What is Skunk?

[Texas Kid]

Description of Trainwreck by the late great Dr. Jay

Train Wreck

Of all the strains called "medical" there is, in my mind, no better nor stronger strain than Train Wreck.
Train Wreck is an old hybrid (1970's) from Humbodlt of lowland Thai, Mexican Sativa, and a very solid and potent Afghani.

Train Wreck (TW) is particularly good for the treatment of migraine, pain, and nausea.

While TW is thought to be a Sativa dominant (and looks like it) it's actually got quite a bit of Afghan in it making this an extremely potent hybrid. I'm guessing our TW is probably a 65/35 Sativa/Indica.

There are a few true TW seeds around but don't expect to find them. If you did you'd be real surprised that this 42 flower strain from clone is 9 months when grown from seed. This is because in Train Wreck the gene that controls flowering is time from germination.

You can see that Wreck is almost vine like with fine Sativa like leaves. Resin production begins almost immediately in flower and can cover the entire plant in frost.

One of the striking things about Wreck is the color. It's not really green at all. Here's some of my popcorn nuggies taken from a small plant at day 42.

Train Wreck is an excellent strain for SCROG. Here's some Humboldt Wreck harvested at 42 days following an indoor Odro grow.

Some caution about Train Wreck....This strain is a creeper, especially when fresh. You take one toke and it takes a good 5 minutes before you find yourself toasted. Some make the mistake of toking while they're waiting for that first toke and find themselves truly stoned. Heck, my wife smoked Wreck by mistake and got lost in the pool

Cured for 3-4 weeks, TW loses some of the "creeper" quality and becomes rock hard nuggies that are stronger than most hash.

Finally, the taste is of a mentholated dead whale dipped in lemon gasoline.

Yours,
Dr. Jay

 

[motaco]

thats funny I've grown alot of TW knockoffs from seed and they flowered pretty quick and were pretty good representations of the line.

I've also never experienced creeper from TW either. always hits me like a ton of bricks.

first time I tried TW I took a bong rip and it took like 10 minutes for me to just stop staring at the scissors on the table.

 

[TORC]

Sorry guys. I guess I was reading the wrong material from the wrong source. I'll gently remove foot from mouth now.

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

The trainwreak from California I've tried a few times, definatly had a clean body stone, with very little phyco-active commponet to it. It was nice to have such a clean body stone, I can see why it would be usefull to medical patients,

 

[Guest]

Great thread after all...time to prune

 

[Guest]

can anyone tell me? ... is this what a skunk seedling looks like?

 

[DarkGreen]

more thoughts on skunk

more thoughts on skunk

There is a lot mentioning sativa crossing with indica/afghan to get a skunky smelling plant.

skunk#1 = (colombian gold x afghan) x mex A.gold
trainwreck = thai x mexican x afghani

Is there colombian in trainwreck? I saw Texas Kid mention that TW is a makeup of 65/35 sat to indica ratio. My big question is:

What about AK-47? Now that is a cross of
Colombian x Mexican x Thai x Afghani and it is a ratio of 65/35 sativa/indica and it has a variation in smells ranging from woodsy/skunky/fruity/floral.

I am surprised now one has mentioned AK47 from Serious. It's genetics are similar to Skunk#1 and Trainwreck in some variation. I am sure that someone could find a skunk smelling/reeking variant in AK. Plus it is an above average yielder with great potency. How does one arrive at AK47? Do you cross the colombian and thai then cross the afghan in, and then finally the mexican?

There is also a plant called Americano by a company once called Enterprise seeds. It was a cross of NL x Skunk. The description of it says that Americans came up to Vancouver looking for buds that fill a pound bag well, having tight buds, a lack of orange and red hairs, and crystal appearance. It also mentioned that the smell is overwhelmingly skunky. I think that this company is not around anymore, but I wonder if the genetics are around? Anyone else know?

There is a mention of TomHill saying that strains from India is where to look for a pungent type smell. Zamalito also mentioned strains from Brazil having a very pungent/distinct odor. If one were to look at a cross of these two genes, one would have a plant called White Widow which is a cross of Super Skunk Brazilian x South Indian. Also another post I saw from the beginning said that the only plant that had close the the skunky odor was Black Widow from Shanti. The descriptions said that it the buds have a lack of orange/red hair and an odor of ammonia/skunk/pine type. I am sure that if one were to use Widow and it's hybrids that one will arrive at a skunk type smell.

Another breeder who uses a lot of genetics from Brazil is KC Brains. But his popularity as a breeder in general is not that good. Some say that his strains have not much to be desired.

Also mentioned by Zamalito and DJ Short is the Thai strains having a lot of pungent and variation in odors when breeding. The basis of DJ Short's Blue lines are Thai, Mexican, and Afghan origin. But his breeding went down the sweet, fruity, blue path as well in most of his genetics. I am sure that one could manipulate Blueberry, Flo, Blue Velvet, or Blue Moonshine in a way to get a skunky skunk smelling hybrid. As Tom Hill mentioned, is that the F2's will have a lot of variation, and one could use those Thai/Afghan genetics from the blue line to get skunk.

I went to Reefermans website to checkout some SE Asian genetics. I took a look at the pic of the Burmese Delight (and I suggest that some of you do as well) and it seemed to have what I was looking for. That pic of the plant had a hairless and monotone color look. He also has some paki, lebanese, cambodian, s.american, vietnamese genetics. The description of burmese strains says that it is skunky. And he has/had many different crosses of burmese.

There is an issue of High Times out now that has an article about a strain called Vietnamese Dalat. It looks like that may have potential for a skunky type if crossed with a good solid IBL afghan.

I read that Godbud may have potential for a skunky smell. Does anyone have any experience with Godbud? I saw a thread where a grower named dc105 grew GB along with NYCD x bubblegum. It is mentioned somewhere that Godbud is a cross of God x Hawaiian x Purple indica. I am not sure that that means????? It may be Shiva x Hawaiian Ind x afghan? I am not sure. It may be like HDF, but it's just a guess. here is link
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=15986

Take a look at his harvested colas. They resemble the elongated and hairless look.

Obviously I did a lot of thinking. I wish I had the grow space to try and manipulate the genetics. I wish I could go and work for some seedbank or breeder. Maybe someday.......If anyone has any input...I think that skunk can be any strain that smells like a skunk...so it can be any strain. Skunk#1 is a 3 way hybrid, so I think that any 3 or 4 way hybrid may turn out skunky. It could be a guess but I would like to try this hybrid out.

(SE Asian x Sour Diesel) and then cross it to
(Blue God x White Russian) it's just a guess..

DarkGreen

 

[Guest]

Right on XyZ,
now cross those chunky girls w/a long tall glass of water(lanky sativa). Then get into the f2 gen & find broads with a disposition of sativa veg (budstack along the length of the primaries)+ afghan bud (chunky through n through) & you'll have all that is what we're lookin for, & will always look for...add a lanky sat to the above equation & you have all the raw material you need...

......about Deep Chunk.

that's the gnarliest post ive ever read....you cant fuck with tom hill or the skunkman.....

 

[XyZ]

The Deep Chunk is by far the best affi i ever smoked, & on top, it's a purple~hashplant
it's not just an afghan, obviously is that selection of the best individuals made such a beauty progeny, all potent&tasty chunks ...that means, Respect to Tom!

He recommended me to hit this chunky girls with a sativa... my hand already made a few crosses but the sativa i have very high hopes is Haze (cuz its a proven breeder
I like the idea to use the haze male on chunky females. trying both ways and lookin which is closer to my ideal... that's easy to say let's keep it real, it takes nearly a half year to complete a pure haze grow with females.

But I have to say that I'm also very impressed with the stuff from Dj'Short, his best results came with Thai females and he stated that this is what we should aim for if we want special flavors (using the sativa as female

My goal is to create a special tasting herb & my opinion is that sativa is not just sativa, sativas are different as well as indicas.

So Tom we need you back! (ok i understand him, there is no much reason to be online if living in California But i would like to know if the kids are similar in taste to the counter cross or very (how) different? (& i believe that Tom is one of the few or perhaps the only who tried both ways with DC & Haze)

 

[DarkGreen]

your skunk

your skunk

Secondly lu and I are breeding one from scratch not using an afghan but a ubc chemo a manga rosa and a thai.

I've been a little too longwinded. Let me shorten this question.

Zam...you mentioned about how using Manga Rosa will take the sweetness out of any cross and provide the acrid, sour, motor oil smell to the hybrid. What is the other part of the White Widow cross which is Indian because WW is 40% indica? Kerala is a sativa, so is there another Indian used? What does UBC Chemo contribute to the skunk you want to create? There isn't much info on it. Is Federation still making it? Which Thai would be best for the skunk? How would it contribute? You mentioned Cambodian before, and would that be better since it is a Christmass tree formation? What are your thoughts on TFD's Thai-tanic?

 

[Blazned]

RKS

RKS

Well guys, sorry to see all the people who dont even know what a skunk smells like trying to have an opinion on what time2unite and others want. WE want a weed that is extremely high in thc and the other cannibinoids, that smells like a skunk that has just sprayed. I grew RKS from bagseed for eight years, I selfed some females forcing them to go hermie, and I also used pollen from strong males. Over the years I outcrossed to other weeds with extremely high potency in order to maintain vigor. I usually would cross a hybrid male back to one of my skunk mothers, I would then grow out these to seed and pick the best (strongest smelling like skunk) for future breeding. I developed a purple skunk this way by crossing a strong indica dominant strain with my skunks. after some more inbreeding I was able to get a true RKS that was purple, although the smell may not have been as strong or intense as the original RKS it was plenty strong. my point is that if I am blessed I may still have these seeds in storage. I know I saved them but not sure if they were thrown out by my wife, or possibly me in the process of moving everything to storage. It was 8 years ago that I crammed everything I owned into a storage unit. Been paying to store shit I haven,t used in 8 years, how dumb is that LOL. If I can find these seeds, and thats a big if, I will grow them out and self some to try to get more seeds. As I remember even the purple one was fairly stable. I never had the hairless skunk you guys refer to, but as I recall it had way less hairs than most weed I've seen. I believe the RKS smell was bred out most likely for security reasons. My grow area was about 200 yards from my back door, and when this shit was blooming mad you could smell it from my back door through some of the thickest woods you'll ever see in the U.S. And it was by far the most memorable of all indica dominant weed I've ever had, including all these new "named" weeds. Hell to me a bag of weed is just that, it gets you where you like or it don't. I could care less about all these Dutch strains, seems to me they've bred out a lot of flavor. I guess I'm rambling again.

 

[Guest]

Now, I want to try Deep Chunk, but not at 1K a pop.

 

[imnotcrazy]

Hey guys just read this thread front to back and wanted to share some thoughts:

First and foremost, it's good to see that the ass got binned and not the thread as this place is becoming more reminiscent of the sites that prooceeded it. Lots of good info in this thread and I don't feel anyone was arguing (except THAT guy ) moreso just expressing opinions.

I believe you could go several ways to accomplish the goal of breeding an RKS smelling cannabis strain from any variety of plants, many diff strains/hybrids/landraces have varieties of flavour/smell. But I feel it's probably best to follow the intuitions of guys like Tom and Sam, they layed the some/ALOT of the ground work, especially Sam at the grassroots level and with enmasse selection and groups of growers/breeders each doing a small part to reach goals. This really wouldn't be possible w/o legalization of cannabis these days. Do you want to be caught with 20,000 plants these days?

Nowadays, breeding takes a keen eye and green hands, not thumbs, help too. These guys have been growing since before I was born and can voice their opinions same as anyone else, but I'm goin to take their responses in like a sponge cause they started it all. Others that came after show the same RESPECT. And I, along w/many others show guys like REZDOG respect, not kiss their asses, because he has that eye for the selection process as is evident in his hybrids.

T2U and others, I also don't feel anyone intended to bash anyone else, just sometimes comes across the wrong way on a monitor :wink: But as for the RKS weed you're looking for, I believe it was bred out for taste and the times. Sam put his take for high in on it, and the sweet smell was either a byproduct in his quest for the high he wanted and/or was bred out due to efficent methods of orod control being available/designed at those times.

Hell, I was only born in 1980, I can only LISTEN AND LEARN

 

[Truth]

I don't care if I sound like an old fart. The weed really was way better 25 years ago.

are you willing to take into account the effects of long term smoking on immunity?

No matter who you are, it will always be easier to get high at least the first time smoking, and depending on how much you smoke, you could get high easily still. You could of been a fresh-head back then. I noticed that after a few years of smoking, I did not get the same effect that I did the first couple of years. I can only get that effect when I don't smoke for say a month. I don't deny you think weed was better back then..but maybe it was just stronger to you. The labs have been testing the THC levels over years and years, and I see nothing but rises, no declines. It is possible that there was MORE good stuff available, and regularly sold...than say the swag today. And since there was less busts on it, there was less risk, meaning more importing and exporting. Many people do put emphasis on speed these days, rather than quality..even with drying/curing/shipping. If anything, bud hasn't changed at all, and has gotten better. The rest is up to the growers and smugglers. Of course, large commercial crops will not be 100% high quality cannabis. practices have changed, laws have changed. growers have changed.

 

[zamalito]

Ok, here's my take on it an I'll also try to answer your questions darkgreen. I personally believe the reason various roadkill skunks came about around the same time is this. People were mostly growing from bagseed. In my earlier years of growing when my stock came chiefly from bagseed and I'm sure many other growers before me since bagseed was so plentiful I'd germinate 4-500 seeds at a time. In early veg I'd select the plants which were either very distinct looking or plants which were the most pungent in veg. Have you ever noticed that plants in veg and the skunky qualities of herb even if the herb itself isn't that skunk carries really far? Like sour diesel for example. It doesn't smell skunk if you smell it directly but if you open a large bag all people in the next room smell is skunk. Just like how when your around veg plants you won't smell skunkines but in the next room you can smell them. I believe that the skunky qualities of herb aren't in the glandular trichs. It mostly occurs in either vegetative material or nonglandular trichs. This means that possibly one can select skunky plants from thousands of seedlings without flowering them. This is possibly why skunky herb appeared in the us everywhere around the same time. Because everyone was germing tons of seeds for outdoor growth and thinning their plants heavily by selecting plants in veg based on their skunkiness.

Other things to take into consideration is in my experience primary flavors come from the maternal line. Even in a four way hybrid the dominant flavor will be the mother's mother. Pungency and overtones come primarily from the paternal line. Here's some crosses that I believe have potentials. Like tom hill said much focus should be placed on the f2 and f3 generations with regards to flavor. Only select which very closely resembles your ideal. It shouldn't be that hard if you're not too concerned with the type of buzz.

Darkgreen I'm not certain about which thai to use I'm kind of abandoning my thoughts on the thai. The ubc chemo is used for its pungency


Skunkish Deep chunk female x Sour d ibl male (I have made a backwards version of this cross I will test)

White Shark female x sour d ibl male

White shark female x 1989 skunk 1 male

White shark female x superskunk

Cheese female x white shark male

Manga Rosa female x Cheese male

White Shark x ubc chemo

Htc skunk ibl x 1989 skunk 1

Htc skunk ibl x white shark

Buy two packs of either htc skunk ibl superskunk or white shark breed some f2's selecting based on pungency. Germ 500-1000 of the f2's in 2-3 weeks selecting the most pungent 10-20 plants in early veg. Grow those 10-20 plants select 2-3 most skunky females and 2-3 most pungent males for 2 generations. You should get pretty close.

 

[DarkGreen]

American strains

American strains

I was thinking about this too as Thai strains are mostly sweet. And most S.American, C.American, and Mexican strains are earthier, peppery, punchy. Most of the weed I have had was bagseed from south of the border. Anytime I smelled it, it tended to be a little skunky. It seems that most early crosses esp the sucessful ones were of Afghan x Mex or S.American bagseed. So I like the idea of looking into Mexican or S.American Sativas and crossing them into an afghan, WhiteShark, or superskunk. One strain that popped into my mind was Dr Greenthumb's Niagra. 75%Oaxacan x 25% Afghan. Maybe crossing that with Cheese, SDibl, super skunk, or WhiteShark?

 

[Elevator Man]

This may interest folks on this thread - I just posted some pics of my super-sativa (and super-freaky) Skunk#1 here: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42360&page=5&pp=15

This one was stopped at 94 days. Wonder if it may have a little more of the heritage discussed here? Bearing in mind my lack of exposure to real skunks...

 

[Blazned]

thats some pretty bud elevator man. Nice pictures.

 

[PrimaNochta]

I'll take the smell of a rodent over the smell of chems in poor commercial.

 

[Guest]

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