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Vote YES or NO on Prop 19
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The CIA is the number one importer of hard drugs. Our soldiers are protecting the poppy fields in afganistan. Do you believe that? If that is true then anything can be true. So to say that Philip Morris, or any other company would not get involved in this is nieve. The Government, and big business are your friend. They only want the best for you.Dagnabit this has turned into your personal blog. You have your mind made up. Others don't, and rightfully so. I know there is a bill for 2012 that is less restrictive. You sit here and speculate, and call bullshit on everything. While people like me have a rough draft of a bill for 2012 sitting in my lap that I am putting my suggestions on. It is not for your State, but these same people will be the ones that will have a "good" bill for your state in 2012. Unless you are a part of the legalization movement then you really do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Have you helped to lobby? Do you help with wording on drafts of initiatives, and legislation? Do you actively help to get laws changed in others ways then turning threads on a forum into your personal blog?If so then you can continue with this personal blog. If not you do not have the right to keep calling bullshit. I do wish that I could share what I know, but then everyone would know who I am. Hell you wouldn't believe it anyway. Continue blogging dagnabit.
P.S. Dagnabit if you spent have of your day off of this blog, and out in the real world then I bet you could solely get this shitty bill passed. thank god you are in here.
cant argue with that...
the bill is in your lap thats an awesome reason to vote no...
ohhh and your right what was i thinking..
that the proven anti business administration would not jump on a rico suit against phillip morris..
hell the gov never would go after a tobacco company..
and to think a company would not take the rico risk for the crumbs they could get in cali...
what was i thinking...
glad i left the 4 state area! ticks,copperheads and guys with bills in their laps
"come close and read the fine print"
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OrganicOzarks
Dagnabit you need a hug. 
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OrganicOzarks
So philip Morris getting involved would be like the Union getting involved. Who would do such a crazy thing when it is illegal federaly.
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About 40 employees of an Oakland, Calif., marijuana-growing company joined the Teamsters union earlier this month, becoming what are believed to be the first pot growers to unionize in the country.
Employees of the grower, Marjyn Investments LLC, which grows pot for medicinal purposes, approached the union earlier this year, said Marty Frates, secretary-treasurer of Teamsters Local 70. The pot-grower's employees ratified a two-year contract in early September, he said.
Use of marijuana for medicinal purposes is allowed under California law, although it is still a violation of federal law. Medical-pot dispensaries are common in big California cities.
Marijuana-legalization supporters tout the unionization as a sign of the drug's growing legitimacy. The move also boosts Teamsters at a time of dwindling membership. "We've had our problems," Mr. Frates said, "so we've had to diversify."
Under the contract, Marjyn employees will make $18 an hour and about $26 an hour within 15 months, Mr. Frates said. They will also get health-care and pension benefits.
Clinton Killian, a lawyer who represents Marjyn, said the company thinks the unionization is a "great idea" that "benefits the company by giving us a stable, committed workforce in a protected environment."
Marijuana opponents derided the move. "I think it's pathetic," said Roger Morgan, executive director of the Coalition for a Drug-Free California. "I think Oakland is an embarrassment to California to begin with," for its lax attitude toward pot, "but for the Teamsters to throw in with them is just over the top and they should know full well that marijuana is illegal by federal law."
Oakland has one of the country's most accommodating attitudes toward marijuana. Residents of this Northern California city of 400,000 last year approved the nation's first pot-specific tax. Oakland's city council in July voted to allow industrial-scale medical-marijuana growing in the city.
The city is also home to Oaksterdam University, which teaches students how to become pot entrepreneurs. Oaksterdam employees are represented by United Food and Commercial Workers 5, though the workers have not yet ratified a contract, said leaders at both the school and union.
Californians in November will vote on Proposition 19, which would let adults possess marijuana and allow local governments to legalize and tax marijuana sales. A Sept. 2 SurveyUSA poll showed 47% of likely voters supporting the measure.
Dagnabit I bet you really need that hug now.
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California
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About 40 employees of an Oakland, Calif., marijuana-growing company joined the Teamsters union earlier this month, becoming what are believed to be the first pot growers to unionize in the country.
Employees of the grower, Marjyn Investments LLC, which grows pot for medicinal purposes, approached the union earlier this year, said Marty Frates, secretary-treasurer of Teamsters Local 70. The pot-grower's employees ratified a two-year contract in early September, he said.
Use of marijuana for medicinal purposes is allowed under California law, although it is still a violation of federal law. Medical-pot dispensaries are common in big California cities.
Marijuana-legalization supporters tout the unionization as a sign of the drug's growing legitimacy. The move also boosts Teamsters at a time of dwindling membership. "We've had our problems," Mr. Frates said, "so we've had to diversify."
Under the contract, Marjyn employees will make $18 an hour and about $26 an hour within 15 months, Mr. Frates said. They will also get health-care and pension benefits.
Clinton Killian, a lawyer who represents Marjyn, said the company thinks the unionization is a "great idea" that "benefits the company by giving us a stable, committed workforce in a protected environment."
Marijuana opponents derided the move. "I think it's pathetic," said Roger Morgan, executive director of the Coalition for a Drug-Free California. "I think Oakland is an embarrassment to California to begin with," for its lax attitude toward pot, "but for the Teamsters to throw in with them is just over the top and they should know full well that marijuana is illegal by federal law."
Oakland has one of the country's most accommodating attitudes toward marijuana. Residents of this Northern California city of 400,000 last year approved the nation's first pot-specific tax. Oakland's city council in July voted to allow industrial-scale medical-marijuana growing in the city.
The city is also home to Oaksterdam University, which teaches students how to become pot entrepreneurs. Oaksterdam employees are represented by United Food and Commercial Workers 5, though the workers have not yet ratified a contract, said leaders at both the school and union.
Californians in November will vote on Proposition 19, which would let adults possess marijuana and allow local governments to legalize and tax marijuana sales. A Sept. 2 SurveyUSA poll showed 47% of likely voters supporting the measure.
Dagnabit I bet you really need that hug now.
I know the bill, why do you even mention about reading it.
Do you really not see why the 5x5 was implemented?
Rich lee megagrow=corporate, it is the road to walmartization. 5x5 is a limitation set to support that. To think corporations cant get in on this, its just an assumption you came up with.
I think they can make it happen. Prove that they cant?
We have a good enough system to survive to something better,and Id love for you to be free and grow. You are however in denial of this bills underlying intent.
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OrganicOzarks
I know no one has ever used a credit card at a dispensary. Nor does any dispensary have a credit card machine. They all do cash, and don't put it in the bank because no big business will have anything to do with them while federal law says no no. None of them lease space from national companies. None of them purchase real estate through a realtor that is licensed. I could go on and on with the national companies that are already involved in this industry. Dagnabit you are just plain wrong.
So we should forever halt legalization for fear of "big business"? That is RIDICULOUS. This is America. Wealth is the American dream. Richard Lee is an American success story. Coming from nothing in a consevative state like Texas who became a millionare in California through medical marijuana, who stands to be the most famous canna freedom fighter.
Id rather have big business behind weed, than big business behind privitized prisons. What about you foxy?
5x5 is just the beginning. I believe soon these limits will be increased or removed all together, allowing people to cultivate larger amounts for personal use households.
The highly heralded 215 used to be far more restrictive and once people got used to it, many counties raised limits until limits were abolished all together. I truly believe 19 will follow the same suit.
I dont think any of the BOD would want to get involved with a drug that is illegal. The reco Act will prevent them from moving forward. Once the feds get it rescheduled to a 2 then there is some wiggle room. Right now there is none for major corporations wanting to sale cannabis over the counter. I dont see it that way at all. I have spoken to Dick and he is in favor of mom and pop stores and welcomes smaller growers to the market. Anyone can go to there website and ask questions. If Dick wants to do a Major grow he will be on the front lines and would be the first to be prosecuted. I dont think he wants to go to jail just to prove a point he is not Mark Emery. If you dont believe us and you dont believe Dick whats the point of the discussion. After all he would know just about everything there is to know regarding this bill.
Huge difference between all that you are saying, and a Major Company actually Cultivating on a large scale-- If you can't see that...try squinting your eyes, that sometimes helps me when I can't see clearly--
"please do explain how the board of directors of a multinational corporation would concede to engage in an ongoing criminal enterprise to grow a schedule one narcotic.?.?.?"
its complicated. these corporations are playing a long-term game in which the 1st step is to bring cannabis, in a controlled manner, into the university/private research realm. monsanto, who has alot of $$$ behind this bill, and various other agribiz heavyweights want to "tax, control, and regulate" there way into a monopoly by seizing exclusive control of the cannabis genome, so as to create novel genetic manipulations in pursuit of new patents. mainly along the lines of specific cannabinoid ratios. once they have the patents in place its just a matter of convincing/lobbying the government that their genetics are superior because they are predictable and produce the desired "therapeutic" ratios for research. then they become the only source for "licit" seeds for pharmaceutical research, as defined by the u.s. gov't. in this way they position themselves to pretty much corner what will be an emerging global medical cannabinoid market. this is how they are going to take over and "control" medical cannabis. its only a matter of putting enough lobbying dollars into washington before these new pharmaceutical cannabinoid products are accepted and then made the industry standard for medical. at this point any small scale production will be as legal as small scale opium production, or in other words, not at all. these "licit" seeds will have terminator technology. this means that they are basically sterile and any producer will have to purchase new seeds of the variety they grow every year. there is no saving of seeds. theres alot more info but i cant fit it all right here. the end game is a world where the only medical cannabinoids available are from pharmchem companies like GW pharmaceuticals and the small producers get edged out. they want to create a system where they hold the keys to the medicine and we are forced to purchase their shitty product. this bill is fucked. i am voting no. its sad some people are so desperate for "legalization" that they cant see the forest for the trees. this bill is not legalization. it is "control" of the worst variety.
its complicated. these corporations are playing a long-term game in which the 1st step is to bring cannabis, in a controlled manner, into the university/private research realm. monsanto, who has alot of $$$ behind this bill, and various other agribiz heavyweights want to "tax, control, and regulate" there way into a monopoly by seizing exclusive control of the cannabis genome, so as to create novel genetic manipulations in pursuit of new patents. mainly along the lines of specific cannabinoid ratios. once they have the patents in place its just a matter of convincing/lobbying the government that their genetics are superior because they are predictable and produce the desired "therapeutic" ratios for research. then they become the only source for "licit" seeds for pharmaceutical research, as defined by the u.s. gov't. in this way they position themselves to pretty much corner what will be an emerging global medical cannabinoid market. this is how they are going to take over and "control" medical cannabis. its only a matter of putting enough lobbying dollars into washington before these new pharmaceutical cannabinoid products are accepted and then made the industry standard for medical. at this point any small scale production will be as legal as small scale opium production, or in other words, not at all. these "licit" seeds will have terminator technology. this means that they are basically sterile and any producer will have to purchase new seeds of the variety they grow every year. there is no saving of seeds. theres alot more info but i cant fit it all right here. the end game is a world where the only medical cannabinoids available are from pharmchem companies like GW pharmaceuticals and the small producers get edged out. they want to create a system where they hold the keys to the medicine and we are forced to purchase their shitty product. this bill is fucked. i am voting no. its sad some people are so desperate for "legalization" that they cant see the forest for the trees. this bill is not legalization. it is "control" of the worst variety.
"I know no one has ever used a credit card at a dispensary. Nor does any dispensary have a credit card machine. They all do cash, and don't put it in the bank because no big business will have anything to do with them while federal law says no no. None of them lease space from national companies. None of them purchase real estate through a realtor that is licensed. I could go on and on with the national companies that are already involved in this industry. Dagnabit you are just plain wrong."
I just called peace in medicine in sebastopol. they accept amex, visa, and they have an atm in the back. so your obviously full of shit on that.
I just called peace in medicine in sebastopol. they accept amex, visa, and they have an atm in the back. so your obviously full of shit on that.
btw, my 1st post pre-supposes you are aware that the u.s. gov't allows certain corporations, like hortapharm, to import a certain amount of cannabis for research purposes. and im sure your aware of the u.s. gov't research facility in mississippi. see, if your a giant corporation, like monsanto, its easy to get a permit to grow "schedule 1 narcotics". esp if you have current/former employees peppered throughout government.
Huge difference between all that you are saying, and a Major Company actually Cultivating on a large scale-- If you can't see that...try squinting your eyes, that sometimes helps me when I can't see clearly--
Big biz just puts up fronts, they can filter money though non-affiliates and stay completely detached from their main gigs with nothing on the line but cash. They do it all the time.
and no I'm not talking NWO.
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OrganicOzarks
Huge difference between all that you are saying, and a Major Company actually Cultivating on a large scale-- If you can't see that...try squinting your eyes, that sometimes helps me when I can't see clearly--
So on a federal level banks who do business with dispensaries don't launder money? It is as illegal as growing cannabis on a large scale. Philip Morris could throw out a few bucks and change the game in a short time. If all of the tobacco industry got together they could do this practicaly over night. I do have to step back and say that it is funny what all of us start to bicker about on here. Honestly the world would not come to an eid if this passes. I will probably get a little grin on my face if this does pass, and hope that all of you forgot about what i said on here. Because I would need to then make a trip for clones. There are indeed worse things.
dont put words in my mouth and im sure T.Hill, Chimera,Rez, Gypsy and a few other well respected breeders dont want you putting words in there mouth as well. None of us feel the same way as you do so when you make a statement dont lump us all into your opinion. You should state it as your opinion. Its ok to be scsred of change it takes a bigger man to embace that change. All of what I say is my opionion. most of the facts have already been on display for you to read. If you chose to find the truth it's in here u just have to search for it.
Its sad the Richard Lee is an American success story, that's to bad.
And no I don't like big business behind anything. I like 215 enough to hold on for sum thing that doesn't treat people like 19 does.
I do understand your wanting to just roll with 19, I guess I could ask you and Dagnabit both. Do you agree with me on anything but still want to vote yes? or do you just completely disagree?
I could probably stop wasting my time.
I wonder if we'd still be fighting for medical marijuana today if the 'wait for a better bill' people would've had their way when 215 was on the ballot. The war isn't going to end just because 19 passes. IMHO, every victory builds momentum and gets us closer to getting the freedoms we want.
How many people would have thought that a bill allowing recreational use had a chance to pass back then? It's one thing to get people to support use for medical reasons, but to allow recreational use? Vote YES and continue working to improve things either by improving prop19 or introducing a better bill.
How does that saying go 'a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush'? If prop19 fails, you're going to have to hope a better bill comes along AND the better bill gets enough votes to pass. If not, you're left with nothing. If prop19 passes, you still have something while working to get more.
All I see is all or nothing. With that kind of mentality you will get nothing.
"5x5 is just the beginning. I believe soon these limits will be increased or removed all together, allowing people to cultivate larger amounts for personal use households.
The highly heralded 215 used to be far more restrictive and once people got used to it, many counties raised limits until limits were abolished all together. I truly believe 19 will follow the same suit."
actually, 215 was written to be wide open. sb 420 came in and set all these arbitrary plant #'s and actually significantly decreased the amount of plants patients were allowed to have. it took a patient putting his ass on the line and taking it to court to get those limits thrown out. and the only reason they were thrown out was because sb 420 was a legislative initiative and 215 was a voter initiative, just like prop 19. they carry more weight, voter initiatives. so the trend was actually towards more stringent regulation and less plants per patient after 215 was passed. so if your going by historical precedent, you would have to assume that 5x5 has a better chance of shrinking or staying the same than expanding, no?
The highly heralded 215 used to be far more restrictive and once people got used to it, many counties raised limits until limits were abolished all together. I truly believe 19 will follow the same suit."
actually, 215 was written to be wide open. sb 420 came in and set all these arbitrary plant #'s and actually significantly decreased the amount of plants patients were allowed to have. it took a patient putting his ass on the line and taking it to court to get those limits thrown out. and the only reason they were thrown out was because sb 420 was a legislative initiative and 215 was a voter initiative, just like prop 19. they carry more weight, voter initiatives. so the trend was actually towards more stringent regulation and less plants per patient after 215 was passed. so if your going by historical precedent, you would have to assume that 5x5 has a better chance of shrinking or staying the same than expanding, no?
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