking.
There is a Hermi gene. and there are light leaks. make very sure you know the difference. males (and females) that show both sexes should be discarded; do not make seeds, do not grow out the prodgeny.
Breeding is a little more difficult than one might think. you have to have an area to force the males and give them time to show you the resin and stability of gender. Then and only then can you worry about structure and hollow stems, lol. Males used for breeding should resin up just like females. the resin can then be handled to determine the smell/taste characteristics and not before. The smell of a plant when a stem is rubbed is not what we are looking for here; unless we are breeding for good smelling stems. This process takes a month or so of forcing, the pollen should not be used untill you know what your working with. care should be used not to contaminate females.
clones of males should be used for timing of fecundation. not to mention a good male is hard to find. Boring smelling resin on a male can lead to boring smelling/tasting prodegy, However, resin on a male is resin on a male and he can still be used; these males are "blanks" and can hopefully let the mother flavor to shine Through providing she has it . Great smelling resin on a male more often leads to excellent seed and more great fathers.
This is in the breeders forumn, isn't it? whew! okays
Once the males virtues have been assesed you can now go on to breeding.
What? you say! That takes too long! all that isn't necessary, my friend just did this or that and he had good plants!
yes yes he did,
but he did it blind.
and luckily the plant is better than our good intentions which can be blind.
good weed makes good seed. good weed times unknown gives ya mediocracy. It can be spectacular too! thats just how life and genetics can be. but this is not breeding. Thats roulette. and it can end up wasting time if you grow out garbage.
breeding with a known male saves time and money in the long run. a male with good tasting resin is very likely to pass on that trait. So for that reason the resin of the male is most important factor (for selecting a male) and can bring fast success to the hopefull breader. it only takes a few months to find out how your males stack up. This is the real the secret of breeding that most people will never know/find out simply because you cant sell/smoke the males; they are never given a chance to prove themselves.
I would take a less than vigorous male with great tasting resin production than the most vigorous, tightly noded, hollow stemmed plant that didn't show resin when flowered. such males can be bred with known vigorous great tasting females for example if it is vigor that is your secondary concern. the first should always be the resin that produced if we are going to improve upon what we all ready have, and that is the goal of breeding. anything elce is just pollen chucking.
G
Guest
Man but you are talking genetics Mocos and mofos
I pretty much "know?" what kind of genetics I need for my latitude
but classifying bud...
That's like buying coffee for tee drinkers
I don't think that it is "that hard"....
Honestly!
Like I said... I'll stick to natural selection as that has been the procedure for X amounts of time (X times infinity)
I'm talking tens and tens of years here... I'm in no hurry
Aka... my lifetime project
I don't think that hermies will be the problem in the long run
But I'm a goofy gardener so I will make no attempt in knowledge around these parts... I'm just guessing
..and btw Mocos... yer post although extensive and informative... is so long it is confusing mon... nobody got the energy nor time to read it all...
Please keep it short, clean and straight to the point
..look who is talking smack but we get it man... keep it short and concise
Science only goes as far as human
You are under the ILL-(Con)fusion that you can affect a plant... ?
Most of you cannot even affect humans... Silly!...
You can.. but not in the way that you assume!
Peace
SF
I pretty much "know?" what kind of genetics I need for my latitude
but classifying bud...
That's like buying coffee for tee drinkers
I don't think that it is "that hard"....
Honestly!
Like I said... I'll stick to natural selection as that has been the procedure for X amounts of time (X times infinity)
I'm talking tens and tens of years here... I'm in no hurry
Aka... my lifetime project
I don't think that hermies will be the problem in the long run
But I'm a goofy gardener so I will make no attempt in knowledge around these parts... I'm just guessing
..and btw Mocos... yer post although extensive and informative... is so long it is confusing mon... nobody got the energy nor time to read it all...
Please keep it short, clean and straight to the point
..look who is talking smack but we get it man... keep it short and concise
Science only goes as far as human
You are under the ILL-(Con)fusion that you can affect a plant... ?
Most of you cannot even affect humans... Silly!...
You can.. but not in the way that you assume!
Peace
SF
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title of thread: what to look for in a male?
title of thread: what to look for in a male?
Like breeds like
stoners are lazy
resin is good
find a good male with resin
there are resinous males
take the time to find a good male
stoners are lazy
it takes two to tango
my friend is Soul Fertilizer
title of thread: what to look for in a male?
Soul Fertilizer said:
Like breeds like
stoners are lazy
resin is good
find a good male with resin
there are resinous males
take the time to find a good male
stoners are lazy
it takes two to tango
my friend is Soul Fertilizer
G
Guest
.. and so it goes
In the forge of eternal Life
(now don't be scared)
In the forge of eternal Life
(now don't be scared)
G
Guest
Now you are talking potency!
One man might be mighty stoned on I mountain
.. Jimi and Bobby smoked different I...
Like I said..
No sweat
No fret
Mon
One man might be mighty stoned on I mountain
.. Jimi and Bobby smoked different I...
Like I said..
No sweat
No fret
Mon
G
Guest
Who said that... and in what context?
Famous arguments without no referance?
Total confusion
Please elaborate.. on the question Ganico
SF
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Like breeds like...
Get down with it
What would be your question for the Sphynx
Famous arguments without no referance?
Total confusion
Please elaborate.. on the question Ganico
SF
--Edit--
Like breeds like...
Get down with it
What would be your question for the Sphynx
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Guest
rofl...welcome Mocos!
Brilliant posts,
Bests, Flores
