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Wearing Masks
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I agree calling people names because of disagreements on issues should be a none starter. I don't like it either. I prefer to take opinions from those that are educated enough to give it. Trump or any of his boot lickers are not someone I trust to give us the truth. I have to put my faith into Dr's for there best advice to stay safe. It makes it very difficult to follow that advice when people disregard what the experts are telling us. It makes it 2x harder to make sure my family doesn't get it.
Perhaps you'll take a different view when your friends, peers and family perish from COVID. Or you know of those with health altering conditions that do not need breath from someone NOT wearing a mask.
Fitness guru Jillian Michaels, she said, stupidly she went maskless for just over an hour at either friends or family visit....guess what....COVID positive.
I'm all for individual "rights", however we're deep into a GLOBAL pandemic and masks with other preventative measures are warranted.............SCIENCE BASED FACT.
All thriving civilization use experts. We cant start using uneducated people to tell anyone whats best.. We can disagree with them but we still need to follow there directions up until we get information stating mask are not needed. I thinks its all our responsibilities to keep others safe. The political climate has made it into a monster. All I see are people that don't care as long as they don't have to ware a mask.
As the spouse of a deceased public health dr, I subscribe to the concept fully.
Given what we have to work with some, an N95 mask with a built in sublingual
extract dosing might enhance compliance.
Thank you for your tireless efforts to reduce the effects of this on others.
What you do is an invaluable service for the good of all.
Just did hear that Toots, passed away as a result of the virus.
As this progresses, we will see more people that improved the
quality of our lives be claimed by it.
A face mask isn't a condom; it's not gonna keep you from getting covid if you are exposed. Sure, people wearing face masks will reduce the spread, but too many people seem to think that these face masks are some ultimate protection which makes them invincible from contracting covid. As far as "science based fact", the reality is that science is always evolving, nothing is set in stone when it comes to science. There are countless incidences when science has contradicted past conclusions. I'd be real careful about following "science" as if it were a religion.
EDIT: Here are some good examples of superseded theories in science.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_theories_in_science
A face mask filters LARGER particles. Yes, minuscule COVID nano particles can be passed through the mask, but not enough to have full blown COVID. It's not 100%, but far, far better than no mask at all.
Condoms aren't 100% either.
No, my science facts are NOT religion. Working with State Dept of Health with data analysis of Contact tracing, I can tell you Masks, Hand Washing, Avoiding crowds, Cleanliness are, indeed SCIENCE BASED, not religion.
And having worked in healthcare for 40 years before HA... another 20 years intertwined, then teaching healthcare for 14 years, SCIENCE was indeed part of training/teaching/didactics, et.al. <<<<<< I'd be real careful about following "science" as if it were a religion.
Yes, science evolves, slowly.
And what we thought in Feb has changed drastically now in September.
Science is the foundation of medicine.
I agree to a degree. We as lay persons do rely upon the guidance of those 'experts' in fields to which we do not have the knowledge.
That IMO goes w/ out stating.
This certainly was not what I was eluding to though, if you are speaking to me
The current situation however has me in conflict with the validity of a vast amount of the information we do have available.
Due to the politicization of this issue, I am of the opinion some of those so called 'experts' have been conveniently compromised by certain factions.
As a side; I care deeply about others. All too often, to a degree that I will go without. Be assured that if I saw you (Hammerhead), or any of the folks here that I don't agree with in need of assistance, I would not hesitate to do so.
I am a compassionate humanitarian.
I say it like I see it though and won't eat anyone's bs.
I don't like singling out someone when everyone is discussing. I haven't read any experts say masks don't work?. I guess Im a bit confused where these conflicts with the facts are coming from. There's only 1 or 2 people telling us whats best. The rest are just noise.
As you are well aware some arent capable of having adult discussions. Believe me it is appreciated. It doesn't happen very often. I too would do the same for any in need of help. Someone's political views shouldn't stop us from rendering aid. I have to believe most of us would ...
Start saving up to buy a small island. Good luck!
Condoms are around 98% effective, masks are said to be around 65% effective (maybe more, maybe less, depending on which scientific study you subscribe to).
I'm not debating that things like basic handwashing and masks aren't effective in reducing the risks of covid or transmitted viruses in general. I guess my point is that we really need to weigh the abundance of facts over time, and we really won't know the true answers until years in the future. As an example, we've been told at different times that the science says that covid is not transmissible from surfaces, and at other times that it could lie dormant on surfaces for up to two weeks. Which is is? We've been told that asymptomatic people can and also can not transmit covid to others. Again, which is it? Obviously because we don't know the true answers, it's wise to be prudent and practice an abundance of caution, but then at the same time excessive cautionary measures may be counter-productive.
Personally I think that we need more nuanced requirements for masks. As an example, my employer requires masks anytime you are on the property, unless you are in your own private office alone. This does make sense most of the time. However what if I'm working alone in a large warehouse space doing a bit of manual labor; dang it's getting hard to breath after a while.. Do I really need to keep wearing this mask because someone might come into the warehouse in 15 minutes? Wouldn't it be ok to just put the mask on then? These are the questions I wrestle with myself each day.
most places that i know of only require a mask if you are in close quarters with someone for ten to fifteen minutes. on an open factory floor (where i am) it is not required. but (where i work) they won't send someone to get tested without a fever, which is only present in a fraction of the cases. they do not WANT anyone tested for fear they will be positive & force the company to do follow up & send someone home. it might hurt their bottom line...
I think I would be inclined to view the warehouse as personal office space if I were alone.
Either that, or a lot more breaks than what one would normally have with out a mask.
Let's be honest here, if one is doing hard work, O2 requirement are going to be elevated,
attempting to meet that need while wearing a mask will be taxing for anyone.
Thus more time would need to be allocated for anything of that nature.
The thought of the plight of the forest firefighters comes to mind.
Dear lord have mercy, how the hell do those guys deal with massive
labor requirements and masks and heat etc.
No shortage of things to consider any more.
One of the things I like most about this thread is that it exposes me
to the perspective of others. We do live in "interesting times".
Masks and social distancing.
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