Wearing Masks

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- it is difficult for us parents - the kids have already been off school for 6 months - so they went back today - I can't be segregating myself from them - if I get this covid - I'll have to deal with it - I suppose.

- what's the alternative - keep them home indefinitely?

 

[GMT]

Coughing and sneezing aren't symptoms of covid. That's the flu.
This isn't a case of opinion, its facts. You can't go on personal experience, go on global statistics collected by doctors and collated by statisticians.
Its one thing to disagree on religion or politics, but not on whether throwing people off a cliff is bad for them.

 

[GMT]

Till the vaccine is distributed gypsy, not for the kids, but at the very least those with more than one co morbidity, though I admit I'm looking from a selfish perspective.

 

[Amynamous]

That's untrue.. This is what the CDC says about it.

CDC warns that all people with Covid-19, including those with mild cases of the disease and children, "can still pass this virus onto others who may be at higher risk, including older adults and people who have serious underlying medical conditions."

Perhaps it depends on the age of the children.
Perhaps, it also depends on the country doing the research/analyzing the research.
There seems to be pros and cons with keeping kids home and pros and cons with sending them to school.
To complicate matters, the pros and cons can change with each family, depending on their circumstances.
The pandemic of 1918 attacked children more than elders. Many schools ended up taking their classes outside. Iirc, some areas had a challenging time holding outdoor classes during the winter months, but they got through it.
I don’t know what the best workable solution is.
Good thing school districts had plenty of time to prepare(sarcasm).

 

[packerfan79]

We have a holiday in front of us. Each holiday we have had this summer has been followed two weeks later with a spike in infections and deaths.

Would sure be nice to see those numbers decrease for a change.

Conveniently there were also BLM riots around those times With 10s of thousands of people screaming, with few mask, zero social distancing, lots of rioting and looting.

I know, I know. BLM riot covid immunity. Sorry I forgot.

I am sure it's just a coincidence. Only family bbqs could spread covid. BLM wants to disrupt the nuclear family, must be due to the severe danger of spending time with family. I thought being a good father was a good thing, we should all aspire to. I guess I was wrong.

Man it's a good thing BLM is here saving lives from covid. If we have to let BLM burn our country to the ground to save one life from covid that's a sacrifice we must deal with.

 

[packerfan79]

you think schools should stay closed? for ever, or what? this virus is staying with us, it will become as common as the flue, in a few years it will not kill any more then a normal flue season. there is no going back, we have to learn to accept that its here to stay, every one of us will have to fight it off sooner or later. hiding in your mask is only delaying the inevitable. the good news is that your chances of surviving it are very good at this stage, in fact most likely you already have some immunity and won't even get symptoms. but yes cases will go up, but the death count will not. it has already stabilized.

schools being closed is making the children's lives hell, but worse then that its being done for no good scientifically backed reason. just look at the stats about 15 and under. teachers can practice distancing and wear masks, just like sales people and every other fucker has to wear them now. not opening them is totally selfish and probably motivated by politics, as eu nations have opened up schools ages ago.

So, the EU is made up of Trump supporters?

Only selfish Trump supporters want to open the schools.

 

[packerfan79]

As I posted previously, I am generally in agreement with this. I am not really aware of school structures in various European countries but in America they are only training grounds for being compliant members of society. This is the intention but in reality discrimination and bullying are practiced. Walking through those doors kids enter a big social rivalry. Very few children once in school remain kind. Many students with true intelligence are belittled, stifled and become introverted with low self esteem.

To parents it is a convenient babysitter.

The covid virus is providing an opportunity to change this archaic educational system to one which combines small groups and computerized standardized curriculae. Getting an education should not include a social competition soap opera.

Do you have an opinion on the loss of socialization and one on one for special needs kids?

If you feel more comfortable DM me. I don't want you to get roasted.

 

[xavier7995]

Packer, those both rank really high on why I think kids should be in school. I also include kids from either poor backgrounds or just that don't have a good homelife are harmed and will fall behind. Schools a lifeline for some.

The whole situation just sorta sucks and there isnt a good or right answer.

 

[Gry]

Conveniently there were also BLM riots around those times With 10s of thousands of people screaming, with few mask, zero social distancing, lots of rioting and looting.

I know, I know. BLM riot covid immunity. Sorry I forgot.

I am sure it's just a coincidence. Only family bbqs could spread covid. BLM wants to disrupt the nuclear family, must be due to the severe danger of spending time with family. I thought being a good father was a good thing, we should all aspire to. I guess I was wrong.

Man it's a good thing BLM is here saving lives from covid. If we have to let BLM burn our country to the ground to save one life from covid that's a sacrifice we must deal with.

Were may I ask was it that you saw the claimed tens of thousands BLM people screaming in a group with no masks or social distancing ?
I guess the same source that claims BLM intends to burn the country down?
Gee, the only thing I can recall they demanded here was a new DA to
actually do something about the number of police shootings.

 

[packerfan79]

Packer, those both rank really high on why I think kids should be in school. I also include kids from either poor backgrounds or just that don't have a good homelife are harmed and will fall behind. Schools a lifeline for some.

The whole situation just sorta sucks and there isnt a good or right answer.

Very thoughtful response.

Everything I have read says kids don't spread it. Most of the world has kids back in school. Those countries aren't on the verge of a civil war, like we are.

 

[Switcher56]

Perhaps it depends on the age of the children.
Perhaps, it also depends on the country doing the research/analyzing the research.
There seems to be pros and cons with keeping kids home and pros and cons with sending them to school.
To complicate matters, the pros and cons can change with each family, depending on their circumstances.
The pandemic of 1918 attacked children more than elders. Many schools ended up taking their classes outside. Iirc, some areas had a challenging time holding outdoor classes during the winter months, but they got through it.
I don’t know what the best workable solution is.
Good thing school districts had plenty of time to prepare(sarcasm).

LOL (yes I got the sarcasm) Here, teachers have booked 2 PDs Tue & Wed. School is supposed to start Tue (after Labour Day) to make final preparations. Seriously, you had 6 months to do so. Wankers!

 

[packerfan79]

Were may I ask was it that you saw the claimed tens of thousands BLM people screaming in a group with no masks or social distancing ?
I guess the same source that claims BLM intends to burn the country down?
Gee, the only thing I can recall they demanded here was a new DA to
actually do something about the number of police shootings.

L.A., Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, New York, St. Louis, Washington DC, just a handful of the cities with BLM riots. They were fiery, but mostly peaceful.

What do there demands have to do with, rioting, while not social distancing. I know you aren't far from the rioting. In fact I prayed for your safely. Knowing how close you were.

 

[xavier7995]

I have seen that as well, also stuff about "prolonged" exposure...but it just doesn't make sense to me. Why would kids not be just as likely to spread it as adults? They might be much better equipped to get it and recover, but that transmission part just doesn't make sense to me. Same sort of thought regarding prolonged exposure, I just dont see how sitting in a germ cloud for 15 minutes is different than a super short exposure, the virus gets in either way and then replicates.

Eh, regardless of those, I do back kids going back to school as I think that many who were already vulnerable in some way wind up with the short end of the stick.

 

[packerfan79]

I have seen that as well, also stuff about "prolonged" exposure...but it just doesn't make sense to me. Why would kids not be just as likely to spread it as adults? They might be much better equipped to get it and recover, but that transmission part just doesn't make sense to me. Same sort of thought regarding prolonged exposure, I just dont see how sitting in a germ cloud for 15 minutes is different than a super short exposure, the virus gets in either way and then replicates.

Eh, regardless of those, I do back kids going back to school as I think that many who were already vulnerable in some way wind up with the short end of the stick.

What I have read, said kids have a much lower viral load.

I read something yesterday saying that 90 % of asymptomatic couldn't spread it. I don't know why.

Areas with lockdowns have a drastically higher infection rate. Like here in California, locked down for 6 months, still out of hand. Not in my area though.

 

[Amynamous]

I think that very young children are practically immune, as if the virus can’t take hold. And as they get older, they become more susceptible.
I’ll go out on a limb here with my crazy theory, but i think it’s related to the ACE2 receptors. That probably means very little to non medical people, but that’s how the virus gets into cells to replicate. Maybe the ACE2 receptors change with age, allowing easier entry as we age.
Hmmmm......deeep stoner thoughts

 

[Gry]

L.A., Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, New York, St. Louis, Washington DC, just a handful of the cities with BLM riots. They were fiery, but mostly peaceful.

What do there demands have to do with, rioting, while not social distancing. I know you aren't far from the rioting. In fact I prayed for your safely. Knowing how close you were.

Thank you most kindly Packer. The protests always seem to be down town, and I live out in the middle of the valley. Been a few years since I have had the energy to make it down there.
I wish the best for you and yours and have asked the good lord that your children might be blessed with similar opportunities that I had in my youth.

 

[packerfan79]

I think that very young children are practically immune, as if the virus can’t take hold. And as they get older, they become more susceptible.
I’ll go out on a limb here with my crazy theory, but i think it’s related to the ACE2 receptors. That probably means very little to non medical people, but that’s how the virus gets into cells to replicate. Maybe the ACE2 receptors change with age, allowing easier entry as we age.
Hmmmm......deeep stoner thoughts

I don't think they are immune, just don't have a high enough viral load to spread it. I believe 10 and under are much less likely to spread it. As a father of 3 kids 10 and younger, it seems practically impossible for them not to spread it. They are grem factories. My boys are much worse than my daughter. When they are sick forget about it, everyone is going to get sick.

Every night we go water the garden, and in the 15 minutes that takes someone is elbow deep in mud.Drives my wife crazy. Lol.

 

[Microbeman]

dude, kids already spend way too much time behind a screen, schooling must not increase that time in any significant way, it's unhealthy and kills brain cells. go out in the forest and hold classes, yes to smaller groups and all the rest, but no to doing it on a screen, thats just so counterproductive i can't believe people would seriously think its a solution. it will ruin a whole generation if we don't get them back to school, yes there is bullying, but thats life, kids have to learn to socialize and form co-operatives. they need to be with other kids too, its part of growing up. all this safe space nonsense is just ruining young people, making them weak spoilt cry babies that think the world owes them everything.

I think kids who grow up on a farm are much better rounded people than those who attend the mega schools. I personally think the socializing thing is bullshit. Do I have to say dude?

Computer generated curriculae does not necessarily mean screen time by the way. It just means standardized.

 

[Microbeman]

Do you have an opinion on the loss of socialization and one on one for special needs kids?

If you feel more comfortable DM me. I don't want you to get roasted.

I've assisted with setting up curriculae for special needs students. By using a computer to assist with the feedback, one can zero in on potential problems quickly. I'm not suggesting staying home, in case that is what you surmise. You did note I said small groups?

As a child, I was fortunate to learn in a small group where my learning was not restricted as it is in the monster schools. That sort of socialization creates just what you see in America today.

I will leave out a smart aleck comment. Is that okay?

 

[GMT]

Where is all this mis info coming from. The viral loads present in people of any age is identical when tested. The lower the initial number of viral infectants inhaled, the more time the immune system has to mount a defense, but whether you are a child, an adult, have symptoms or don't, you are infectious to others and equally so.