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mean mr.mustard

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I'm guessing that an education would have granted the knowledge of the Balfour Declaration, thusly inhibiting the definition of 1929 as "year zero"... not to mention that the 1880's are the earliest records of conflict.

I'm going to predict that there's a specific reason for this "oversight".

Yeah.

Propaganda.
 

Cannavore

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Hundreds of terrorists storming into homes killing civilians and taking hostages is not "just trying to live".
sure that was a terrorist act like ive said many times but also like i've said, what level of hubris do israelis operate under to not see that the people they are holding against their will, will eventually lash out and do some shit like that. since i've seen finkelstein mention the nat turner comparison i can't unsee it.
 

JKD

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I'm guessing that an education would have granted the knowledge of the Balfour Declaration, thusly inhibiting the definition of 1929 as "year zero"... not to mention that the 1880's are the earliest records of conflict.

I'm going to predict that there's a specific reason for this oversight.

Yeah.

Propaganda.
Probably you would read the book to understand why he posits 1929 as year 0.

Well some of us would.
 

mean mr.mustard

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sure that was a terrorist act like ive said many times but also like i've said, what level of hubris do israelis operate under to not see that the people they are holding against their will, will eventually lash out and do some shit like that. since i've seen finkelstein mention the nat turner comparison i can't unsee it.

I didn't say it didn't make sense.

I can't see either side actually care enough to stop the violence is all.

I see people half a world away with no skin in the game getting fired up enough to call for more murder.
 

mean mr.mustard

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Probably you would read the book to understand why he posits 1929 as year 0.

Well some of us would.

I wouldn't bother listening to any of his words, simply on account of his obvious bullshit title.

I don't think that either side is in the right, I think both sides are willfully hateful and violent, and I know that goes back before 1929.

Anybody who is trying to suggest 1929 as "year zero" of the Palestinian conflict is obviously trying to sell something, or is so misinformed that it would be a waste of life I have granted to dawdle through the BS.
 

Cannavore

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I didn't say it didn't make sense.

I can't see either side actually care enough to stop the violence is all.

I see people half a world away with no skin in the game getting fired up enough to call for more murder.
multiple hamas negotiators have been assassinated over the years including ismail haniyeh back in july when they droned him when he was in iran (which was why iran struck back at irael's military base). as it's been said before, if the west including the US is behind israel's decision to keep doing what they're doing even though hamas wants to come to the table and they're being killed for doing so, what do you expect lol. resistance is the only option that i can see and by international law resistance against occupation is justified.
 

JKD

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I wouldn't bother listening to any of his words, simply on account of his obvious bullshit title.

I don't think that either side is in the right, I think both sides are willfully hateful and violent, and I know that goes back before 1929.

Anybody who is trying to suggest 1929 as "year zero" of the Palestinian conflict is obviously trying to sell something, or is so misinformed that it would be a waste of life I have granted to dawdle through the BS.
 

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moose eater

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Apparently some intellectually dishonest people fail to acknowledge the law that's pretty clear in noting that killing an armed invader/intruder/rapist or those complicit with the intrusion is... shock and awe... not typically considered 'murder' under the law... Unless one is simply bias in favor of the armed invader... in which case they MIGHT stretch definitions to claim that it is.

Karma sucks sometimes for armed assholes who steal others' land, raze homes, rape the victims and murder with impunity, and, as has already been pointed out, the occupier has zero right to claim self-defense, but the occupied, raped and abused DO.

Unpleasant flavor in the mouth? Don't support such assholes.

Just thought that tidbit was missing sorely from the intellectually dishonest arguments to the contrary utilizing buzz words in obviously inappropriate applications.
 

mean mr.mustard

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multiple hamas negotiators have been assassinated over the years including ismail haniyeh back in july when they droned him when he was in iran (which was why iran struck back at irael's military base). as it's been said before, if the west including the US is behind israel's decision to keep doing what they're doing even though hamas wants to come to the table and they're being killed for doing so, what do you expect lol. resistance is the only option that i can see and by international law resistance against occupation is justified.

Hamas killing civilians isn't asking for a sit down.

Resistance is all that either side has for options that they can see.
 

Cannavore

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Hamas killing civilians isn't asking for a sit down.
they assassinated at least one peace negotiator that i know of before Oct 7

in 2018 i think it was the gazans had what they called the 'great march of return' which was a peaceful protest and israel responded by sniping the kneecaps of children.
Resistance is all that either side has for options that they can see.
legally you can't "resist" against the people you're violently occupying lol
 

mean mr.mustard

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Apparently some intellectually dishonest people fail to acknowledge the law that's pretty clear in noting that killing an armed invader/intruder/rapist or those complicit with the intrusion is... shock and awe... not typically considered 'murder' under the law... Unless one is simply bias in favor of the armed invader... in which case they MIGHT stretch definitions to claim that it is.

Karma sucks sometimes for armed assholes who steal others' land, raze homes, rape the victims and murder with impunity, and, as has already been pointed out, the occupier has zero right to claim self-defense, but the occupied, raped and abused DO.

Unpleasant flavor in the mouth? Don't support such assholes.

Just thought that tidbit was missing sorely from the intellectually dishonest arguments to the contrary utilizing buzz words in obviously inappropriate applications.

I'll listen to your delusion of intellectual dishonesty as soon as you acknowledge that I don't support Israel.
 

JKD

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