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Vintage Colombian
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I did get to sample some Colombian grown destroyer that was simply out of this world. Very unique taste but the effect is what stood out from the other samples we were tasting. The destroyer effect cut right through the remaining buzz and instantly took me on a rocket ship ride. It's kind of racy for me but so pleasurable I'm dying to try it again. It has a clear brightening effect that really makes me feel "better" and absolutely no sleepiness. I didn't even know what it was until after it was consumed (it was the smallest sample of course) and someone told me it was the famous destroyer. Now I understand why everyone likes this plant so much.
red rider
red rider
Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo
Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo
Red you've sung Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo, and me Destroyer this and Destroyer that ~~ hehehe
Interesting thought about comparing a developed + f6 [(Thai x (Mex/Colo)] or + f7 [(Thai x (Mex/Colo)] x "Mr. Klean] verse a Colombian IBL - (North Santa Marta x Tolima) CBG's Punto Rojo maybe an f1, or f2 (?). I'm comparing early samples of Punto Rojo with Destroyer. Punto Rojo is very pleasurable and euphoric, similar to a what I call a "Red Hair" pheno from Destroyer x Highland Guerrero/ Blueberry.
Punto Rojo ~ 12 weeks of flowering.
Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo
Red you've sung Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo, and me Destroyer this and Destroyer that ~~ hehehe
Interesting thought about comparing a developed + f6 [(Thai x (Mex/Colo)] or + f7 [(Thai x (Mex/Colo)] x "Mr. Klean] verse a Colombian IBL - (North Santa Marta x Tolima) CBG's Punto Rojo maybe an f1, or f2 (?). I'm comparing early samples of Punto Rojo with Destroyer. Punto Rojo is very pleasurable and euphoric, similar to a what I call a "Red Hair" pheno from Destroyer x Highland Guerrero/ Blueberry.
Punto Rojo ~ 12 weeks of flowering.
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Destroyer x Highland Guerrero/Bluberry
Highland Guerrero x Blueberry
Punto Rojo x DS x HMBB)
Punto Rojo x HMBB
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Destroyer x Highland Guerrero/Bluberry
Highland Guerrero x Blueberry
Punto Rojo x DS x HMBB)
Punto Rojo x HMBB
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Santa Marta x Tomilas
Santa Marta x Tomilas
Punto Rojo - (Santa Marta x Tomilas) - two female phenotypes in very early flower. " Where's the boys?"
Delicate, wispy, skinny leaf, light green, asymetrical branching, sweet tropical fruit
Vigorous, strong, medium/thin leaf, branches everywhere, tropical fruit + pine
Santa Marta x Tomilas
Punto Rojo - (Santa Marta x Tomilas) - two female phenotypes in very early flower. " Where's the boys?"
Delicate, wispy, skinny leaf, light green, asymetrical branching, sweet tropical fruit
Vigorous, strong, medium/thin leaf, branches everywhere, tropical fruit + pine
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You have shown some photos of a few cool looking fincas on this thread so I am glad that you are closing in on getting it done. It great when a plan finally comes together.
Thanks for the information Charlie and Sforza, i have family in Cochabamba who have been saving seeds for the past few years, I asked him to preserve all of them regardless of the herb quality so someday I can grow them all in the states. Almost all the coca leaf finally processed in Columbia actually comes from the mountain grown higher alkaloid plants of Bolivia and Peru, they have a rich agricultural climate and history. So hopefully hoping for some nice narrow leaf to come from his collection, but not holding my breath with big expectations.
Here is a video of some narrow leaf in Cochabamba
http://youtu.be/nyS77mCS9dE
This one has some wide medium leaf farms and a few very narrow leaf farms
http://youtu.be/gu2lAairVFY
I will get some pics posted of my bros scores to see what it looks like, he is from the city (not rural area of Cochabamba) and gets random samples pretty regularly. The current Bolivian president is a former coca farmer and kicked the US forces out years ago so the scene there is lax now. Cochabamba and La Paz regions are extremely high altitude areas 8k to 12k feet so the growing conditions are really different than some of the lower parts of Bolivia.
But anyways to stay on topic I will post that in a new thread once there are some good pics. Thanks for the information it is hard info on Bolivia from experienced folks!
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Thanks man, I know I've been talking and talking for years about this. It just takes too much time to do things here, like finding the time to go look for a finca and then working out details with the Colombians also takes forever. That's why I haven't started a thread about the finca because we are still working on location details. However I must say that this is a most exciting adventure to be on.
red rider
> Special thanks to Charlie's Garicia."...
You can say that again!
That's funny you must be high very high
ha,ha, well yeah. There are some things you just don't want to do straight. I was cleaning and waxing my wood floors.
I would like to know about a "Red Hair" pheno. I found in Destroyer x Highland Guerrero/Blueberrry. Very profound and content high. I assume its from the Mexican in Destroyer, as the Highland Guerrero is green with hints of blue. High is Thai + Mex
A gold pheno from Destroyer, Thai-like high! Tastes just like lavender/lavender soap. Very spacious high, way beyond - punctuation! hehe
This one is a rocket ship.
PS> Red, I'm learning Spanish from a bi-lingual 20 month old. It took - what seemed like - forever for her to start talking. Now that she is, her Spanish is on par with mine. She's so cute the way she mixes up Spanish and English. The other day she said as her mother, was leaving. "Bye guapa."
Maybe you should consider Spanish classes for us old gringos. It might work for me, hey guapa, love ya- "I'm going to Colombia again for my Spanish class. I'm a slow learner, its going to take a few trips. Be back soon..
You can say that again!
That's funny you must be high very high
ha,ha, well yeah. There are some things you just don't want to do straight. I was cleaning and waxing my wood floors.
I would like to know about a "Red Hair" pheno. I found in Destroyer x Highland Guerrero/Blueberrry. Very profound and content high. I assume its from the Mexican in Destroyer, as the Highland Guerrero is green with hints of blue. High is Thai + Mex
A gold pheno from Destroyer, Thai-like high! Tastes just like lavender/lavender soap. Very spacious high, way beyond - punctuation! hehe
This one is a rocket ship.
PS> Red, I'm learning Spanish from a bi-lingual 20 month old. It took - what seemed like - forever for her to start talking. Now that she is, her Spanish is on par with mine. She's so cute the way she mixes up Spanish and English. The other day she said as her mother, was leaving. "Bye guapa."
Maybe you should consider Spanish classes for us old gringos. It might work for me, hey guapa, love ya- "I'm going to Colombia again for my Spanish class. I'm a slow learner, its going to take a few trips. Be back soon..
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Teaching Spanish, man if I gave you or anyone else a Spanish lesson they would deport us from the country. My Spanish is embarrassingly poor, I can understand at around 80% but I can only speak a few basic phrases and questions. Then there is my very “Gringo” pronunciation that says let’s just speak in English. Thank goodness many Colombians now speak some English. I love your pictures and the way you’re going my friend.
red rider
Punto rojo
I’ve been lucky in my life to be able to have sampled a few different types of Punto rojo both in the 70s-80s as well as in Colombia (2005). But the very best example I had of the Punto rojo (the queen of sativa) was in 1979 DFW Texas. My running buddy and I had a connection, this guy was from Norcal and got the finest imports of the day. He would get small “batches” from California like black Nepalese hashish, real Thai stick, black African, the absolute best Mexicans, Hawaiian sinsemilla and Colombians better than any in Texas. This dude was straight up cool too, living in North Dallas, driving the baddest Chevell I’d ever seen and a girlfriend right out of a beach boy’s song. He had the “best” of everything and was the guy to be friends with. One day we get wind that dude has some really good Colombian to get rid of (cheap). So thinking we could make a killing since it was dry we bought a pound of it. It was the finest Punto rojo I’ve ever had. Big chunks of blueish green buds streaked with blood red hairs, not very many seeds either. It smelt like heaven and a taste to match. It was potent even by today’s standards requiring only one or two hits to get a full wallop of fine Colombian THC. But the high was spectacular, soaring and deeply satisfying. This stuff made people happy and euphoric, energized with new interest and ideas. Every time you hit this beautiful plant she made you better, whenever wherever she took you there. We were going to do well with a pound of this herb, however we didn’t. It turns out that our fantastic North Dallas connection sold us the fine Colombian cheap because he was getting some new Californian grown sinsemilla. The sinsemilla was $100 an oz. ($25 a ¼) and the Colombian was $65 an oz. All our friends (customers) knew our guy and wanted to try his new fancy sinsemilla leaving us sitting on the lumbo. We ended up smoking it of course but damn near starved because of it. I’ll never forget a month or two after we had smoked the pound a guy I turn on a few joints of it came to me and thanked me for sharing the finest herb he’d ever had in his life.
I’m looking for “that” Punto rojo.
Red rider
I’ve been lucky in my life to be able to have sampled a few different types of Punto rojo both in the 70s-80s as well as in Colombia (2005). But the very best example I had of the Punto rojo (the queen of sativa) was in 1979 DFW Texas. My running buddy and I had a connection, this guy was from Norcal and got the finest imports of the day. He would get small “batches” from California like black Nepalese hashish, real Thai stick, black African, the absolute best Mexicans, Hawaiian sinsemilla and Colombians better than any in Texas. This dude was straight up cool too, living in North Dallas, driving the baddest Chevell I’d ever seen and a girlfriend right out of a beach boy’s song. He had the “best” of everything and was the guy to be friends with. One day we get wind that dude has some really good Colombian to get rid of (cheap). So thinking we could make a killing since it was dry we bought a pound of it. It was the finest Punto rojo I’ve ever had. Big chunks of blueish green buds streaked with blood red hairs, not very many seeds either. It smelt like heaven and a taste to match. It was potent even by today’s standards requiring only one or two hits to get a full wallop of fine Colombian THC. But the high was spectacular, soaring and deeply satisfying. This stuff made people happy and euphoric, energized with new interest and ideas. Every time you hit this beautiful plant she made you better, whenever wherever she took you there. We were going to do well with a pound of this herb, however we didn’t. It turns out that our fantastic North Dallas connection sold us the fine Colombian cheap because he was getting some new Californian grown sinsemilla. The sinsemilla was $100 an oz. ($25 a ¼) and the Colombian was $65 an oz. All our friends (customers) knew our guy and wanted to try his new fancy sinsemilla leaving us sitting on the lumbo. We ended up smoking it of course but damn near starved because of it. I’ll never forget a month or two after we had smoked the pound a guy I turn on a few joints of it came to me and thanked me for sharing the finest herb he’d ever had in his life.
I’m looking for “that” Punto rojo.
Red rider
Always good to read your words Red. Your memories are alive on the pages of this forum
I suggest going to school for Spanish if you are going to be in business there. I studied English in Colombia and USC in the USA. It really helped me have a better life here. I still get called a Mexican sometime though
I suggest going to school for Spanish if you are going to be in business there. I studied English in Colombia and USC in the USA. It really helped me have a better life here. I still get called a Mexican sometime though
I’m looking for “that” Punto Rojo.
Not sure if "this" Punto Rojo is "that" Punto Rojo. This is Charlie's Garicia."...Punto Rojo. 13 weeks into flowering and I'm harvesting mature seeds and smoking the thin brown/gold leaves surrounding the seeded calyxes. The high should only get stronger from 13 weeks and probably add complexity.
Charlie's Garicia."...Punto Rojo has a clear pure high, as you first noted, when I ask about strains with a spiritual high. "This" is "that." Almost no stone, the high is felt high in the head above the sphere between your eyes and your crown chakra. About as pure as it gets, euphoric, content, and "as it should be", just don't expect to get stoned. Not as energetic or psychedelic as Chimera's Highland Guerrero x Blueberry.
That "Red hair" is the closest I've got to the high of Charlie's Garicia."...Punto Rojo. I'm testing the South American pheno, strong growth, vigorous, flowers everywhere - "Jennifer Flowers".
I like the Thai-like light green pheno, I named "Juicy Lucy". I've been looking for a light-green haze with sweet tropical fruit aromas. This may be "that". I just cloned "Juicy Lucy" as the keeper, because she's- more delicate, more wispy, red colored branches, vine like structure, completely flexible asymmetrical branching, and stronger tropical fruit aroma. My guess - Juicy Fruit Thai, crossed to a strong Colombian.
None of the heavy, narcotic, dreamy effect associated with connoisseur loose flower tops - late 1970's Red Colombian. The high from "Red Hair" (Destroyer x Highland Mexican) is the closest I have to the clarity and purity of high from Charlie's Garicia."...Punto Rojo.
Not sure if "this" Punto Rojo is "that" Punto Rojo. This is Charlie's Garicia."...Punto Rojo. 13 weeks into flowering and I'm harvesting mature seeds and smoking the thin brown/gold leaves surrounding the seeded calyxes. The high should only get stronger from 13 weeks and probably add complexity.
Charlie's Garicia."...Punto Rojo has a clear pure high, as you first noted, when I ask about strains with a spiritual high. "This" is "that." Almost no stone, the high is felt high in the head above the sphere between your eyes and your crown chakra. About as pure as it gets, euphoric, content, and "as it should be", just don't expect to get stoned. Not as energetic or psychedelic as Chimera's Highland Guerrero x Blueberry.
That "Red hair" is the closest I've got to the high of Charlie's Garicia."...Punto Rojo. I'm testing the South American pheno, strong growth, vigorous, flowers everywhere - "Jennifer Flowers".
I like the Thai-like light green pheno, I named "Juicy Lucy". I've been looking for a light-green haze with sweet tropical fruit aromas. This may be "that". I just cloned "Juicy Lucy" as the keeper, because she's- more delicate, more wispy, red colored branches, vine like structure, completely flexible asymmetrical branching, and stronger tropical fruit aroma. My guess - Juicy Fruit Thai, crossed to a strong Colombian.
None of the heavy, narcotic, dreamy effect associated with connoisseur loose flower tops - late 1970's Red Colombian. The high from "Red Hair" (Destroyer x Highland Mexican) is the closest I have to the clarity and purity of high from Charlie's Garicia."...Punto Rojo.
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I can agree with most of what you are saying and I must say that you are looking in the right direction. The vintage Punto Rojo I’m going to reconstruct (starting with Charlies that is already here) must be done here in Colombia. I believe that with the right genetics you can get close but you simply can’t replicate the growing climate here and as such the plant can not show her full expression. There’s no doubt that a master grower will get spectacular results (indoors) but you will not have “that” Punto Rojo. It may be a very slight difference but hey there’s only one molecule difference between water and hydrogen peroxide.
The vintage Colombian is still in Colombia, it just needs to be “reworked” to return it to the quality we all love and remember. This restoration has a very high priority on our list of to dos.
red rider
How we roll
I can agree with most of what you are saying and I must say that you are looking in the right direction. The vintage Punto Rojo I’m going to reconstruct (starting with Charlies that is already here) must be done here in Colombia. I believe that with the right genetics you can get close but you simply can’t replicate the growing climate here and as such the plant can not show her full expression. There’s no doubt that a master grower will get spectacular results (indoors) but you will not have “that” Punto Rojo. It may be a very slight difference but hey there’s only one molecule difference between water and hydrogen peroxide.
The vintage Colombian is still in Colombia, it just needs to be “reworked” to return it to the quality we all love and remember. This restoration has a very high priority on our list of to dos.
red rider
I agree Punto Rojo needs to be worked and enjoyed. Just for fun, I'll grow f6 - f7 Thai / Mexican and Haze / Mexican genetics from Charlie and Sam, alongside Punto Rojo. Punto Rojo grows like some of the hazes. I'd like to revive 1970's Acapulco Gold. Sam crossed Acapulco Gold to his Original Haze. Its a start.
All the best! May flowers rain down on the finica.
All the best! May flowers rain down on the finica.
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You speak of the plants that motivate me to do all this work. Wonderful descriptions and good luck to all doing preservation and restoration work for these sativas. Thank you all for your efforts and passion.
Thank you so much my friend and I look forward to seeing your just for fun work. I can't say for sure but I think Punto Rojo has a lot to do with the Haze, it taste like it to me.
And yes the "redbud" I remember from the late 70s was really good too but could knock you out. I remember we had some really special redbud come thru DFW and when it was gone everyone was like Jonesing for it. That was right before Colombian went to seedy garbage and green homegrown came to town.
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