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VerdantGreen's quarters - 250HPS organic mod.scrog

neongreen

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Verdant,

Your growing skills never cease to amaze me! That Black Forest looks awesome, and the Cheese is not looking bad either!

Keep up the great work mate!
 

VerdantGreen

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thanks neon!

tbh i'm getting bored with keep taking photos of the cheese and BF - im looking forward to getting some new plants in there. going to try a winter Blueberry and i've got a few other things in the pipeline. maybe even a new little cab for the micro forum :)

the cheese is some lovely smoke though :joint:

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neongreen

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Sounds like a good idea to me Verdant. Keeping it varied makes sense :)

I did once have the Cheese, but did not grow it out to it's full potential. Even so, I got a hint of what she was like. I can understand why you'd want to keep it around :canabis:

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thanks neon and hella - yes im excited about having a little more space and a few more options - i should keep quiet till i've built the cab etc though - dont want to jump the gun

it seems that some people get bored of the cheese after a while so we will see. it does also represent a good selection of sk#1 ibl from a good while back as well so as a breeding option it is quite desirable too.

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rty007

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got to ask... how high is that 250W cab because i couldn't find that information even though i am quite sure it has to be somewhere here... and your idea really inspired me to do something quite like that. I am also wondering... do you think that a homebox s would do the trick?
 

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hey Bobby thanks for stopping by :)

hi rty - the cab is about 3.5' high - i wish it was taller but thats all i got to work with

for a 250 anything that is 4-5 square foot in area will give you good yields with this method.

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i sowed my first ever home made seeds today.
4 cheese xBF and 4 Powerplant x BF. i want to see what effect the BF male has on the cross - hopefully it wont extend the flowering time too much. i may try growing 4 sog style plants in 1 quarter as i need to test out more than 1 plant and it's a bit of as risk filling the whole cab with untested strains.

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slowmotionman

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kudos on your work

kudos on your work

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Firsts things firsts, GREAT JOB! You're a true master!!:woohoo:
Looking at the pictures, it looks like you grow them about 8" or so and then put them under the screen. With the JTR under the screen and then the 4 day growth, did you flower them at all? Im trying to get as much info to have a general idea, so when that special day comes, :dueling: "no issues" Im hoping my state may go legal, so until then no fun for me :violin:. I always live life by the K.I.S.S. moto, there are so many different ways to scrog, it all comes down to what works for the grower.. Any info helps myself and others, to pay it forward. As far as the nutes that you add into the soild; "N guano 5g/litre, P guano 5g/litre, seaweed meal 5g/litre." Is this the only supplement added to the soil or do you add others fertilizers during the grow? Thanks in advanced and best of future growing! :abduct:

Heres some info I picked up on scrog, if anyone is interested in reading, not my work below! If anyone knows who wrote it out or are the Author, thank you!


The SCREEN
Remember at least 2x2inch squares. You can use chicken wire as well or even some tightly strug rope but I would suggest wire. You need something strong to support the buds and hold back the canopy growth. The screen needs to be cut to size. The size of the screen is determined by the size of your lamp. Remember that to get the good bud formation you want from 50 watts per square foot so your screen size should not exceed that. Check the examples below.

150hps screen size 1.75ft x 1.75ft

250hps screen size 2.25ft x 2.25ft

400hps screen size 2.91ft x 2.75ft

600hps screen size 3.45ft x 3.45ft

1000hps screen size 4.4ft x 4.5ft

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The screen of green (SCROG) method is also used when height and wattage are a consideration. A screen, usually of netting, screenwire or chickenwire, is attached at a desired height above the plants. This allows the growing marijuana plants to begin to grow horizontally after reaching the height limit, thus keeping the canopy, or height, at an even level, which allows consistent light penetration into the growing plants. Many growers have a consistent high yield using this method.


ScrOG is like a SOG grow except that fewer plants are used in conjunction with a screen to fill the grow area with heavy top colas � hence its name, ScrOG or Screen of Green. The screen is simply a large wire mesh placed between your light and the plants. Again, clones from a female plant are used, but we allow at least one square foot per flowering plant in the ScrOG method. The plants aren’t flowered until they have covered the entire mesh with green. As the plants grow up through the wire mesh they’re trained and worked around the netting to form a very even canopy. The top colas and side branches are all trained under the screen.

There are many variations of the above two methods, yet they all utilize the same principles. SOGs and ScrOGs were originally developed to get the most out of poor quality fluorescent lights. The grower would line the roof of the shelf or box with fluorescent tubes to try and get the most out of their grow. Today’s growers, using good HID bulbs, have taken these setups to a new level: pushing their buds to the limit. Some people even grow top colas that are the size of large corncobs or soda bottles! ScrOG Growing by Real High Real High is a ScrOG lover and has been growing ScrOG style for some years. He has added a bit to the ScrOG method through his experience with the process. This should help you understand more about the ScrOG method and what people have learned with this new technique.

My setup is like a SOG growing, but a screen is used to train the plant to grow horizontally, creating a canopy of buds beneath the light. The screen is simply made from chicken wire or nylon poultry fencing, or you can use hooks and 20 Ib. fishing line to make the net. This picture shows a ScrOG variation. II Is a small SerOG setup for a cabinet growing. Tins picture also contains a homemade octagonal vented hood for a 250-watl HPS light.

The screen is installed at a fixed height above the plant medium. For Indica varieties the screen does not need to be much more than 8 inches above the pots. Indica Saliva hybrids need about 12 inches white Sativa plants tend to have longer internodes so you may have to use a screen that is about 18 inches above the pots. If your strain is a pure Sativa variety, like Haze or Thai, you may have to raise your screen to around 24 inches. This space allows the base of the plant a certain amount of vertical growth before branching occurs on the clone. The clone should start to branch just under the screen but if it does not do not worry because you are going to be training them anyway. The light should be suspended by adjustable chains so that it can be raised if necessary.

ScrOG growing doesn’t require as many plants as SOG (allow at least one square foot per flowering plant), but takes anywhere from one to three weeks longer per grow because we will be in the vegetative growth stage longer than a SOG grow to allow the plants to fill out.

The plants are trained to grow horizontally under the screen until they’re two weeks into the flowering cycle, at which point you let the tops grow vertically through the screen. You should always train the main growing tops from the outside of the screen moving inwards so that the colas are focused as closely as possible on the light dispersed from the bulb. You will not be able to get all of them centered under the light, but you should aim for this shape. As the tops grow vertically, push the large fan leaves down under the screen, allowing the light to get to all the developing bud sites.

If leaf growth is excessive, you can first cut fan leaves in half making a shorter leaf and allowing light to get to the bud site. Leaving half the leaf on the plant still allows it to make energy for the plant to grow. Taking a whole fan leaf away in one go can stunt growth. In about a week, you can take off the rest of the leaf. Some people don’t remove the leaf at all, but I do it to help with air movement, reduce the chance of mold or fungus and to allow more light to penetrate the bud sites. Just remember to remove a little at a time if you do remove leaf mass.

At this point flowers are forming and growing vertically, creating a carpet of bud above the screen. Now we go below the screen and remove all the lateral branches and stray bud sites. The canopy has thickened enough that light is blocked from reaching this lower growth. It’s only diverting your plants’ energy away from the buds. You can remove all branches that haven’t made it to the screen and the stray bud sites but you may experience stunting. Although you want the plant to concentrate all of it�s grow energy on the developing flowers above the canopy, removing too much leaf mass and branching can prevent additional flowering.

The three main differences between a SOG and ScrOG grow are the number of plants grown, the use of a screen and the slightly longer grow cycle of the ScrOG. Both methods can be done under the same light and in soil or with hydroponics. There are many variations of the ScrOG grow � including V-ScrOG, Stadium ScrOG, Flat ScrOG and Cylinder ScrOG � but they are all based on the same principles. They work essentially the same way but use different shapes.

One of the best strains available for your ScrOG garden is C99. You will find that a pure Indica or Indica dominant cross will produce the best in a ScrOG grow. A good ScrOG grow will average two ounces of bud per square foot of screen, but you can’t expect this the first few grows, because it takes proper timing and the correct strain to accomplish this.

ScrOG was originally designed for grow areas limited in height and lit by fluo-rescents. Today’s growers are using HID lights for growing ScrOG. They’ve taken it to the next level with these lights and are generating far greater results. Today’s grower is always trying something new to improve the production of their favorite plant. So there we have Real High explaining how he has worked with the ScrOG system. As you can see, he’s added more to the basic ScrOG grow. With experience, practice and experimentation, you too can create your own customized grow.
Some Notes on SOG and ScrOG Growing

Even though M H and H PS lights can be used in conjunction with ScrOG and SOG grows, most ScrOG and SOG growers will use HPS because of the short vegetative period before flowering. Sometimes growers use smaller wattage HPS lights like the 250W and 400W series to keep the cost of electricity down and bud production within an acceptable range. In fact, ScrOG grows are so dense that smaller lights are sometimes more cost-effective than lights in the 600 to 1000W range, but again this depends on your strain and level of experience. If you get it right you can effectively direct 95% of available light onto your bud. The end result is like a canopy of pure bud with the light belting down on top of it all for 12 hours a day.

Some ScrOG growers like to tie the center of the screen down to avoid it being pushed up by the center of the bud production, which should be the most vigorous since it is directly under the light. If the plants were to push the screen up it would affect the overall results because the light would not be able to reach all the bud areas. The pushing effect could also cause stems and branches to break.

You should not leave your plants growing in vegetative growth for too long because this causes more leaf matter to develop than bud which will make our SOG or ScrOG grow less effective. Also watch out that you do not crush or pinch the stems as this will cause branches to develop at those areas or close to them. Branch development means that plant energy is being used in leaf and branch promotion rather than bud production.

You can experiment with different shapes of ScrOG to see how it affects your overall yield. Some ScrOG growers even advocate a dome shaped screen to match the curvature of light dispersal patterns � however it must also be said that the differences between shapes in the final yields is not always significant and the overall effect is more exciting looking than anything else.”
 

rty007

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thank you VG that means that i will be able to make a double-decker of around 5' grow cab+ mom/clone/veg :) even though i am not a beginner, but hell if something works for someone else why should I be kicking in open doors right? I mean obviously there are many factors to consider and most likely I wouldn't be getting as much as you do. I am thinking... when I'm all dialed in and runing I would most likely get still less than you do, but hell it is for a personal stash. so should easily last me between harvests.
 

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slowmotionman - thanks for that mate - the jtr had been on 12/12 for a week or so before i fitted the screen as i had to sex them - perhaps i should have put them back to veg for a day or two because i would have liked a little more stretch. in this thread if you see the screen fitted then they are on 12/12 - the cab is perpetual harvest to i cant veg in there. i find that if you repot as you put them to flower then they stretch plenty enough to fill the screen.
as for the soil mix they sometimes go all the way with just water and sometimes i feed them a bit of boibizz bloom. i do use very big 15litre pots though - i think that may be one of the reasons for my good yields.

rty007 - yeah go for it. concentrate on growing good weed and the yields will follow. i talk about yield too much really - quality is what it's all about. doesnt matter about yield so much when you aint paying for it ;)

mrred - ill try and get a shot. it's just such a long process to take pics and strip out the exif data and upload - i tend to concentrate on the growing plants. a pic wouldnt tell the smell either. this is the only thing ive grown other than my blueberry that will fill the room with odour when you open the jar :)

later

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rty007

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rty007 - yeah go for it. concentrate on growing good weed and the yields will follow. i talk about yield too much really - quality is what it's all about. doesnt matter about yield so much when you aint paying for it ;)

exactly :)

I mean, I have helped with and planed some more kind of commercial or semi commercial grows, but when it comes to my own personal grow I became truthfully retarded:D I mean I cant decide on the strain, on the method, on the style, wats. Maybe that is because i will be moving soon, and I do not intend to grow until i move. Most likely when the time to grow will come it will get easier :)

BUT I think that your method is really cool and i think i will stick to it.
that makes like 250w for veg/flo cab and around the same wats for some mothers to have a few strains to chose from :)

since i am moving to a rural area i will be using some home brew compost
feeding with fish craped water from a aquaponic system I recommend to look at some sites such as backyard aquaponics and such, beacouse the fish craped water makes a great nut source i have used it before even tho the guy that run the system looked at me at first like... "are you fuckin crazy" but then he really came around when he have seen with his own eyes how willingly those bitches were growing, and since you can spare one corner of the grow box or even the return pipe that you run your dump water back to the tank if you are doing a bush bucket setup and the pipe gets some light you can put a bucket there and plant some basil to cut down even more on fish food which already aint that expesive, esspecialy in comparison to those so called pro-nuts.
 

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nice on rty - if you have time on your hands it's well worth researching and planning. the aquaponics is pretty cool stuff. i keep fish myself but havent used the water on my plants yet ;)

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right, the second cheese from the cab was harvested today. very happy with my training job on this one and the way it has used the stored nutes in the leaves as it has finished.
top view - 68 days
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side view
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Blimey

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Always a spectacular show here, VG. Another nice crop! Good work on the flush. My taste buds are tingling just looking at those last pix.

What's next in that quarter of the scrog?
 

rty007

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nice on rty - if you have time on your hands it's well worth researching and planning. the aquaponics is pretty cool stuff. i keep fish myself but havent used the water on my plants yet ;)
yup, just tell me why is it so freaking hard to decide on strains for your own grow... I mean when i helped some guys on planing systems it was like "take this strain, it looks great in a bag// take this strain it yields like crazy" but when it comes to my own choice it is just crazy as hell... I mean, I lead a pretty stressful lifestyle and even before that i always had loads of trouble with sleeping so i want something to help me to sleep (lavender/black domina /hindu kush) it also requires a lot of creativity which i hope that (satori/braainstorm haze/arajans strawberry haze/kilimanjaro/reclining buddah) but i also want a social stain just to toke and chill out with friends playing volleyball or something... (speed queen or something else) but as I think everybody around sometimes I just want to turn everything around off and light a joint and just turn myself off in a freak show around I tried some trainwreck cross and it was just what i wanted i mean body relaxed locked in a chair and the head just tripping, both visual and sound sensations were just amazing:D

I want to keep 4 mothers total, i am a really a "light" smoker so i won't get fed up. I have tried those strains even tho it was a pain in the butt to get my hands on kilimanjaro and reclinig buddah around here... and those bolded are those i am more keen on could you maybe get some input on the strains of choice or suggest some others? I am asking because you really seem to cycle quite some mothers/strains :)

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hyh.. forgot :D
about watering your plants get a testing kit for the key elements test your water and go for it... these girls will just LOVE you for it and will grow really steadily and pretty much no worries of nut burn, maybe if you fish count is low you may experience some nut deficiency but if you are running aquaponics the water is just freaking great :D

ok... i am gona go now... couse it is starting to get a little bit of a hijack mission :)
 

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rty - sounds like you have quite a shopping list there mate :) lavender is on i would like to try too. i think you have to look at the searching for your ideal strains as the fun but as much as finding them. i have similar goals - maybe half a dozen mums - my advice is not to but too many packs of seeds to start with because you can only grow so many out and there will always be some new ones come alomg that you have to have ;)
the next mum i may let go will be NL probably - its good but not my holy grail sleeper strain. i'd like to run it again and make some seeds with it before i toss it though. great yielder.

hey lond! thanks for stopping in mate - glad you like :)

got some pics to post...
 

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Blimey - thanks mate - see below for the new plants in the cab :)

here is the JTR after being in the cab for a few days - not looking too bad - its pretty much topped out (stopped stretching) i think. all i have done before the photo is tuck a few leaves that were shading places where i want the buds to grow a bit
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there are a couple of gaps but all in all not a bad job for a seed plant.

into the gap where the cheese was removed goes a sharksbreath. the stretch should easily fill the screen - especially with the hps bulb in there
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one of the quarters is still vacant and will be filled with a blueberry probably on thursday. these were kind of the reserves i had put by in case i didnt get many females with the JTR - which i didnt:joint:

later

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