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h.h.

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I actually think it just shows how much smarter the Swedes are to voluntarily shut down, etc. The Americans treated it politically. Real smart.

Just the “Americans” that are imposing their “rights” on the rest of us. Shipmates on a rudderless vessel.


Am I in my cabin dreaming
Or are you really scheming
To take my ship away from me?
You'd better think about it
I just can't live without it
So, please don't take my ship from me
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I can feel the hand of a stranger
And it's tightening around my throat
Heaven help me, heaven help me
Take this stranger from my boat
I'm your captain, I'm your captain
Though I'm feeling mighty sick
Everybody, listen to me
And return me my ship
 

h.h.

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. Hey, hey Cripple Creek ferry
Butting through the overhanging trees
Make way for the Cripple Creek ferry
The waters going down it's a mighty tight squeeze
All alone the captain stands
Hasn't heard from his deck hands
The gambler tips his hat and walks towards the door
It's the second half of the cruise
And you know he hates to lose
Hey, hey Cripple Creek ferry
Butting through the overhanging trees
Make way for the Cripple Creek ferry
The waters going down it's a mighty tight squeeze
...
 

EsterEssence

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Our fearless leader took his mask off as soon as he got back to the White House, and turned around so he could show no mask, I believe he is showing his base his weakness about following the guidelines about the wearing masks when he is a hot virus spreader...
 
Every lung full of air that you inhale contains a mix of gasses that are in our atmosphere. When you exhale into a mask, it is true that some of the co2 you exhale may remain under your mask however the next inhale will also bring fresh air through the mask wall and into your lungs. Any slight amount of excess co2 inhaled at that point is not going to harm you. Also, we are on a forum based on cannabis cultivation and consumption. When you inhale cannabis smoke, it means you are inhaling a foreign element into your lungs and leaving less room for oxygen in the old breath sacks. So if you won't wear a mask for this reason, you may want to also cease to smoke ganja. Sometimes you just have to sit back, smoke a fatty and appreciate how stupid people are. The "I don't want to breath my own co2" folks will always amaze.
 

Sam_Skunkman

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CNN is owned by the largest investment firm on the planet..this firm is so large that it has its fingers in over 10% of all global economy... this is why CNN and other news organizations are going after Trump..he wants to reverse globalism which wont work too well for these giant global investment firms..

The largest investment firms are:
Rank Firm/company Country AUM Trillions (AUM=Assets Under Management)
1 BlackRock USA 6,5
2 The Vanguard Group USA 6,2
3 Charles Schwab Corporation USA 3,36
4 UBS Switzerland 3,1
5 State Street Global Advisors USA 2,8
6 Fidelity Investments USA 3.3
7 Allianz Germany 2,2
8 PIMCO United States 1,9
9 J.P. Morgan Asset Management USA 1,9
10 BNY Mellon Investment Management USA 1,8


Fact:
BlackRock Fund Advisors owns 5.03% 19,563,272 shares of CNN.
FYI 5% does not mean you have control of CNN maybe just maybe, you are like chicken little?
The sky is falling....
You spread FAKE news dude...
-SamS
 
The largest investment firms are:
Rank Firm/company Country AUM Trillions (AUM=Assets Under Management)
1 BlackRock USA 6,5
2 The Vanguard Group USA 6,2
3 Charles Schwab Corporation USA 3,36
4 UBS Switzerland 3,1
5 State Street Global Advisors USA 2,8
6 Fidelity Investments USA 3.3
7 Allianz Germany 2,2
8 PIMCO United States 1,9
9 J.P. Morgan Asset Management USA 1,9
10 BNY Mellon Investment Management USA 1,8


Fact:
BlackRock Fund Advisors owns 5.03% 19,563,272 shares of CNN.
FYI 5% does not mean you have control of CNN maybe just maybe, you are like chicken little?
The sky is falling....
You spread FAKE news dude...
-SamS


these entities are the source of all the corruption
 

unregistered190

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Veteran
I do wear a facial diaper whilst at work (required), but off it comes at 5pm.

I also have noticed less and less folks wearing them at the grocery store, restaurants, etc. and even thoughb we still have very few bad cases around these parts. Everyone I know that has had it shook it off like a bad cold or the yearly flu.

:dunno:

But I do practice good hygiene...
 
The largest investment firms are:
Rank Firm/company Country AUM Trillions (AUM=Assets Under Management)
1 BlackRock USA 6,5
2 The Vanguard Group USA 6,2
3 Charles Schwab Corporation USA 3,36
4 UBS Switzerland 3,1
5 State Street Global Advisors USA 2,8
6 Fidelity Investments USA 3.3
7 Allianz Germany 2,2
8 PIMCO United States 1,9
9 J.P. Morgan Asset Management USA 1,9
10 BNY Mellon Investment Management USA 1,8


Fact:
BlackRock Fund Advisors owns 5.03% 19,563,272 shares of CNN.
FYI 5% does not mean you have control of CNN maybe just maybe, you are like chicken little?
The sky is falling....
You spread FAKE news dude...
-SamS


Vanguard and Blackrock own 18% of Newscorp... look at the combined ownership and its easy to see why they are so eager to remove Trump... Globalization has made those investment firms what they are today, Trump's policies to reverse globalism will cost them Trillions in losees
 

Sam_Skunkman

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Larry Fink who owns BlackRock is a member of Trump's Strategic and Policy Forum.
Is News Corp a major share holder of CNN?
-SamS
 

Cannavore

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"Trump wants to reverse globalism"


Lol I have no words. The globally known billionaire who expanded the military 3x, sold arms to the Saudis so they can genocide Yemen, the guy who has all of the goods for his companies made overseas, the guy who continues to outsource jobs, the guy in the pocket of israel, the guy who gave permanent tax breaks to trans national corporations, is anti globalist lol.


"David Frum, a Trump detractor, puts it very well in his new book, Trumpocracy, when he describes the Republicans as “a coalition of the nation’s biggest winners from globalization and its biggest losers. The winners wrote the policy; the losers provided the votes.” You might say the losers, the downtrodden working-class and white nationalist voters who still rabidly support Trump, have been sucker-punched."

Frum sucks but hes on the money there^
 
The Leftist lies and authoritarianism

The Leftist lies and authoritarianism

Here are 17 Medical Articles proving that masks are not only useless, but also dangerous. Should anyone like some data:
1) “There is little evidence to support the effectiveness of face masks to reduce the risk of infection.” https://www.cambridge.org/.../face_masks_to_prevent...
2) “...laboratory-confirmed viral infections were significantly higher in the cloth masks group. Virus particle penetration was almost 97%. ...the results caution against the use of cloth masks.. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks, and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435...
3) “...surgical and handmade masks, and face shields, generate significant leakage jets that have the potential to disperse virus-laden fluid particles by several meters. ....They all showed an intense backward jet for heavy breathing and coughing conditions. It is important to be aware of this jet, to avoid a false sense of security that may arise when standing to the side of, or behind, a person wearing a surgical, or handmade mask, or shield.” https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2005/2005.10720.pdf...
4) JAMA: “Face masks should not be worn by healthy individuals to protect themselves from acquiring respiratory infection because there is no evidence to suggest that face masks worn by healthy individuals are effective in preventing people from becoming ill.” https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762694...
5) “Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
6) From one meta analysis of masks to prevent infection, N95 masks and respirators no less: “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22188875/
7) “...both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS-CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.” https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342...&
8. NEJM: “We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. ....The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.” https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372...
9) Just a note, respiratory acidosis is bad and leads to also polyuria, urinary acidosis, kidney damage, and hypercapnia. The stress response from lowered oxygen causes cortisol to rise, potently so, which lowers immune vigilance increasing infection risk. “Respiratory acidosis develops when air into and exhaled from the lungs does not get adequately exchanged between the carbon dioxide from the body and oxygen from the air.” https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/313110...
10) Also note, deoxygenation is bad and not only leads to and/or exacerbates headaches disorders, a hypoxic state can create and/or activate malignant cells within 48 hours. Know what else leads to increased cancer risk? Acidosis. (note article above this one on respiratory acidosis) This is old work from Otto Warburg himself. “Most health care workers develop de novo PPE associated headaches or exacerbation of their pre-existing headache disorders.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32232837/
11) The meta analysis is the most reliable data set as the reproducibility of results is scientifically so powerful.
Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../10.1111/jebm.12381...
12) “A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Meta analysis of 17 studies. Key points: “There is little evidence to support the effectiveness of face masks to reduce the risk of infection.” and “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../j.1750-2659.2011...
13) A 2017 meta-analysis of 23 studies and six controlled trials found, as did the current 2020 analysis, that yet again there was bias in studies that claimed masks provide protective benefits. The analysis removed the bias and concluded that that masks are not effective: “Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant.” https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567...
14) Even in May 2020 the CDC (yes, the CDC)published an analysis of several studies that notes the ineffectiveness of hand washing and mask wearing for prevention of influenza infection and transmission. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article...
15) From the CDC, again: “Available evidence shows that (cloth masks)… may even increase the risk of infection due to moisture, liquid diffusion and retention of the virus. Penetration of particles through cloth is reported to be high… Altogether, common fabric cloth masks are not considered protective against respiratory viruses and their use should not be encouraged.” https://www.cdc.gov/.../hcp/ppe-strategy/face-masks.html...
16) Four authors of this scientific analysis of numerous publications has stood since 2011:
“None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/...
17) Top EU health officials also agree that masks are pseudoscientific. https://fee.org/.../europes-top-health-officials-say.../...
 

Gry

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Veteran
"Trump wants to reverse globalism"


Lol I have no words. The globally known billionaire who expanded the military 3x, sold arms to the Saudis so they can genocide Yemen, the guy who has all of the goods for his companies made overseas, the guy who continues to outsource jobs, the guy in the pocket of israel, the guy who gave permanent tax breaks to trans national corporations, is anti globalist lol.


"David Frum, a Trump detractor, puts it very well in his new book, Trumpocracy, when he describes the Republicans as “a coalition of the nation’s biggest winners from globalization and its biggest losers. The winners wrote the policy; the losers provided the votes.” You might say the losers, the downtrodden working-class and white nationalist voters who still rabidly support Trump, have been sucker-punched."

Frum sucks but hes on the money there^
He was Mr DLC.
 

Gry

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Here are 17 Medical Articles proving that masks are not only useless, but also dangerous. Should anyone like some data:
1) “There is little evidence to support the effectiveness of face masks to reduce the risk of infection.” https://www.cambridge.org/.../face_masks_to_prevent...
2) “...laboratory-confirmed viral infections were significantly higher in the cloth masks group. Virus particle penetration was almost 97%. ...the results caution against the use of cloth masks.. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks, and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435...
3) “...surgical and handmade masks, and face shields, generate significant leakage jets that have the potential to disperse virus-laden fluid particles by several meters. ....They all showed an intense backward jet for heavy breathing and coughing conditions. It is important to be aware of this jet, to avoid a false sense of security that may arise when standing to the side of, or behind, a person wearing a surgical, or handmade mask, or shield.” https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2005/2005.10720.pdf...
4) JAMA: “Face masks should not be worn by healthy individuals to protect themselves from acquiring respiratory infection because there is no evidence to suggest that face masks worn by healthy individuals are effective in preventing people from becoming ill.” https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762694...
5) “Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
6) From one meta analysis of masks to prevent infection, N95 masks and respirators no less: “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22188875/
7) “...both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS-CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.” https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342...&
8. NEJM: “We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. ....The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.” https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372...
9) Just a note, respiratory acidosis is bad and leads to also polyuria, urinary acidosis, kidney damage, and hypercapnia. The stress response from lowered oxygen causes cortisol to rise, potently so, which lowers immune vigilance increasing infection risk. “Respiratory acidosis develops when air into and exhaled from the lungs does not get adequately exchanged between the carbon dioxide from the body and oxygen from the air.” https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/313110...
10) Also note, deoxygenation is bad and not only leads to and/or exacerbates headaches disorders, a hypoxic state can create and/or activate malignant cells within 48 hours. Know what else leads to increased cancer risk? Acidosis. (note article above this one on respiratory acidosis) This is old work from Otto Warburg himself. “Most health care workers develop de novo PPE associated headaches or exacerbation of their pre-existing headache disorders.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32232837/
11) The meta analysis is the most reliable data set as the reproducibility of results is scientifically so powerful.
Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../10.1111/jebm.12381...
12) “A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Meta analysis of 17 studies. Key points: “There is little evidence to support the effectiveness of face masks to reduce the risk of infection.” and “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../j.1750-2659.2011...
13) A 2017 meta-analysis of 23 studies and six controlled trials found, as did the current 2020 analysis, that yet again there was bias in studies that claimed masks provide protective benefits. The analysis removed the bias and concluded that that masks are not effective: “Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant.” https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567...
14) Even in May 2020 the CDC (yes, the CDC)published an analysis of several studies that notes the ineffectiveness of hand washing and mask wearing for prevention of influenza infection and transmission. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article...
15) From the CDC, again: “Available evidence shows that (cloth masks)… may even increase the risk of infection due to moisture, liquid diffusion and retention of the virus. Penetration of particles through cloth is reported to be high… Altogether, common fabric cloth masks are not considered protective against respiratory viruses and their use should not be encouraged.” https://www.cdc.gov/.../hcp/ppe-strategy/face-masks.html...
16) Four authors of this scientific analysis of numerous publications has stood since 2011:
“None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/...
17) Top EU health officials also agree that masks are pseudoscientific. https://fee.org/.../europes-top-health-officials-say.../...


Did you bother to check any of the links you just posted ?

Where did you get this list from, do share with us

Masks and social distancing folks !
 

GMT

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Old school, you've seriously misunderstood each one of those papers to draw that conclusion
Surgical face masks are your best chance to reduce or even avoid contamination when interacting with someone who is infected in an indoor situation.
 

Crooked8

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Here are 17 Medical Articles proving that masks are not only useless, but also dangerous. Should anyone like some data:
1) “There is little evidence to support the effectiveness of face masks to reduce the risk of infection.” https://www.cambridge.org/.../face_masks_to_prevent...
2) “...laboratory-confirmed viral infections were significantly higher in the cloth masks group. Virus particle penetration was almost 97%. ...the results caution against the use of cloth masks.. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks, and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435...
3) “...surgical and handmade masks, and face shields, generate significant leakage jets that have the potential to disperse virus-laden fluid particles by several meters. ....They all showed an intense backward jet for heavy breathing and coughing conditions. It is important to be aware of this jet, to avoid a false sense of security that may arise when standing to the side of, or behind, a person wearing a surgical, or handmade mask, or shield.” https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2005/2005.10720.pdf...
4) JAMA: “Face masks should not be worn by healthy individuals to protect themselves from acquiring respiratory infection because there is no evidence to suggest that face masks worn by healthy individuals are effective in preventing people from becoming ill.” https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762694...
5) “Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
6) From one meta analysis of masks to prevent infection, N95 masks and respirators no less: “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22188875/
7) “...both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS-CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.” https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342...&
8. NEJM: “We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. ....The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.” https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372...
9) Just a note, respiratory acidosis is bad and leads to also polyuria, urinary acidosis, kidney damage, and hypercapnia. The stress response from lowered oxygen causes cortisol to rise, potently so, which lowers immune vigilance increasing infection risk. “Respiratory acidosis develops when air into and exhaled from the lungs does not get adequately exchanged between the carbon dioxide from the body and oxygen from the air.” https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/313110...
10) Also note, deoxygenation is bad and not only leads to and/or exacerbates headaches disorders, a hypoxic state can create and/or activate malignant cells within 48 hours. Know what else leads to increased cancer risk? Acidosis. (note article above this one on respiratory acidosis) This is old work from Otto Warburg himself. “Most health care workers develop de novo PPE associated headaches or exacerbation of their pre-existing headache disorders.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32232837/
11) The meta analysis is the most reliable data set as the reproducibility of results is scientifically so powerful.
Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../10.1111/jebm.12381...
12) “A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Meta analysis of 17 studies. Key points: “There is little evidence to support the effectiveness of face masks to reduce the risk of infection.” and “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../j.1750-2659.2011...
13) A 2017 meta-analysis of 23 studies and six controlled trials found, as did the current 2020 analysis, that yet again there was bias in studies that claimed masks provide protective benefits. The analysis removed the bias and concluded that that masks are not effective: “Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant.” https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567...
14) Even in May 2020 the CDC (yes, the CDC)published an analysis of several studies that notes the ineffectiveness of hand washing and mask wearing for prevention of influenza infection and transmission. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article...
15) From the CDC, again: “Available evidence shows that (cloth masks)… may even increase the risk of infection due to moisture, liquid diffusion and retention of the virus. Penetration of particles through cloth is reported to be high… Altogether, common fabric cloth masks are not considered protective against respiratory viruses and their use should not be encouraged.” https://www.cdc.gov/.../hcp/ppe-strategy/face-masks.html...
16) Four authors of this scientific analysis of numerous publications has stood since 2011:
“None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/...
17) Top EU health officials also agree that masks are pseudoscientific. https://fee.org/.../europes-top-health-officials-say.../...

At every turn, many many people think you are off. I really think you add nothing but nonsense. I hope you understand you are consistently a punchline of a reminder that Trump lovers are still uneducated and forceful with their ignorance. He is a joke and your support for him includes you in the joke. #punchlinenitro
 
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