Wanna Ask The Old Farts A Question?

[hoosierdaddy]

lol...Ever been to a friend or a relative's house for dinner, and you just don't like what is being served? It is a chore to choke it down, but you feel you don't want to offend the host by shoving it away and saying "yuch".
A bud growing connoisseur finds that what their friends may consider to be the fire, is often nothing but harsh schwag. But, we need to suck it up when invited to partake in the schwag, and burn one for the gipper. Otherwise we risk our security. Friends aint dumb...and who turns down a doob these days?

Anywho...
I want to touch on hash for a sec...
I don't use bags or fancy gadgets. All I do is use a cake mixer and some coffee strainers. But...I have learned to produce some near incredible hash using this method.
I have also found that if I freeze my trim (or buds) that I plan to use for hash, right off the cut green, that I get the very best results. It seems to me the reason is that the leaves never do get dried out at all, and when they hit the water in the frozen state, they rehydrate intact. The green trim leaves don't break up as the dried stuff would when it hits the blades, and allows the frozen trics to be knocked off easily with the ice.
Near clean palm is the result...

My method gets all the tric sizes, as opposed to bubble bags which separates the trics by size.

 

[Gold123]

I hear what you're saying but it's amazing how fast it can go. When we get our first crop we tend to look at it thru the perspective of what we could afford on the street and in that light it seems like so much. Then we get to enjoying it and without having to conserve it so much so we don't have to buy more, that it just starts going faster and faster. Attitudes start to change. Like before, when we bought off the streets, maybe we were careful about every flake because it was so expensive and we didn't want to waste money. Now we got this big stash that seems like so much, we find ourselves brushing away those flakes of weed to the floor as if they were some bread crumbs to be casuall brushed out of the way.

Before when we rolled a joint maybe we rolled a skinny "pinner", again trying to conserve the weed because it cost so much. Now you might find yourself rolling joints as fat as a cigarette or even fatter.

I second that, my kid rolls cigars, pops a gram ia a bowl, there is more shake on his desk that what he used to buy. It all becomes relative.

 

[Gold123]

lol...Ever been to a friend or a relative's house for dinner, and you just don't like what is being served? It is a chore to choke it down, but you feel you don't want to offend the host by shoving it away and saying "yuch".
A bud growing connoisseur finds that what their friends may consider to be the fire, is often nothing but harsh schwag. But, we need to suck it up when invited to partake in the schwag, and burn one for the gipper. Otherwise we risk our security. Friends aint dumb...and who turns down a doob these days?

Anywho...
I want to touch on hash for a sec...
I don't use bags or fancy gadgets. All I do is use a cake mixer and some coffee strainers. But...I have learned to produce some near incredible hash using this method.
I have also found that if I freeze my trim (or buds) that I plan to use for hash, right off the cut green, that I get the very best results. It seems to me the reason is that the leaves never do get dried out at all, and when they hit the water in the frozen state, they rehydrate intact. The green trim leaves don't break up as the dried stuff would when it hits the blades, and allows the frozen trics to be knocked off easily with the ice.
Near clean palm is the result...

My method gets all the tric sizes, as opposed to bubble bags which separates the trics by size.

Please elaborate on your coffee filter method, that is perfect when you have a smaller amount to work with, sometimes bags are a hassel and I just skip it so I have quite a few ziplocks in the freezer.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=105393

 

[Gold123]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=105393

Thanks, I can't believe I missed that thread

 

[gabjaz]

Hi Hoosier,

Your hash technique looks pretty simple, I think even I can do it and well I have some trim I was wondering what to do with...So tomorrow I'm going to give it a shot... Is there a simple easy way to press that you know of with things I can but at a local store? I read somewhere on this site about using a clay extruder, I even looked for one but couldn't find one at local hobby stores...or I probably could just make it without pressing it and mix in in with a little bud?

Peace, Gabs

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Sure you can just smoke it as is or sprinkle on your favorite. Adds kindness.
I have never used a press..but you could always use a short piece of pipe threaded on both ends, a couple of caps, and a staub of some sort. Do a search I think there are some examples of clever devices.

If you can just roll it in your fingers until it warms up and lets you keep it together, then just add a little more polm to the ball as you go. The warmer you get it the better it will work. If it doesn't want to ball up for you, don't sweat it just press or smoke as is.
I find the planks are great actually, as you can keep one in your pocket if you chose.

 

[gabjaz]

I think I waited a little too long to put my buds in jars. They feel pretty dry (I think), so I added a little fresh bud to each jar to try to freshen them up. That brought up the RH from like 45% to 55% (at least in the one jar with the calibrer III. I'll leave the fresh bud in for 24 hrs and then pull it out...

Or should I not worry about how they feel, not check the RH and just cure them?

Just to give you an idea, I have only owned one bud in my whole life! That little bud was sooo good, but what I have now is way better.. I have smoked before in my younger years, but never much, cuz it was harsh, burned my throat and made me nervous, but what is around today is not the same (stems, seeds and twigs). Anyway, I'm a really new newbie and I so appreciate you guys.

Hope I'm not being too much of a pest...

Peace, Gabs

BTW: I found 1/2 gallon jars at ACE Hardware

 

[gabjaz]

So when you say heated a bit and pressed, you just do that in the palm of your hand? I know I can do that!

 

[Gold123]

I think I waited a little too long to put my buds in jars. They feel pretty dry (I think), so I added a little fresh bud to each jar to try to freshen them up. That brought up the RH from like 45% to 55% (at least in the one jar with the calibrer III. I'll leave the fresh bud in for 24 hrs and then pull it out...

Or should I not worry about how they feel, not check the RH and just cure them?

Just to give you an idea, I have only owned one bud in my whole life! That little bud was sooo good, but what I have now is way better.. I have smoked before in my younger years, but never much, cuz it was harsh, burned my throat and made me nervous, but what is around today is not the same (stems, seeds and twigs). Anyway, I'm a really new newbie and I so appreciate you guys.

Hope I'm not being too much of a pest...

Peace, Gabs

BTW: I found 1/2 gallon jars at ACE Hardware

I use 5 gal jars but needed more. Before I put the dry buds into cure masons I added another step.
1st I hang the whole trimmed plant to dry
2nd I take whole branches off and put them in 5 gal jars burping and such as needed for the 1st week
3rd take off buds and put in pint, quart, 1/2 gal or gal mason jars as the quantity demands for finish cure.
(Here's my reason for the 5 Gallon jars, if the bud is too moist I can hang it back up to dry a little longer, if it's too dry the excess moisture in the stems brings up the humidity a little)

 

[ericcalif]

BTW: I found 1/2 gallon jars at ACE Hardware

I never thought of looking there !

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

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[aim-9sidewinder]

houston we got a problem!

my sativa phenotype is way too tall and lanky, and lots of stems are not strong at all and only at day 7 flowering.

I do remember stems getting stronger while flowering after done the stretch, I have a fan blowing on them since ever, still some of them are so weak I am thinking she might not be worth it lol?

I have used a too big pot aswell. She is now around 1 metre (4 foot) .. Height is OK, I still have lots, but I thought of cutting the branches that look too weak?

This will stress her a lot but I think there is no other way?
Or maybe scrap her. Then I get just 1 female that is not so big , the best healthiest short indica type is a hermie (argh!)

There are around 4 strong branches, the others are weaky

this 2 are one of the stronger ones and I think they'd be ok

as you can see here, these are so weak.. ridiculous

Putting support on stems doesn't sound good to me, I think i'd rather cut the super weak ones? the stronger ones would get more energy and get stronger..


the super lanky tall one.
The lights were not so far, around a foot to a foot and a half at times max, and 400w hps..
I don't like her, she was sick but now she is healthy but too tall and lanky and the stems are soo weak

 

[HempKat]

Hi Hoosier,

Your hash technique looks pretty simple, I think even I can do it and well I have some trim I was wondering what to do with...So tomorrow I'm going to give it a shot... Is there a simple easy way to press that you know of with things I can but at a local store? I read somewhere on this site about using a clay extruder, I even looked for one but couldn't find one at local hobby stores...or I probably could just make it without pressing it and mix in in with a little bud?

Peace, Gabs

Here's a link to the clay extruder they talk about here on this site. It's an online store so you can purchase it there if you like.

http://www.dickblick.com/products/makins-professional-ultimate-clay-extruder/

 

[HempKat]

I think I waited a little too long to put my buds in jars. They feel pretty dry (I think), so I added a little fresh bud to each jar to try to freshen them up. That brought up the RH from like 45% to 55% (at least in the one jar with the calibrer III. I'll leave the fresh bud in for 24 hrs and then pull it out...

Or should I not worry about how they feel, not check the RH and just cure them?

Just to give you an idea, I have only owned one bud in my whole life! That little bud was sooo good, but what I have now is way better.. I have smoked before in my younger years, but never much, cuz it was harsh, burned my throat and made me nervous, but what is around today is not the same (stems, seeds and twigs). Anyway, I'm a really new newbie and I so appreciate you guys.

Hope I'm not being too much of a pest...

Peace, Gabs

BTW: I found 1/2 gallon jars at ACE Hardware

There's one question I would ask, did you put it in the jar, wait until the next day and then decide it was too dry? If so then you probably did the right thing. If on the other hand you just decided it was too dry before you put it in the jars, you might have made a mistake. Probably not a serious one though, as long as you keep airing the buds daily for the firsts couple of weeks.

In Hoosierdaddy's description of the curing process he did mention that when you first put them in the jars they might feel dry to the touch but there is likely still internal moisture which will spread throughout the bud during the first day or two in the jar. If everything is going as it should, the buds that felt dry the day before, will now be softer and more pliable. They won't be totally rehydrate but they'll definately seem less dry.

Now if it didn't really need it, one small bud in each jar isn't going to rehydrate things so much that it will cause problems, unless you don't air it out regularly at first like you're supposed to. If you don't and there is enough moisture in the jar, bud rot could set in. Then again that could happen even if you didn't add a fresh bud but also didn't air the buds daily for the first 2 weeks. You don't want bud rot because smoking bud with bud rot can cause serious respritory problems.

By the way, when I say air the buds, I just mean to remove the lid from the jars and leave the jar open for 5-15 minutes. The only time you need to do more then that is if you notice condensation on the inside of the jars. This should only happen early on and only if the buds weren't dry enough before you jarred them. In that situation you would remove the buds from the jar and spread them out on some paper and when they feel dry to the touch put them back in the jar and repeat the next day if necessary.

 

[HempKat]

houston we got a problem!

my sativa phenotype is way too tall and lanky, and lots of stems are not strong at all and only at day 7 flowering.

I do remember stems getting stronger while flowering after done the stretch, I have a fan blowing on them since ever, still some of them are so weak I am thinking she might not be worth it lol?

I have used a too big pot aswell. She is now around 1 metre (4 foot) .. Height is OK, I still have lots, but I thought of cutting the branches that look too weak?

This will stress her a lot but I think there is no other way?
Or maybe scrap her. Then I get just 1 female that is not so big , the best healthiest short indica type is a hermie (argh!)

There are around 4 strong branches, the others are weaky

this 2 are one of the stronger ones and I think they'd be ok

as you can see here, these are so weak.. ridiculous

Putting support on stems doesn't sound good to me, I think i'd rather cut the super weak ones? the stronger ones would get more energy and get stronger..


the super lanky tall one.
The lights were not so far, around a foot to a foot and a half at times max, and 400w hps..
I don't like her, she was sick but now she is healthy but too tall and lanky and the stems are soo weak

Actually at 1 and 1/2 feet with a 400W is too far. The furthest you should have your 400W above the canopy is 1 foot. If that gets too hot then your ventilation/cooling is insufficient.

It's your grow and you have to deal with it so if you really don't want the sativa in there then get rid of it. However, I wouldn't get rid of it just because the stems seem weak. Who knows, it might turn out to be the best smoke you ever had?

I thought you said you had a ScrOG? If so the screen should help provide support and you could train anything getting too tall back into the screen rather then cut it. IF it is a ScrOG though, or any kind of grow really, mixing a tall sativa and a short indica in the same grow is a bad idea, unless you can either keep the sativa trained to the height of the indica or raise the indica by putting something underneath it, so it's even with the Sativa. Otherwise either the tall plant will get burnt but the short plant will have good buds or the tall plant will be fine but the short plant will have small if any decent bud, depending on how much height difference there is.

Now in the case of a ScrOG mixing strains like that is even worse because sativas tend to go several weeks longer in flower then indicas and they tend to have a longer stretch phase. The problem this presents is after it's woven into a screen it really messes the ScrOG up if you have to remove one or more plants without removing all. Not that it can't be done but when things are flowering it's best to disturb the plant as little as possible.

 

[Gold123]

houston we got a problem!

my sativa phenotype is way too tall and lanky, and lots of stems are not strong at all and only at day 7 flowering.

I do remember stems getting stronger while flowering after done the stretch, I have a fan blowing on them since ever, still some of them are so weak I am thinking she might not be worth it lol?

I have used a too big pot aswell. She is now around 1 metre (4 foot) .. Height is OK, I still have lots, but I thought of cutting the branches that look too weak?

This will stress her a lot but I think there is no other way?
Or maybe scrap her. Then I get just 1 female that is not so big , the best healthiest short indica type is a hermie (argh!)

There are around 4 strong branches, the others are weaky

this 2 are one of the stronger ones and I think they'd be ok

as you can see here, these are so weak.. ridiculous

Putting support on stems doesn't sound good to me, I think i'd rather cut the super weak ones? the stronger ones would get more energy and get stronger..


the super lanky tall one.
The lights were not so far, around a foot to a foot and a half at times max, and 400w hps..
I don't like her, she was sick but now she is healthy but too tall and lanky and the stems are soo weak

I've had some success with silica supplements for weak stems

 

[bud lover]

hi all ive posted this on the new growers forum but havent had any replys so i thought id try here and pick the heads of the best IC has to offer...

this is my first grow im growing in canna coco using canna nutes im 4 1/2 weeks into 12-12 according to the canna nute chart it says in the final week or two to stop all nutes appart from boost.

so my question is this do i stick to the caana chart and feed boost upto harvest or do i have to take into account for a week or so of water flush.

the reason i ask is because i was reading another members grow journal and he said "whats the point of giving your ladies a habit only to make them go cold turkey" and before i could ask him about it i lost internet connection and couldnt remember his name so now im throwing it open to anyone with any advice

thanks for your input in advance..bud.

 

[HempKat]

hi all ive posted this on the new growers forum but havent had any replys so i thought id try here and pick the heads of the best IC has to offer...

this is my first grow im growing in canna coco using canna nutes im 4 1/2 weeks into 12-12 according to the canna nute chart it says in the final week or two to stop all nutes appart from boost.

so my question is this do i stick to the caana chart and feed boost upto harvest or do i have to take into account for a week or so of water flush.

the reason i ask is because i was reading another members grow journal and he said "whats the point of giving your ladies a habit only to make them go cold turkey" and before i could ask him about it i lost internet connection and couldnt remember his name so now im throwing it open to anyone with any advice

thanks for your input in advance..bud.

Well I've never used canna products so I can't say for sure but one might reason that it's best to follow the reccomendation of the people who make the product. We tend to be skeptical of manufacturers thinking they just want us to use more product so that we will buy more. That may apply to things like shampoo and the manufactuerers suggestion to "wash, rinse and repeat" because there is no obvious harm that comes from that. With plant food though it would hurt business if they encouraged people to use more then they need. Too much in plant food generally results in plants having problems and perhaps dying off. Which would not encourage the consumer to buy more of that plant food.

Canna in particular I would think you could trust because thier product line is supposedly formulated specifically for Cannabis. Some other brands might be more of a general plant food and therefore might lack something or have too much of something and maybe that means you have to alter the directions.

Now as for the flushing, you're saying that they tell you to stop using everything but the boost 1-2 weeks before harvest. So in a sense you'll be flushing somewhat anyway. The flushing they talk about at harvest isn't the same as flushing for a ph imbalance. Flushing for a ph imbalance you run a large amount of water through the pot to literally flush out the elements causing the ph imbalance. Flushing before harvest means just cutting food out of the watering routine to force the plant to use up nutrients already in the soil and also what the plant has stored in it's leaves.

The whole issue of should you flush before harvest or not really boils down to a matter of personal preference and taste. Some people feel that the nutrients can give the plant a bad taste, especially if the plant was fed with chemical based nutrients. Others say that's nonsense and there is only a problem if the plant is being given too much nutrients but otherwise it can be fed right up to harvest. It sounds like the person who was talking about giving the plant's a habit and then cutting them off is more in tune with the no flush line of thinking. Which there is some logic to that but not quite the way he's looking at it. Food is a necessity not a habit, you can't choose to not feed or else the plants will die. The best you can do is be like nature and incorprate the food in soil with things like bone meal, blood meal, worm castings, bat guano, kelp, dolomite lime, etc. The plant is still getting food, just not mixed in with the water. To me that's where the real debate starts, why does a plant need to be cut off of food before harvest? There's a period of increased activity in buds during the last couple of weeks where the buds swell and put on alot of weight. Does it make sense to cut off food when there is an increased demand? Also why should food be cut off at all? It's never cut off in nature because the food is in the soil, so the plant didn't evolve to need a flush, that was decided at some point by a human who didn't like how his/her weed tasted and smoked.

To answer your question I would say follow Canna's directions. I think if they meant for you to stop nutes for the final week or 2 and then flush for a week or two, they would have worded it that way. Anyway by cutting all but boost you'll be cutting off most of the nutrients. The one most agree causes problems with taste and how it smokes is nitrogen. Most "Boost" products (many fertalizer brands have a "boost" product) have very little or no nitrogen. Usually they're mostly phospherous as that is the main element used in bud developement. So I think if you follow canna's directions and cut everything but the boost the last week or two before harvest you'll be fine. Keep in mind too that Canna is relatively new on the scene, the advise to flush before harvest goes way back when there were less options available and none of them were specific to Cannabis.

 

[ericcalif]

Hey Hemp and all.. . back with a question about cloning. I've had relatively good success so far. This is my 3rd time around and out of 12 or 14 i've only lost maybe 2, (except for the couple that I pulled due to their moms turned out to be dads) The first round I used the water only method, the second I let them sit in water a few days, dipped in rooting powder and put them in soil, this time I dipped them in rooting powder and then straight to soil. This last time seemed like the least stressful, just from watching them.
What I'm wondering is, if anyone feels they have a good system that gets them going fast, (besides buying a bunch of stuff like clone machines or contraptions) how fast do you usually see them take hold and start growing? It seems like for me they take a month or so. When I had rooted in water I could see when they sprouted roots but even after that point and putting them in soil, they seem like they struggle to get going. Now that i've put them straight into soil I don't know at what point they start to root, but as of today they are just hanging, no new growth yet. I think about 4 weeks in. Normal for you experienced guys? Any suggestions for helping them along?
Oh, I try to keep the light (CFL) on them subdued, and not let them get too cold.