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Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

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LSWM

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You need to put "legitimate" in quotes, but only if you're telling the truth. You don't, because you're not. We both know it.

People can play much the same game in CO & they're welcome to it, which is not to deny the medical benefits of cannabis at all.

And it's still all about you & your ego, obviously.

Clearly you do not know of that which you speak. Please go read the text of prop 215 and come back.
 

budtang

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Maybe the guy that had a rough day at work was depressed or has anxiety.


Why does Prozac exist again, if there's no medicinal benefit to what I'm talking about? lulz

If Brook Shields gets to pop her pills so she can be "happy" then we get to load our bowls.
 

armedoldhippy

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WHY DOES LEGALIZATION HAVE TO BE A REGULATION ON THE # OF PLANTS I CAN HAVE? Nobody comes and tells me how much beer I can brew or how many POPPY PLANTS I can have, for ornamental purposes only of course. Why is MJ so different?

don't know where you are, but where I am there IS a legal limit to how much beer you can brew, & how many gallons of wine you can make for personal consumption each year. of course, the law does not say that you have to drink all of it that year. :biggrin: plus, last I heard they still uproot your poppies if any of the pods have shallow slices in them & milky latex-like sap congealing on the outside...
 

Jhhnn

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What??????? Residential growers in Cali get licensed approval to sell to dispensaries for an "operating costs." I'm not talking about black market growers who sell under the table. In Colorado there are no licensed residential growers who can make a legal living from weed like there is in California. If there were this thread wouldn't exist.

Utterly mistaken.
 
don't know where you are, but where I am there IS a legal limit to how much beer you can brew, & how many gallons of wine you can make for personal consumption each year. of course, the law does not say that you have to drink all of it that year. :biggrin: plus, last I heard they still uproot your poppies if any of the pods have shallow slices in them & milky latex-like sap congealing on the outside...

You pretty much got that right.

I tried growing white peshwars in my front yard once. They pulled em up and nearly kicked down my door trying to politely inquire about their existence. Had to toss the next batch out back, LOL.
 

LSWM

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don't know where you are, but where I am there IS a legal limit to how much beer you can brew, & how many gallons of wine you can make for personal consumption each year. of course, the law does not say that you have to drink all of it that year. :biggrin: plus, last I heard they still uproot your poppies if any of the pods have shallow slices in them & milky latex-like sap congealing on the outside...

I guess you are correct. 200 gallons per house hold Federal Law. Fucking cock suckers.
 

budtang

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I guess you are correct. 200 gallons per house hold Federal Law. Fucking cock suckers.


hahahaha! What does that equate to in weed? Let's just say 4 oz of weed per gallon of whiskey. We should be allowed to have 50 pounds on us!!!!gl
 

bentom187

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^ Thank you. I have been in shock ever since reading that and still haven't found a way to respond to it. Your reply is way better than anything I could come up with...

Bentom, I was actually asking you to list a "real" example, like, a business that is not operating in a gray market. I didn't know I needed to specify that when the subject of this thread pertains to legalization, and the inherent government regulations that go hand in hand with an actual market place.

My position is that all businesses of every legitimate industry have to pay taxes and licensing fees, and follow government regulations. Your position seems to be that cannabis should either stay illegal or only be legalized if it can be the first industry that doesn't have to participate in the same paradigm as all other legitimate industries.

Gray markets are called gray markets for a reason... By definition, it is implied that under certain circumstances it can be considered illegal. Therefore, suggesting cannabis legalization can be akin to the cannabis seed market is erroneous.

The only reason there is any consideration to the legitimate market and illegitimate market is government. It does not matter its color or its creation. There are criminals or sociopaths with no right to regulate it, doing exactly that.

Fuck.

I am sorry I had to distinguish between gangsters and gangsters that you vote for to let you do something. And seedbay is something that exists legitimately because you and others use their service voluntarily.
 
So you just reject any concept of government.

You sound SO like me when I was in college. You should really think about studying Sociology. Not in a sarcastic manner at all. You'll love it. The entire discipline of social theory agrees with you and has been studying the sick relationship since its inception. There's a reason Karl Marx is considered one of the founding fathers of modern sociology.

That being said, it is what it is. You can argue that they don't have a right to point a gun at you all you like, but they're still pointing a gun at you. Talk to the gun.
 

bentom187

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To be blunt, real life isn't a situation where we can leap over tall buildings in a single bound like a comic book character.

CO style legalization Is exponentially better for the community than any realistic alternative ATM. It actively strikes at the heart of the rationale for cannabis prohibition & will obliterate it in this country over the course of the next few years.

We reveal the truth in a way that you couldn't accomplish in 100 years- we show a way that legal cannabis actually works, not how it might work. That difference is utterly profound from a public consciousness POV. That certainty sweeps aside the lies & distortions of prohibition in a way that nothing else possibly can.

If you think that we've sold out your Libertopian ideals, I'd suggest that we never shared them. If you think we compromised too much, I'd suggest that those same ideals cloud your judgement entirely. It's the price of Peace in the marijuana war, which is what we have for the vast majority of Coloradans. We convinced the rest of the electorate to take us in, grant us the legitimacy we've always deserved. We'll never give them reason to regret it, & we'll be able to move forward from here.

Yeah no one is asking you to be a super hero , just not to be a moron. The only truth you offer is your version of subjugation with taxes and imprisonment for those who don't agree. Something that has been tried for more than a hundred years. Congrats I think it will take you longer to figure out freedom is a solution, something we are proposing now, LOL.
 

budtang

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And it's still all about you & your ego, obviously.


What is your legal history with Cannabis? Have you ever been subjected to legal consequences for growing it? Because, I have. Trust me, it's not fun.

If there is one person in this thread who understands the importance of keeping people out of legal trouble for this it's me. You can't even begin to imagine what it's like. Forget about the fines, court dates, jail, probation, piss test. That's the easy shit!

The hard stuff is being perceived as a fucking criminal for the rest of your life by every family member you've ever cared about. That's ALL I'll ever by perceived as by my family for the rest of my days on this planet. It doesn't matter if I go cure cancer at this fucking point... I'm dead to my family. The ability to have a healthy relationship with people I care about the most has been completely destroyed because of my legal situation. Basically, this little legal situation that lasted 5 years has effectively taken my family away from me for the REST OF MY LIFE.

Keep that in mind when you make snarky little remarks about my motives.
 

bentom187

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So you just reject any concept of government.

You sound SO like me when I was in college. You should really think about studying Sociology. Not in a sarcastic manner at all. You'll love it. The entire discipline of social theory agrees with you and has been studying the sick relationship since its inception. There's a reason Karl Marx is considered one of the founding fathers of modern sociology.

That being said, it is what it is. You can argue that they don't have a right to point a gun at you all you like, but they're still pointing a gun at you. Talk to the gun.


Yup. Im not alone and neither are you so don't be discouraged. They can point guns all they want they don't have an alternative because they are dumb shits. There are other colleges and methods of learning for competent people. Marx and other horse shit statist theories are on their way out. Fuck Keynes as well.

For laughs

Hitler informed: Keynesian Fiscal Mulitplier Mathematically Illegal
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For evidence
Is Paul Krugman Leaving Princeton In Quiet Disgrace?


For starters in logical economics.
http://www.mises.org/
 
Oh, thanks! I LOVE finding stuff like this. Howard Zinn is my second man crush after George Clooney.

I don't know if you can see or not, but my avatar is a picture of Karl Marx. It says "Yo mama so classless she could be a Marxist utopia."

And for what it's worth, Marx wasn't a statist. One of his famous quotes toward the end of his life is "I am not a Marxist," referring specifically to this issue. You should read his full works and not just the Communist Manifesto, though his intent is clear just from the Manifesto. He saw a communist state as a form of almost tribal social organization. Central authority is by nature transitory in the world he foresaw.
 
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budtang

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I don't reject government all together. I just think our current form of government is outdated. Like an old house.

It was necessary 200 years ago to have elected representatives gather and vote on issues. That was the only practical way to do it 200 years ago. However, with all the technology we have around today I think they're are better ways. For example, you could have Congressman, Senators, and Presidents if you want. However, the extent of their authority would be to present the issues voted on. After that, the general public would vote on each issue over the internet. That way you don't have corrupt politicians ignoring the general public and serving their own personal interest.

This is a way to improve our system using modern technology. It's pretty ridiculous that you can vote for Dancing With the Stars on your goddamn phone, but you can't vote on whether, or not you send thousands of kids to go kill people on the other side of the world. It's time to tear this old shitty house down and build a new one with better technology. That's my solution.
 

2 Legal Co

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I could make 6 figures selling weed for that much. What in the hell is your point? You're naming off figures that people can make good money from as if it's a downside. It's hilarious. Median income in the U.S. is $45,000. $150 oz makes you a gazzillionaire compared to that.

My point is that the prices are falling as the supply increases. That translating to Lower prices if it's legalized.

I did not mean to suggest that you could or could not make a living at that level..... only that the Pricing levels are falling....

Personally I find that $45K in Denver is not a wonderful amount to live on.... Median or not.

I'm not the troll here.... just reporting what we're experiencing here in Colorado, as a result of what we Have accomplished. (Accomplishment being in the eyes of the beholder/resident). lol

In my case: I only grow for my own personal use, and don't have/need a license. I'm able to store my harvest for future use. So again. It's been all good for me.

One thing I'd like to reiterate is, that a Constitutional Amendment is highly preferable to simple legislation. I'm no lawyer, nor am I an expert on the subject. But it seems to me that a Constitutional Amendment is much more difficult to circumvent.
 
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