To achieve proper vapour you need a device that has and accurate temperature display like the volcano or the aromed vaporiser. The reason why these devices are so expensive is because allot of work has gone into making the temperature range as accurate as it can be. I recommend you save up for a device that has a digital temperature display like the volcano digi. All the best.
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Vaporizing recommendations?
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Yea clive, ive recently bought one of them from are kid [brother] cus hes always moaning about how he paid for something that has a piece missing! p £25 gbp from blue meanie,[Strain] Mitch .This guy :
Thats his bruv in the chair.He fell down the stairs in the early 90's.
Looking fwd to trying them balloons.
I'll place a pic later,hope ya can help me out.Called vapir one,think.
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Thats his bruv in the chair.He fell down the stairs in the early 90's.
Looking fwd to trying them balloons.
I'll place a pic later,hope ya can help me out.Called vapir one,think.
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PLEASE PM ME MOD.
My favs are the Life Saber vaporizer all glass and The Cloud. Both are bong based too (The Cloud is built in w/a state of the art diffuser bong). Vripmaster has a cool bong made for vapes. Don't care much at all for bag vapes.I would like to know what the industry standard is on vaporizers, I have always smoked but since moving my asthma is kicking in bad, it was recommended i start vaporizing but there is so much out there, I can't spend the coin on a volcano and I have been looking at the Vapir products, also heard some good stuff about the silver surfer, any advice would be welcomed.
Thanks
VapeXhale Cloud + StoneGlassWorks ShowerDome (recessed joint)
VapeXhale Cloud + VertigoGlass HydraTree (gridded, protruding joint)
7th Floor Life Saber Vaporizer
Silver Surfer Vaporizer in Silver Hands Free GG
VripMaster High Performance Vaporization Water Tool Pro Model
Aromazap REG RockZap(F17 Oak)
Herb Iron
Magic Flight Launch Box
Other vape bongs I like are Ehle, Molino, RX Industries - scientific glass and Roor but there's a bunch of others that are good too.
The ones that had best reviews and my personal favs are highlighted in yellow, but they're all generally pretty good:
correct.
the Cloud guys would save a lot of trouble if they just had a digital thermometer on their vape. 10 o'clock on the dial doesn't mean anything.
Don't do the digital it doesn't seem to bring on the heat you need .. Get the older machine if your going for the Volcano. I have not heard anything good about that hand held devise I have a bunch of friends that bought it and they don't like it. I say keep it simple headband 707
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Truthman
Why would someone get an analogue temperature control unit that can fluctuate in temperatures of 9 degrees Fahrenheit(the site says this) when you can use a digital controlled one that fluctuates just 2 degrees?. If you pack your bowl this temperature can be even lower as too much herb in the bowl lowers the temperature even further.
Maybe the reason you didn't find the digital gave enough heat is because it is more accurate than the classic, and the temperature you chose was actually a little higher then you actually thought it was, but while using the digital it was more close to the temperature you actually wanted. I don't know but the digital is better for temperature control.
during my research I came across some Med dispencery .pdf's tha laid out very nicely why vaping was better, They say that 338 degrees seems to be the sweet spot, I would have to agree, I do most of the cooking in the oven at 350 and there is no combustion.
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Truthman
Do you think it will make a difference?.
Being that so much air is going through the cloud a lot of the heated air will cool down in the ez load chamber, and it won't be near the temperature being shown on the display. I think this is why it give so much clouds, because I realize now that all the air is condensing the vapor as it travels through it.
If you look at a bong being smoked, you will notice that air is rushing through it, and making the vapor/smoke heavier by condensing it which is what we call clouds. The faster the air,and cooler it is(water/ice), the cooler it makes the vapor, and the denser the vapor gets BUT this isn't what we want when vaping as the dense vapor is difficult to absorb by our lungs. Our lungs want very light gas. Just look around you, the air we breath is "invisible" but we know it's there, while smoke in a fire can cause problems if taken in too long. The same for essential oils odor that we love. They are not seen but can bring a nice smell all over a room, and also clean out our lungs like the oils of garlic when inhaled when cooking or after eating. I went off on a tangent, but just wanted to talk about something I'm starting to notice.
Look at this video, and notice the fast air rushing through the bong, and the vapor getting heavier as it thickens:
Go to 6:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAN0Nc0eRA8
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Truthman
That is low as fuck!. What vaporizer were they using as a lot vaporizers have horrible temperature accuracy so the display may not be the actual temperature?.
Also, what was that temperature perfect for?. If you want essential oils, and a little thc then yeah but to get damn near all of the actives from the plant that isn't going to cut it.
Cooking in the oven is very different from inhaling straight into your lungs.
It would be hard to believe that anything would be condensing at 14.7 psi and an ambient of 70f, then you claim it condenses after it heats up, I think I must be confused about the thermal dynamics of this particular equation.
Hopefully I dont get flamed by SSV or Volcano users for it but I LOVE my HerbalAire 2.2. Such a versatile unit, extremely efficient, and great price point vs most of the competition. It could very easily be the most overlooked, under-rated, or unheard of vape on the market.
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Truthman
I think your looking at the word condense as it would mean to make solid, but I'm using it as it originally means which is to "To make more concise; abridge or shorten" as the dictionary states it. If you look at the vapor/smoke you will see it is becoming more dense the more it cools off. It isn't turning into a solid mass but it is still condensing nonetheless because if it were to stay hot it would be almost invisible due to the hot air holding more moisture(the vapor) as hot air can hold more then cool air.
If you were to slowly raise the temperature of your vaporizer while loading a small bowl, you will have less condensation taking place as less of the actives being released will be cooled off by the plant fibers lowering the heat as well as not having too much actives absorbing the heat, and cooling down too much. Not too mention they are sticky in nature so having them cool off too much will have them stick together much more then they would have if they were in a smaller number, which means they will be too big to be absorbed by the lungs, and just condense into a solid mass onto the lung walls.
I know people will not even pay attention to what I'm writing or not even understand it as it is so against what we do as a community(smokers/vaporist), but seeing clouds is counterproductive to getting mega high and I'm trying to explain it. There is more also such as decarboxylation, and people needing to do it to get the best out of herb, and I'm not referring to eating neither, you can eat foods high in vitamin b6 to do that.
I have to go but keep the convo going.
Truthman said:
there has been a lot of discussion about one Cloud running hot and another one running cold. even a simple BBQ thermometer (like i use on my Bud Toaster) solves that issue.
Truthman said:
that's not what happens. i have my thermometer measuring the hottest part of the heater coil. and for testing purposes, i put another thermometer probe in the middle of the herb. the temperature of the herb is 50°F lower than the heater until i take a hit, then the temperature in the herb rapidly (3 seconds) rises to match the heater temperature. my controller has no problem balancing the cooling effect of the fresh ambient air flowing through the hot glass. the Cloud works the same way, but has an even larger heater element, so it does not lose heat when taking a hit (based on videos).
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Truthman
It does not lose heat in the heating element BUT the bowl does. This is why people can raise the temperature to maximum and not get a cherry.
I don't know how fast you inhale on the budtoaster but based on how tight the cloud's ezload bowl is, where it is located, and how small the screen holes in the ezload bowl are, you have to do a fast inhale that brings in a lot of air to equalize everything. From what I've seen the budtoaster is a small handheld so ultra fast inhales aren't needed so that may be why the temperature doesn't drop as fast INSIDE the bowl. Plus based on how it's designed the heater SURROUNDS the bowl while the cloud has the bowl at the end of the heating element so the temperature can drop significantly as you inhale fast and some air won't be able to be fully saturated with heat and thus lower the temperature INSIDE of the bowl.
If the cloud had the bowl situated INSIDE the heating element such as the budtoaster then this would be different story.
i don't think so ... the hot air heats the bowl, overpowering the cooling effect of air flow. after the toke, the temperature of the herb inside the bowl drops.
also, the air flow in the Cloud has several restrictions in the glass tube (the "bamboo") that causes the air to swirl and pick up more heat from the hot glass -- better thermal transfer to the air flow.
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Truthman
This is true BUT again we have to remember how thin air is, and when you inhale fast, which is the way bong users inhale, some will get passed the heater, and not be fully saturated to the temperature you want to vape at considering how big the hole is that allows air in. It will then get passed the bowl and ultimately cool the vapor inside the bong and "condense" it. You also have to remember that the ezload bowl connection goes directly inside the bong which holds water which will also cool down the bowl area significantly. I'm not saying the temperature drops to ultra low temperatures, BUT it will be low enough to allow the vapor to cool down significantly once it hits the glass bong, and water, especially if you vape a good amount of potent herb or hash as these will have a lot of oils that absorb air effectively.
If you read some testimonials on fc, some have found they get a quicker, thicker extraction when they let the cloud heat up longer then recommended, and it's most likely because more air is getting saturated with the heat then if they just allowed the heater itself to reach temperature, and started vaping.
