Violeta

[dubi]

I don't think I've ever been mentioned in a separate thread before, so thanks for making me feel special.

The PCK x PanamaDC (PDK) is a project close to my heart. Was the first real cross I ever did, and I've redone it about 4 times at this point.

At one point, I crossed Malawi x PCK and PDK v1 girls to a PCK male, and there was lots of color. Very pronounced purpling in the veins, growing outward, full purple flowers. The stuff you want to see. Here's one of the Malawi x PCK x PCK from that pollination
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I recently did another Malawi x PCK x PCK cross with different parents and it's there too. The Malawi x PCK and other PCK crosses can and will throw out some really colorful individuals, but that backcross (of sorts) really finishes the job.

The purpler PCK isn't always the loudest or most flavorful, so a strong, terpy mother from the whatever x PCK is a good idea since the PCK alone won't be adding a ton.

Indeed, I haven't grown the Violeta, but based on what I've seen, Ace did a great job with that one. Would probably make a great line to work a bit towards the colorful side, adding better structure and flavor to the PCK. Basically creating an 'improved' PCK to use as the base purple parent stock in future crosses. That's kind of my plan, at least.

Here's a girl I'm currently growing from the recent Malawi x PCK x PCK cross. I've had some issues in the garden, but they're showing the color well.
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Excellent efforts and results with your PCK hybrids @kamyo friend

When a breeder is considering crossing two different strains, it can be challenging to determine which specific parent plant combinations and positions will be superior at each breeding step.

For example, with two different lines of regular seeds, A and B, the possible combinations could be A female x B male, B female x A male, A female x B female (reversed), or B female x A female (reversed). And many more if you have many females and males, as happens in real breeding.

Results can vary significantly with each combination, and all should be progeny tested in the same cycle to determine the best possible combination for the given goals and available parent plants.

Yes, Violeta is mainly a dominant purple PCK hybrid. The addition of Malawi contributes with vigor, yield, and improves the flower structure and flower leaf ratio of the Pakistani. Violeta retains the essence of the purple PCK—its shape, flowering times, resistances, terpene profiles, colors, appearance, and overall personality— while Malawi, being very recessive for almost everything in Violeta, enhances these traits with its vigor.

 

[dubi]

Have you ever done a Violeta x Panama type cross?

I've had a plan for a Violeta x Panama D.C. line for ages now. It must be at least five years ago when I bought the seed stock for it.

I know @kamyo has been working PCK and Panama D.C. together, and I think he had an idea to cross that line with Malawi x PCK at some point too(?) A super cool project that has been very interesting to follow, but I'm under the impression that he hasn't worked with Violeta (as of yet).

But yeah, my idea is to build plants with pole-like form plus colourful and plump bracts, ready for hashing after a simple deleaf. For our personal enjoyment, and as a nod toward the Spanish scene too.

If you have crossed Violeta with a Panama-based line, were some of the results unexpected? And what kind of traits of Violeta should be prevalent in the progeny of that kind of cross?

Hi @FellaAndrene We haven't done Violeta x Panama yet, although we did F1s between Panama and PCK, which is close. Reiterating the above in previous post with another example how important is the position of parent plant in a given cross. Purple PCK 2002 x Panama Goddes reversed produced mostly mutated F1 offspring from seedling stage, while the opposite: Panama Goddess x Purple PCK 2002 produced an excellent sativa/indica F1 hybrid with all the good traits and without the health genetic problems hidden in PCK family.

 

[dubi]

Purple Buddies .... These ended up nice and sticky with saturated dark berry, star anise, and incense aromas. Can't wait to sample them in a month or so.

Dark berry, star anise and incense sounds very much of my taste enjoy!

 

[sgka]

Looking great passing mid flowering @sgka glad you are happy with the idea of having a green and a purple pheno from your 2 plants. The purple shows really intense pigmentation of good flower/leaf ratio and slight sativa influence. The green pheno looks like best green PCK expressions, but on steroids! Great main cola and dense flowers

How many days are they into flowering ?
How would you describe their terpene profiles now heading to maturation ?

@dubi that was week 5. They are now day 45 (no new photos).

The purple pheno is very berry grapey. It's a little light on the density that I'd prefer, and it's flopping all over. I can't reach the greener (but still purple) pheno, so no news on that. I will likely trash the purple pheno as I have 3 others mothers ready to throw into the mix, though she shows no sign of slowing down. Depending on her final attributes I may change my mind. She is also very nutrient sensitive which is throwing my single reservoir system off. The green pheno will pass the test for now.

Malawi x PCK has been prepped to replace these. I moved them from 1gals where they've lived for months, into 10s, and they will be vegging for 4 weeks before being launched into flower.

Will post pics this weekend for a Violeta update

 

[marmarb]

Hate to hijack but is the Violetta and peyote purple still available in the USA?

 

[FellaAndrene]

Hate to hijack but is the Violetta and peyote purple still available in the USA?

You won't find Peyote Purple - it was done by CannaBioGen. They quit the business a few years ago.

North Atlantic Seed Co. in Maine carry ACE Seeds and they should have feminized Violeta in stock.

 

[sgka]

Update, week 7:
Violeta 2, developing more purple color:

 

[sgka]

Violeta 1: flopping all over and fattening up slowly:

 

[dubi]

The 'greener' is finally catching up with the deep purple @sgka great, vigor and yield on her for Violeta strain. The purple pheno from the start is finaly bulking upthough not a big yielder like her sister.
Best selections are always made based on quality of their finished product.

 

[sgka]

The 'greener' is finally catching up with the deep purple @sgka great, vigor and yield on her for Violeta strain. The purple pheno from the start is finaly bulking upthough not a big yielder like her sister.
Best selections are always made based on quality of their finished product.

Agreed @dubi. Well see how the smoke is, but initial gut reaction after 20 years of growing is to cull the purple form start. There are two more violeta phenos I need to run, so maybe there's a grand slam in there.

 

[TresPlantas]

My outdoor violetta is not going to make it to the finishline. But I expected it. Just wanted to roll the dice on this one. I have a cut which is already planted indoors close to flip. So I think I will let the Outdoorlady roll as long as I can. Maybe she‘s resistant against all the stuff the bad conditions of this year throw at her. She surely has a tough task to make it. Colours are developing nicely and I‘m keen to see how she does indoor:

 

[dubi]

I'm sorry to hear that the weather didn’t cooperate this season @TresPlantas
Wishing you good luck in your upcoming adventures!

 

[TresPlantas]

I'm sorry to hear that the weather didn’t cooperate this season @TresPlantas
Wishing you good luck in your upcoming adventures!

Thanks but there is no reason to be sad. Given the circumstances my season went pretty good. Mainly thanks to your gentics. I‘m not that experienced outdoors. And even though the conditions are way worse this year than last year my result improved quite a bit. I learned a lot and have a good plan for improving next season. I see a leaening curve and that is what counts. First off all I take @Mitsuharu advice to heart and will start growing in containers outdoors.

Peace and love

 

[Eastcoastcookies]

Violeta V2 day68 about to get the chop .

 

[sgka]

Week 9 today. Need to scope them when I get a moment

 

[dubi]

Impressive @sgka This one has quite the Malawi vigor and yield, along with the purple colors and early flowering from PCK.

Congrats @Eastcoastcookies please, keep us updated with some smoke reports on your different plants when you feel is the right time

 

[moofingaround]

Hi @dubi thanks for asking.
My Violeta fem is a bit late in the season. It will be last to finish, but so far it is handling the wet/damp conditions here very well. The tropical scents are coming up. I think I may have underfed it for flower.

She really had a tall, vigorous and robust structure by early August @moofingaround
Hope this Pakistani indica based hybrid performs best against mold than the mostly Afghani genetics you grew from us last season.

How is your Violeta doing lately ?

 

[sgka]

Harvest time. I think the purple could go another week but I have things to move around and make room

 

[Pantzermensch]

A tiny plant in a tiny pot, for reasons.
The colors are amazing, she started smelling of glue and mandarines? tangerine? the moment the first trichomes appeared. Pictures are ~4 weeks since the first pre-flowers.

I just hope I don't kill the cutting I took.

 

[dubi]

Welcome to ICMag @Pantzermensch astonishing contrast between green and violet colors in mid-flowering!

@moofingaround a bit slow indeed, hope she can advance a bit more this month without major issues

Congrats on the harvest @sgka looks out of this world, enjoy!