But apparently they are invalid, unfounded, and deranged.
They aren't "true" objections, as evidenced in this thread.
They aren't "true" objections, as evidenced in this thread.
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Vote YES or NO on Prop 19
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got my legal mind a turning..
up until 19 cultivation has been categorized not by square footage but by plant numbers.
given that the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the state and '² never was an issue..
there could be a significant number of overturned convictions (or clemency granted) based on lack of evidence to prove an area greater than 25²'
There's always hope.
BigBudBill
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Do you think anyone is in for cultivation as measured by sq ft? But people ARE in for growing 3 plants indoors..
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I doubt many are in for three plants either.
you'd be surprised..
30k+/- fel. arrests in '08...
have to dig up the stats again...
I have no doubt that I would be suprised.
There's been a lot of that recently.
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There's been a lot of that recently.
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I agree there may not be many in for that...but how about 5 or 10 pounds in their closet??
♥Mo♥
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True, that is why we keep trying to get people to understand this bill is not perfect, but it is a base to work from. Then we can talk about clemency and stuff like that for current prisoners. If something like this doesn't pass now what could you use to better our movement? I see nothing anytime soon on the horizon. This needs to pass so there is a base to move forward.
And of those 30K felonies how many were in the small category that 19 changes?
Only hash less than an OZ and growing in 5'x5' is changed by 19 ALL other CA felonies stay felonies don't they?
BigBudBill
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1: It's a start
2: Have to start somewhere
3: It's called compromise
4: It can possibly get better
2: Have to start somewhere
3: It's called compromise
4: It can possibly get better
And of those 30K felonies how many were in the small category that 19 changes?
Only hash less than an OZ and growing in 5'x5' is changed by 19 ALL other CA felonies stay felonies don't they?
do try to keep up..
the discussion was concerning litigation based upon the fact that grows have heretofore not been measured by square footage but by numbers or weight.
creating an avenue to introduce reasonable doubt.
so in keeping with the spirit of the discussion within the discussion..
of those 30k
the hash cases would be overturned
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ALL growing cases could be overturned.
now this is all speculation but as reasonable speculation as some have speculated that monsanto,richard lee,george soros and phillip morris have conspired to get 19 passed so they could have multi thousand acre grows off shore...
Well that is very generous in the assumptions and I'll try to keep up. However help me understand how ALL growing cases could be overturned? If a case has taken the time to go through trial and a guilty verdic it is not easy to re-open. Also of those types of cases how many do you think have photos of grow areas FAR in excess of 25sq' or one OZ of hash?
People serving time for hash or growing in CA aren't there for small time stuff IMO.
I'm fine with BBBs IT IS A START point, but it is pure fantasy to claim 19 will help overturn previous grow convictions and if the state of CA takes the time to prosecute AFTER 19 passes I bet they only do so when they feel confident about obtaining a conviction.
So it is a start, but I don't see the get out of jail free card you do.
When prop 19 passes all NO voters should be banned
Well that is very generous in the assumptions and I'll try to keep up. However help me understand how ALL growing cases could be overturned? If a case has taken the time to go through trial and a guilty verdic it is not easy to re-open. Also of those types of cases how many do you think have photos of grow areas FAR in excess of 25sq' or one OZ of hash?
People serving time for hash or growing in CA aren't there for small time stuff IMO.
I'm fine with BBBs IT IS A START point, but it is pure fantasy to claim 19 will help overturn previous grow convictions and if the state of CA takes the time to prosecute AFTER 19 passes I bet they only do so when they feel confident about obtaining a conviction.
So it is a start, but I don't see the get out of jail free card you do.
thats why its called speculation..
but a good lawyer and a donation to the right 501 c:3 can work miracles....
it worked for me
all this bill is is a txx codifying bill anyone else voting on this for leaglization is a fucking idiot. it has nothing to do with legal but everything to do with taxes for the dumbasses in sactown who cant figure their shit out. Its legal in CA if you are medical, under an oz. is a minor violation with small fine. how much more legal do you need it. keep the money out of the hands of the govt. anyone living in CA who votes yes doesnt know what they are voting for.
Does dagnabit have a multiple personality disorder? I have a hard time believing that this is the same guy who was giving me shit for not going all Geraldo Rivera on the tea party's ass.
Will coffeeshop owners after 19 still face possible jail time?
Will coffeeshop owners after 19 still face possible jail time?
As I take if/when 19 passes selling large amounts will still be a solid federal felony, so does it mean that anyone owning a shop would risk serious charges?
Will coffeeshop owners after 19 still face possible jail time?
As I take if/when 19 passes selling large amounts will still be a solid federal felony, so does it mean that anyone owning a shop would risk serious charges?
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