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Vote YES or NO on Prop 19
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I wasn't aware that there was industrial hemp alotted on Prop. 19.
I'm going to go look, but I assure you I don't like looking for an eyelash in afterbirth... especially if I don't find it.
Since a 5x5 isn't going to make a pair of pants, I suppose that a commercial license is necessary. I'm curious if taxes are the same as drug cannabis.
I'm going to go look, but I assure you I don't like looking for an eyelash in afterbirth... especially if I don't find it.
Since a 5x5 isn't going to make a pair of pants, I suppose that a commercial license is necessary. I'm curious if taxes are the same as drug cannabis.
5x5 is intended for personal growing....not to make money off of. If you want to make money...then that is commercial AND you need a license. There is no more gray area. In a regulated world...5x5 will and only could be enough for personal use.
Hemp is in there...and it's in ABX6 9 as well.
Check this out.........
Why We Donated $100,000 to Prop 19
President, Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps
Posted: October 7, 2010 05:04 PM
I am President and co-owner of Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps, a 60-year-old company founded by my German-Jewish grandfather, Emanuel Bronner in 1948. Our family and over 60 employees in California produce the best-selling natural brand of soap in the United States. We use certified organic and fair trade vegetable oils, including non-drug hemp seed oil to super-fat the soaps for smoother lather and moisturizing after-feel.
Dr. Bronner's caps executive compensation at 5 to 1 of the lowest paid position. Our commitment to fairness takes profits not needed for business development and debt payment and devotes them to various causes, including the Boys & Girls Club, Organic Consumers Association, Vote Hemp and the Fair World Project.
Dr. Bronner's buys 20 tons of hemp oil for our soaps from Canada annually. For nearly ten years the Bronner family has financially supported bringing back non-drug industrial hemp farming in the US as an environmentally sustainable crop that can be made into a wide variety of products including food, cosmetics, clothing, building materials and more.
I have decided to personally give a $75,000 donation to Students for Sensible Drug Policy (SSDP) for "Get Out the Vote" efforts to pass Prop 19 in California, the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010. Adam Eidinger and Alan Amsterdam, co-founders of Capitol Hemp Clothing and Accessories, have donated an additional $25,000 as well. Dr. Bronner's will also provide the company's promotional fire truck to "sound the alarm" on college campuses across California. We hope to mobilize younger voters who are the primary victims of the war on cannabis who know first-hand the lies of cannabis prohibition.
My decision to support Prop 19 also stems from experience with medical cannabis in the case of a close friend who used cannabis to get through chemotherapy and survive stage-IV Hepatitis C. Her local dispensary was raided and shut down by drug war zealots from the local DA's office. Since the proposition will make it easier for adults to have access to cannabis, citizens will enjoy improved access to a safe and effective medicine useful in treating a number of illnesses. As long ago as 1988, DEA's own Administrative Law Judge Francis Young concluded:
"In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care."
As usual in the long sordid history of cannabis prohibition, drug war hysteria trumped science and reason.
Business leaders should stand up and do the right thing, unlike hypocritical politicians who oppose Prop 19, yet admit they used marijuana but continue to support laws that they themselves broke. I want this donation to be a challenge to people who know that cannabis prohibition is a disfigurement of our democracy but have not contributed to Prop 19.
Business people know legalizing cannabis will decrease the massive waste of taxpayer money and the bloody violence across the border that threatens to spill into our streets, but they need to support Proposition 19 before it is too late. I'm calling up businesses like ours that I know are socially and environmentally conscious with a simple message, "Just Say Now, now is the time to step up support." Prop 19 will free up police for fighting real crimes and stop renegade cannabis cultivation by gangs that are destroying our national parks. Cannabis prohibition, not the herb itself, has been ruining productive and upstanding citizens' lives with courts and jails for decades.
As a successful business owner, father and soccer coach, I thank God for the gift of cannabis. Cannabis for me is a daily sacrament and communion that at the end of each day helps me get past my small petty self and find my moral center. At the next corporate picnic, listen to what Bob Marley is singing. Why should anyone so righteous be thrown in jail?
We are grateful that Richard Lee had the faith to put Prop 19 on the ballot with $1.5 million of his own money. He has given us all an unprecedented opportunity to make a difference this November - Yes we Cannabis!
For more information and to make a donation, go to yeson19.com
its 24 sq feet. So a 1 x 24, or a 2x12. or a 3x8 or a 4x6 and so on...
1 x 24 i could harvest 24 ounces every 3 months. thats one ounce per plant, one month veg time, assuming i bought rooted clones, and 2 months flowering time. 76 ounces per year. which is a little over 4 pounds. If you smoke more than 4 pounds to your head a year.. which i dont do medically. I smoke a ounce a month on a budget... 12 ounces a year. and i have a HUGE TOLERANCE. And i like only GRADE AAA
Also if you need more than that to grow. YOU MOST LIKELY NEED IT FOR MEDICAL USE! So talk to your doctor!!!!!!!
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Keep That Money Coming!
Napster's Sean Parker Showers $100K on Marijuana Measure
- San Francisco News - The Snitch
By Chris Roberts, Wed., Oct. 6 2010 @ 2:15PM
The e-mail came Monday from Oaksterdam University's Richard Lee, the main driving force (at least publicly) behind cannabis semi-legalization measure Proposition 19.
Just like other e-mails he'd sent out in the previous month, the message was a fund-raising pitch for a $75,000 "money bomb," asking Tax Cannabis 2010 supporters to chip in small amounts online to hit that fundraising goal in less than 24 hours.
The plea worked: Tax Cannabis raised $75,000 in a day, the campaign reported Tuesday.
But that generosity paled in comparison to Sean Parker's.
The 33-year old Napster co-founder and current venture capitalist donated $100,000 to the marijuana taxation cause on Monday, according to campaign finance records.
That's on top of $100,000 gifted in June by Philip D. Harvey, the owner of adult products mail-order service Adam & Eve, and head of international philanthropy outfit DKT International.
With $200,000 in the bank -- and hardly any of it spent, according to records available Wednesday -- one would think that Lee wouldn't need to beg for bucks.
But that money isn't his.
Parker and Harvey donated to something called the Drug Policy Action Committee, which is separate from Lee's Oakland-based Yes On 19 committee (to which donations in Monday's money bomb went).
The committee's Sacramento-based accountant, Shawnda Deane of Deane & Company, said that the Drug Policy Action Committee is the fund-raising arm of the Drug Policy Alliance. Calls to Stephen Gutwillig, the Drug Policy Alliance's California state director, were not immediately returned.
The $200,000 in the Drug Policy Action Committee's war chest is a substantial sum -- that's nearly quadruple what the No on 19 committee had on hand as of Monday, according to records. And it dwarfs the $67,000 Yes on 19 currently flaunts (though Yes on 19 has spent $842,000 in 2010 alone, on top of the $900,000 invested in 2009).
So what are they going to spend it on? Why give so generously to The Drug Policy Alliance when Prop 19 is also in need, according to Lee's pleas? What could possibly be up Prop 19 supporters' sleeves?
Multiple calls to Lee's cell phone went unreturned. E-mails to Dan Newman, a political consultant with Ace Smith's firm SCN Strategies, which has acted as Prop 19's spokesman up to this point, were not answered.
So, here's the score: It remains unclear why out-of-state donors Parker and Harvey dropped such serious money into this contest. It's also unclear when and how the money will be spent -- and if it will be spent in a manner Lee considers beneficial. When it comes to interpreting the larger ramifications of these marijuana moves -- well, we're a bit smoked.
Update, 3:45 p.m.: The Drug Policy Alliance's Gutwillig returned our messages
It may sound like a lot of money but it won't go far in statewide politics, the Drug Policy Alliance's Stephen Gutwillig said.
"It [the Napster donation] is likely to be the high-water mark of our fund-raising from major donors," he said. "And this is not that much money. This is not enough money for any kind of statewide television ad buy. This is enough money to do some targeted messaging in impact communities and to support the official Prop. 19 campaign's efforts to boost turnout."
This means targeting black and Latino voters via print ad buys in markets likely to cater to those voters, Gutwilling said. Exactly how the Drug Policy Alliance spends its money is all its business and not Richard Lee's, Gutwillig said, but they are taking efforts to make sure that they work in concert.
"We're independent but we're in communication with one another," he said. "We're looking to make sure that we're not being redundant."
Napster's Sean Parker Showers $100K on Marijuana Measure
- San Francisco News - The Snitch
By Chris Roberts, Wed., Oct. 6 2010 @ 2:15PM
The e-mail came Monday from Oaksterdam University's Richard Lee, the main driving force (at least publicly) behind cannabis semi-legalization measure Proposition 19.
Just like other e-mails he'd sent out in the previous month, the message was a fund-raising pitch for a $75,000 "money bomb," asking Tax Cannabis 2010 supporters to chip in small amounts online to hit that fundraising goal in less than 24 hours.
The plea worked: Tax Cannabis raised $75,000 in a day, the campaign reported Tuesday.
But that generosity paled in comparison to Sean Parker's.
The 33-year old Napster co-founder and current venture capitalist donated $100,000 to the marijuana taxation cause on Monday, according to campaign finance records.
That's on top of $100,000 gifted in June by Philip D. Harvey, the owner of adult products mail-order service Adam & Eve, and head of international philanthropy outfit DKT International.
With $200,000 in the bank -- and hardly any of it spent, according to records available Wednesday -- one would think that Lee wouldn't need to beg for bucks.
But that money isn't his.
Parker and Harvey donated to something called the Drug Policy Action Committee, which is separate from Lee's Oakland-based Yes On 19 committee (to which donations in Monday's money bomb went).
The committee's Sacramento-based accountant, Shawnda Deane of Deane & Company, said that the Drug Policy Action Committee is the fund-raising arm of the Drug Policy Alliance. Calls to Stephen Gutwillig, the Drug Policy Alliance's California state director, were not immediately returned.
The $200,000 in the Drug Policy Action Committee's war chest is a substantial sum -- that's nearly quadruple what the No on 19 committee had on hand as of Monday, according to records. And it dwarfs the $67,000 Yes on 19 currently flaunts (though Yes on 19 has spent $842,000 in 2010 alone, on top of the $900,000 invested in 2009).
So what are they going to spend it on? Why give so generously to The Drug Policy Alliance when Prop 19 is also in need, according to Lee's pleas? What could possibly be up Prop 19 supporters' sleeves?
Multiple calls to Lee's cell phone went unreturned. E-mails to Dan Newman, a political consultant with Ace Smith's firm SCN Strategies, which has acted as Prop 19's spokesman up to this point, were not answered.
So, here's the score: It remains unclear why out-of-state donors Parker and Harvey dropped such serious money into this contest. It's also unclear when and how the money will be spent -- and if it will be spent in a manner Lee considers beneficial. When it comes to interpreting the larger ramifications of these marijuana moves -- well, we're a bit smoked.
Update, 3:45 p.m.: The Drug Policy Alliance's Gutwillig returned our messages
It may sound like a lot of money but it won't go far in statewide politics, the Drug Policy Alliance's Stephen Gutwillig said.
"It [the Napster donation] is likely to be the high-water mark of our fund-raising from major donors," he said. "And this is not that much money. This is not enough money for any kind of statewide television ad buy. This is enough money to do some targeted messaging in impact communities and to support the official Prop. 19 campaign's efforts to boost turnout."
This means targeting black and Latino voters via print ad buys in markets likely to cater to those voters, Gutwilling said. Exactly how the Drug Policy Alliance spends its money is all its business and not Richard Lee's, Gutwillig said, but they are taking efforts to make sure that they work in concert.
"We're independent but we're in communication with one another," he said. "We're looking to make sure that we're not being redundant."
Hemp doesn't have to be sold.
There are those of us that like to make our own things.
When did we lose a square foot?
There are those of us that like to make our own things.
When did we lose a square foot?
Okay.
I found it.
Down at the bottom... under ammendments...
It is listed as a "permitted ammendment".
That leads me to believe that although the word is in the text of the bill, it is left out purposefully.
I'm suprised that hemp wasn't adopted into legislation before medical.
It would seem that most nonusers would allow hemp before anybody smokes anything.
I found it.
Down at the bottom... under ammendments...
It is listed as a "permitted ammendment".
That leads me to believe that although the word is in the text of the bill, it is left out purposefully.
I'm suprised that hemp wasn't adopted into legislation before medical.
It would seem that most nonusers would allow hemp before anybody smokes anything.
They most likly IMHO probably left hemp out of the picture for two reasons. One, after marijuana becomes legal, there is no reason why not to farm hemp. two, to make a point Hemp, and marijuana are two seperate things.
i marked my votes today and off in the mail
. of course i voted yes. But boy there is a lot to vote on this year. I suggest everyone do there research. call the offices of people you may vote for to see how they would protect the average medical marijuana patient not only from prosocution, but from criminal intent on your garden. If everyone contended these people running, they would understand that we the pot smokers. Are no joke. And we are smart. wow....so yeah I voted, and feel freaking great about my YES vote on prop 19. Even took a picture
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Or half of one of these
Fail 72" diameter is 3' radius or 9'xPi or 9x3.14 or 28+sq'
Again that one is asking for the greater than 99 federal pounding. If you are going to go over 99 plants you really have no need to worry about 25sq'
So growing is legal under 19, but if your garden is too big then NO CHANGE from current law. That is why many of this community see no benefit from 19 for the CA grower. 100% of the benefit is for the Lucky Few, smokers, and the rest of the world.
25 days until it passes!
Fail 72" diameter is 3' radius or 9'xPi or 9x3.14 or 28+sq'
Again that one is asking for the greater than 99 federal pounding. If you are going to go over 99 plants you really have no need to worry about 25sq'
So growing is legal under 19, but if your garden is too big then NO CHANGE from current law. That is why many of this community see no benefit from 19 for the CA grower. 100% of the benefit is for the Lucky Few, smokers, and the rest of the world.
25 days until it passes!
No Fail...I said HALF of one of these
No Fail...I said HALF of one of these
No point debating this vta. The only people complaining about these limits are the ones who grow to sell and are too stupid, lazy, or greedy to start a business and pay taxes / liscensing fees.
Anyone else can easily produce enough in 25sqft for personal consumption....
I like how nobody really responded to my extremely valid point about mexican cartels having better/easier access to growing in California national forests.
For those of you in the central valley and so cal... you don't know whats going on up here and don't comment about how the mexicans are a scape-goat, you don't know whats going on or how many there actually are.
For those of you in the central valley and so cal... you don't know whats going on up here and don't comment about how the mexicans are a scape-goat, you don't know whats going on or how many there actually are.
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At least one person did... And prop 19 does nothing for growing in national forest, it won't be legal, and national forests are federal territory.
How will they have easier access. It's illegal to grow in a national forest regardless of 19....
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