Vintage Colombian

[Raho]

Excited beyond words for you Red!
Such a beautiful looking spot.
One thing you may benefit from during transition time on the land while permitted structures are under construction is some temporary structures.
Those usually don't require any permit.
Could be useful for drying, nursery operations, storage of soil, ferts and tools.
Things like that.
PVC "hoop house" usually meets the definition of temporary although I would prefer the steel hoop houses as discussed here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=339175
as the materials costs are not much more but the result is much stronger and lasts longer (UV damages PVC pipe with enough time)


May be worth discussing with your friends.

Will be nice to see those mango biche and kush in larger containers.


What's the water situation out at the new land and the bull ranch?
If there is a spring on a hill, a gravity feed drip system could be put together that would allow drip irrigation.
If not, a few solar panels/batts, pump and some storage tanks could get the ball rolling ;-)


You must be thrilled right now and working hard to stay cool.
I'd be a bit wary about putting too much work into growing at the bull ranch without a formal arrangement in place with the Old Bull in charge.

People with no cannabis experience can fall in love quickly with the plants and get very possessive about them in a situation like that. Next thing you know, you show up one day and "they have been stolen." Old Bull shrugs shoulders, doesn't know who, doesn't know where they are.
If he has a formal agreement with the backers, he may be less likely to feel like he has to do something like that.


Do you feel like YOUR agreement is nailed down to your satisfaction now with the money people?

 

[red rider]

The future uncertain and the end always near

The future uncertain and the end always near

Excited beyond words for you Red!
Such a beautiful looking spot.
One thing you may benefit from during transition time on the land while permitted structures are under construction is some temporary structures.
Those usually don't require any permit.
Could be useful for drying, nursery operations, storage of soil, ferts and tools.
Things like that.
PVC "hoop house" usually meets the definition of temporary although I would prefer the steel hoop houses as discussed here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=339175
as the materials costs are not much more but the result is much stronger and lasts longer (UV damages PVC pipe with enough time)


May be worth discussing with your friends.

Will be nice to see those mango biche and kush in larger containers.


What's the water situation out at the new land and the bull ranch?
If there is a spring on a hill, a gravity feed drip system could be put together that would allow drip irrigation.
If not, a few solar panels/batts, pump and some storage tanks could get the ball rolling ;-)


You must be thrilled right now and working hard to stay cool.
I'd be a bit wary about putting too much work into growing at the bull ranch without a formal arrangement in place with the Old Bull in charge.

People with no cannabis experience can fall in love quickly with the plants and get very possessive about them in a situation like that. Next thing you know, you show up one day and "they have been stolen." Old Bull shrugs shoulders, doesn't know who, doesn't know where they are.
If he has a formal agreement with the backers, he may be less likely to feel like he has to do something like that.


Do you feel like YOUR agreement is nailed down to your satisfaction now with the money people?

Thank you so much for your support and interest, I know I should update more often.

Actually many things going on at once so I just try to pace myself best as possible. And at the moment everything appears to be not only moving forward but also in the right direction for a change. As far as compensation, great talks have been had. But for now I just enjoy the day and the sexy Colombians.

Mangobiche 2019

I have a lot to do in the near future and right now just focusing on the right now.

While trying not to get distracted by these damn sexy women down here. Anyway not to jinx anything construction is well underway at the Zipacon bull ranch and we are going to look at a finca in another department next week. I take it day by day, see what I can get done next without screwing it up somehow.

red rider

 

[Gry]

Beautiful pictures, and thread.

 

[Cerro Bravo]

Hey Red, It has really been a pleasure to read this thread (I’ve read a little more that the las 1/3 for it, form 2015 on)! I hope you can get your things sorted out and hopefully in the future you can start something on your own. As you know well, land can be expensive in Colombia (specially in nice regions not too far away from the cities), but renting land (with a small house for example, “una finquita”) can be quite inexpensive.


I can tell you’ve travelled quite a bit in Colombia. I am in Rionegro (around 2100m altitude), with my 19 boys and girls and sometimes wishing I could grow more, but not with much of a commercial interest. I am not in the cannabis scene (I only have a few friends that grow a few plants for their own use). Seeing people like you and Charlie interested in the legendary Colombian varieties is really refreshing. While hybrids and other landraces have an undeniable value I am extremely surprised to see so little interest here for the old native strains.
I’ll continue to follow this thread.

 

[clearheaded]

So the university sells cuttings? why do they do that? why are they suspect mangobiche??

 

[red rider]

Hola

Hola

Hey Red, It has really been a pleasure to read this thread (I’ve read a little more that the las 1/3 for it, form 2015 on)! I hope you can get your things sorted out and hopefully in the future you can start something on your own. As you know well, land can be expensive in Colombia (specially in nice regions not too far away from the cities), but renting land (with a small house for example, “una finquita”) can be quite inexpensive.


I can tell you’ve travelled quite a bit in Colombia. I am in Rionegro (around 2100m altitude), with my 19 boys and girls and sometimes wishing I could grow more, but not with much of a commercial interest. I am not in the cannabis scene (I only have a few friends that grow a few plants for their own use). Seeing people like you and Charlie interested in the legendary Colombian varieties is really refreshing. While hybrids and other landraces have an undeniable value I am extremely surprised to see so little interest here for the old native strains.
I’ll continue to follow this thread.

Pleasure to meet you. Will PM you later.


red rider

 

[red rider]

Mangobiche

Mangobiche

So the university sells cuttings? why do they do that? why are they suspect mangobiche??

Man I'm sorry if I said the Mangobiche were "cuttings" because they'er not, they are from seed given to us by the national university of Colombia right here in Bogota. The chemist guy that works with us teaches at the national university (some times, he also works at some government testing lab) and he go the seeds from the Agriculture department.

I say "suspect" cause I'm going by the word of the chemist that they are indeed Mangobiche which I've grown out down here a few times. But I think they are authentic and I can only hope time will prove it.

They are a pleasure to grow and at the moment all is well.

red rider

 

[BobMarley99]

Very nice plants. They look legit.
Are you going to cross them to some Red Snake?
A Mangobiche backcross basically.

 

[red rider]

Not this time....

Not this time....

Very nice plants. They look legit.
Are you going to cross them to some Red Snake?
A Mangobiche backcross basically.

Hi Bob, man what a cross that would be with the Red Snake but alas no seeds in this 19 plant grow. I'm only growing these plants for my 'investor" if you will, like an audition cause they haven't a clue about cannabis. Anyway they are impressed although it's really nothing but I had to show them I could do it and now we are negotiating the actual contract. I see many situations with the licensing and regulations since they applied for all of them and now starting construction on the greenhouses built to government exact specifications. What happens if they don't get the license? Then we got a big expensive greenhouse or what, I don't know. Anyway I'm strapped in for the ride, just hope to hell everything goes as planned. Today they are doing all this construction on the house, adding more security to the front and garage and at the same time got a house cleaning crew running through the place.

So now I'm just focusing on what's in front of me and what I can do today. Making hashish comes to mind but that's another story.

It is a little distracting with all these people "close" to the garden but they don't come back here. Hard to remember this is a legal grow, still a secret.

red rider

 

[red rider]

Botanical therapy finca

Botanical therapy finca

Talking with the money folks this morning and I got some really good feedback on opening a "therapeutic" cannabis finca. I suggested a place where folks could come and saturate their receptors while soaking up some exceptional year round Colombian sunshine. They liked the idea and could be a reality in the near future.

Not my picture

Some place warm but not too hot or wet and where we cultivate old school plants along with others, legally of course. Same idea I've had really but every time I smoke some redbud it comes back to me brand new.

red rider

 

['Boogieman']

Do hybrids stay small in your equatorial environment? I would imagine even if pure Colombian sativa is gone or hard to find that growing mostly sativa dominate strains would be best for production?

 

[red rider]

Tropics

Tropics

Do hybrids stay small in your equatorial environment? I would imagine even if pure Colombian sativa is gone or hard to find that growing mostly sativa dominate strains would be best for production?

Good question man, nothing really grows well in Bogota (where I've been growing since 04) due to the cold. The altitude keeps temps low (not freezing) and that combined with a lot of cloud cover make the plants really struggle to grow and they are really slow about it. However, native strains of course due the best and require no supplemental lighting (veg). I can grow pretty big plants with a lot of time and supplemental lighting, hybrids and indica dom hybrids included.

Colombian Mangobiche 2019

The cold and altitude seem to really slow the plants down, even the native strains struggle and it's no wonder there were no commercial export grows here, ever. The finca where I will be relocating to (ASAP) is about 1,900 mts and it's a good bit warmer as well as drier there which I hope to have optimal growing conditions.

Mangobiche

But as a rule I would say yes hybrids do grow a lot smaller and slower at this location (2,700mts).

My current Mangobiche are growing well at the moment, more on the way.

red rider

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

How do the growing season work for you? Do all plants effectively autoflower or is there a time of year when the nights are short enough for veg growth to take place?

 

[red rider]

There might be 10 - 15 minutes difference through out the year but it's basically 12/12 year round. Almost all indoor/imported seed that I've grown out down here without supplemental lighting resulted in a 10 inch stick bud plant. There have been exceptions like some legions Johnny Blaze I grew out back in 07. They vegged on their own and grew to a respectable meter or so high and then flowered. But just about everything other than native varieties require a month or so of supplemental lighting to get big enough to yield anything worth mentioning.

red rider

 

[red rider]

Current Colombian

Current Colombian

While waiting to harvest I came across a cannabis delivery service here in Bogota. A young grower here turned me on to the guy and even sent a little price list. It's only weed and only two types, one costing 2,000 COP a gram and another costing 5,000.

White Rhino "organica"

The cheaper one held the title white rhino organica and was/is crippy, but fresh crippy I guess cause it has a very pleasant taste and effect. Not my first choice but better than some, maybe it was white rhino.

Love potion #9

The more expensive one was labeled love potion #9 and seemed to be the same as the other but different, not better just different. I ended up buying 30gs of the "organica" and 10 of the LP#9 for the boss lady. Grace was thrilled to buy cannabis although she doesn't consume it. Really the weed is just for creams and oils but I have to smoke/vape it too.

Sun ripening Colombian Mangobiche

We start working on the finca next week with the greenhouse guy and selecting some of our crew to work there. I can't wait to see how this goes with these never on time guys.

Got to be honest, I'm really looking forward to living and growing at this location. Calm and cool right now

red rider

 

[red rider]

Had to kill another Mangobiche in week six, full on hermi. Quick too, on day all female and the next balls. So out of ten Mangobiche plants not one true male and eight hermis.

 

[Gry]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to red rider again

 

[red rider]

Big meetings this week as we start building our crew for the finca. This requires specialist to make everything to government regulation. I had no idea it was going to require this much work and I'm rethinking my condensation. But I'm committed and ready to press forward yet still amazed that almost no one in this operation has any real knowledge of plants much less cannabis.

Still I'm optimistic even if it means consistently having to teach basic things about plants and everyone seems to be afraid of getting high.

Really a pretty good group so far and I really like the sexy female investor that is driving the operation. She understands things a little better than the young scientist guy who's questioning everything.

So next week should be exciting of course I try not to expect anything.

red rider

 

[Infinitelight5D]

Hey Red, been reading this thread for awhile. Just want to thank you for sharing your journey with us on IC.

I have been on a similar path but further behind in Jamaica, I'm actually there now trying to work out things for the future. Hopefully I make it as far as you and then on to the actual operation.

With the mangobiche you just had trouble with, do you think it could of been light pollution? Or other environmental stresses? Or maybe who made the seeds chose hermi prone plants?

 

[red rider]

Colombia

Colombia

Hey Red, been reading this thread for awhile. Just want to thank you for sharing your journey with us on IC.

I have been on a similar path but further behind in Jamaica, I'm actually there now trying to work out things for the future. Hopefully I make it as far as you and then on to the actual operation.

With the mangobiche you just had trouble with, do you think it could of been light pollution? Or other environmental stresses? Or maybe who made the seeds chose hermi prone plants?

I don't know anything about Jamaica but I certainly wish you the best there. As far as here in Colombia could be worst but at the moment it seems that we are moving forward. It would appear that I've got everything lined up and ready to go but you never know. Right now I got a "sponsor" investor type person, I don't want to say "boss" cause I maintain my independence. But they are super excited about the "new" cannabis industry and I fit right in. So the investors got the finca and applied for all the legal requirements and now actually construction has begun. I went out of town for a few days on some personal business but now that I'm back I've got a couple meetings to go to and some other bullshit to do this weekend. Really I'm only interested in the plant and I don't want to get distracted with details. Then on the other hand I can't let these novices screw something up for the plants, so that's where I am situation wise.

As far as the hermis, wasn't only the Mangobiche that threw some out, so I thought it was a light leak. But can't find one so with some of the other varieties i think it was just bad luck. However the Mangobiche I think is just prone to them as it hasn't been worked by a breeder. But I do have two nice ones left that are staying true so far. No cut taken or males so I pollinated them with one of the only two males I had, a beautiful Bangi Haze. Might be interesting but I'm getting more Mangobiche seeds from the university to hunt for a male.

Next week I'll cut the kush plants that everyone loves so much and start them drying. No one in our group smokes so I should have some nice flowers to vape soon.

Hey man if you're near the Blue mountains I love to see some pics.

red rider