tiny rabid bird : the smoke was fine, quite potent . by the way, this was a re-vegged plant. i couldnt tell the difference, taste or potency-wise, between this, and the original harvest, which was piss-free.
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green_grow: Wow, she looks beautiful, the buds almost look like they have been blurred their so nice and soft. Low too, I tried for the same thing but topped a little late, now it's a battle to keep her from peeping over the fencegreen_grow said:
.good work.
It's always nice to get outside validation that I was hallucinating or making things upNiteTiger said:Actually, it's not too early. Urea's nitrogen is in the most available form for plant uptake, if I remember correctly. Plus, whenever a hungry plant gets food, it immediately begins going, and it does its job well
. She's just showing the fewest of pistols but is bushing up and growing out nicely so I think she's still on fence as to whether she's in flower or not .NuggyBuds said:
Thanks for the tips NuggyBuds, was curious tho, any suggestions on a natural veggie phosphorus source instead of the bone meal/ash (if one exists). Not a big deal, but if I can go veggie, I'd rather
.Now the only battle is having diluted nutrient solution in the fridge which is starting to grind on my girlfriend
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NuggyBuds
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Yes accually, a while ago I used ground raw pumpkin seed, bubbled with molassas, all through flower. It worked great.
It's comming up to that season so hat may help.
I'm going to stock up this year.
Other than that I hear that the Russian Comphery plant is rich in Phosphorus, but I've no experiance with it.
Apperantly alfalfa meal is a decent source as well.
Bone meal is really the best though...
It's comming up to that season so hat may help.
I'm going to stock up this year.
Other than that I hear that the Russian Comphery plant is rich in Phosphorus, but I've no experiance with it.
Apperantly alfalfa meal is a decent source as well.
Bone meal is really the best though...
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mallyone
NuggyBuds said:
I think I'll go with the bone meal, these ladies have been fed chemicals for simplicty throughout so I think I'll go with a sure thing, but will definitely try some of the above suggestions on the next round.
I'm going to head on down to the hydro store sometime today to grab some benificials and if he has it some wood and bone ash. I'm running low on nutrients so I'm thinking of doing a full switch for the soiless plants too, if I mixed all the nutrients (pee and the ashes), ph balanced and then threw in some bennies, it sounds like I could just pour it into the coco right away and let the benificials do their thing? Or should it be fermented? (haven't figured out how to do this yet).
Hey Nuggy, that artists representation of that wonderful looking purple bud you use as an avatar, do you know what strain the artist was trying to represent when she/he painted it?.
NuggyBuds
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Sorry for not getting back quicker...
you could throw it in there fresh if that is what is easyest, however it would follow that it will take longer for the nutriants to be available. I've no experiance with coco, so I'm not sure if it is condusive to organic style.
I'd check with the guys at the organic fanatic collective about using coco.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36542
As for my pic, I'm sorry to say, but that is not a natural purple. The artist took some liberties in the realism department. I'm unsure of the strain as the seads were a gift.
here's the orig.
you could throw it in there fresh if that is what is easyest, however it would follow that it will take longer for the nutriants to be available. I've no experiance with coco, so I'm not sure if it is condusive to organic style.
I'd check with the guys at the organic fanatic collective about using coco.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36542
As for my pic, I'm sorry to say, but that is not a natural purple. The artist took some liberties in the realism department. I'm unsure of the strain as the seads were a gift.
here's the orig.
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If you do use it. How often would you water with it?
EasyBakeIndica
Member
I've used it in the past and results on par with anything else. But I would not advise using human urine in teas or compost. After further research, it wouldn't make much sense unless I was desperate for nutrients. I'm too paranoid about spoiling my precious mychorzial fungi with the harmful bacteria found in my system.
After all, I don't know a human that has as strict of an organic, vegetarian diet as any of the animals from which I currently procure my fertilizers from.
ebi
After all, I don't know a human that has as strict of an organic, vegetarian diet as any of the animals from which I currently procure my fertilizers from.
ebi
what nite tiger just said .
i dont know of any reason for letting the product ferment. it will smell bad and i know from experience that the ph changes (up or down, i cant remember) when you let it sit .
just drain the main vein, water it down 10:1 or so, check/adjust ph and serve. occasionally i toss in a dash of molasses and/or a pinch of epsom, but neither is probably necessary.
i dont know of any reason for letting the product ferment. it will smell bad and i know from experience that the ph changes (up or down, i cant remember) when you let it sit .
just drain the main vein, water it down 10:1 or so, check/adjust ph and serve. occasionally i toss in a dash of molasses and/or a pinch of epsom, but neither is probably necessary.
EasyBakeIndica
Member
Thank you Nuggy (and NiteTiger)!
And while it's still an 'organic' form of nutrients, my urine probably doesn't qualify under OMRI standards
Aside from that, It seems to me that any additional variety of nutrients/micronutrients would be beneficial.
You're right about the sterility, I think I was just more cautious about cross-contaminated bacteria which would like to thrive in it. Of course, once properly dilluted and brewed into a tea, there shouldn't be a reason to worry.
Either way, I need to be more consistent. I'm over in another thread arguing why it's safe to use something like bone meal for the same reason and now I'm taking the exact opposite position in this one.
So I guess it should be put more like this: From my experience, the stuff has worked fine. But I'd still prefer my pet's piss over my own...far fewer preservatives. ;-)
And while it's still an 'organic' form of nutrients, my urine probably doesn't qualify under OMRI standards
Aside from that, It seems to me that any additional variety of nutrients/micronutrients would be beneficial.
You're right about the sterility, I think I was just more cautious about cross-contaminated bacteria which would like to thrive in it. Of course, once properly dilluted and brewed into a tea, there shouldn't be a reason to worry.
Either way, I need to be more consistent. I'm over in another thread arguing why it's safe to use something like bone meal for the same reason and now I'm taking the exact opposite position in this one.
So I guess it should be put more like this: From my experience, the stuff has worked fine. But I'd still prefer my pet's piss over my own...far fewer preservatives. ;-)
Great info here 
I only just found this thread now... just after submitting the article below to submissions...so sorry for the double post.
i have used this method, diluted of course..works great. I don't understand people having a problem with this...is it really worse than what comes out of the ass of an animal? People have no problem with shit...but with piss...
mushrooms on your pizza is grown of horse shit I think....and that is eaten, not smoked.
I recently let the mix sit out a bit...for like 12 hours at room temp. I checked the PH and it was at 8! Apparently, this is a part of the degradation process. So just keep in mind that this will occur if you use it as a fert. I would much rather have the PH change occur outside of the soil to a point where it stabilizes than have it change in the soil...
So I adjusted the PH with lemon juice. With some molasses, some bacteria and diluted urine, I think you can do no wrong with this cheap/green method. The molasses really helps with the smell and with the bacterial growth, that in turn helps the plant use up the nutes. I think the only thing to watch out for as mentioned before is if you consume lots of salt.
Also interesting, it seems drug labs are starting to use PH as a measure of how fresh , and thus how legit the urine is. Another thing to keep in mind....a fact that hopefully non of us will ever have to worry about.
"The Mandatory Guidelines for Federal Workplace Drug Testing Programs provide criteria for specimen validity testing, including urine pH cut-offs, to report a urine specimen as adulterated or invalid. Since the urine pH criteria for invalid classifications, ≥ 3 and < 4.5 or ≥ 9 and < 11, became effective in November 2004, a number of specimens with results within the upper invalid limits, typically in the range of 9.1 to 9.3, have been reported with no evidence of adulteration. This study evaluated the hypothesis that these pH findings were the result of exposure to increased environmental temperatures during specimen standing and transport. Indeed, increased storage temperatures were associated with increased urine pH, with the magnitude of the change related to both storage time and temperature. The pH values of specimens stored at –20°C are relatively stable, whereas pH results > 9 are achieved at storage temperatures of room temperature or higher. It is noteworthy that no condition(s) produced a specimen with a pH > 9.5. Degradation of nitrogenous urine analytes is most likely responsible for the noted increases in pH. These findings are intended to supplement information used by the Medical Review Officers who are responsible for interpreting such marginally invalid pH results.
Reproduction of editorial content of this journal is prohibited without publisher’s permission.
http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2007...r/486-cook.html
I only just found this thread now... just after submitting the article below to submissions...so sorry for the double post.
i have used this method, diluted of course..works great. I don't understand people having a problem with this...is it really worse than what comes out of the ass of an animal? People have no problem with shit...but with piss...
mushrooms on your pizza is grown of horse shit I think....and that is eaten, not smoked.
I recently let the mix sit out a bit...for like 12 hours at room temp. I checked the PH and it was at 8! Apparently, this is a part of the degradation process. So just keep in mind that this will occur if you use it as a fert. I would much rather have the PH change occur outside of the soil to a point where it stabilizes than have it change in the soil...
So I adjusted the PH with lemon juice. With some molasses, some bacteria and diluted urine, I think you can do no wrong with this cheap/green method. The molasses really helps with the smell and with the bacterial growth, that in turn helps the plant use up the nutes. I think the only thing to watch out for as mentioned before is if you consume lots of salt.
Also interesting, it seems drug labs are starting to use PH as a measure of how fresh , and thus how legit the urine is. Another thing to keep in mind....a fact that hopefully non of us will ever have to worry about.
"The Mandatory Guidelines for Federal Workplace Drug Testing Programs provide criteria for specimen validity testing, including urine pH cut-offs, to report a urine specimen as adulterated or invalid. Since the urine pH criteria for invalid classifications, ≥ 3 and < 4.5 or ≥ 9 and < 11, became effective in November 2004, a number of specimens with results within the upper invalid limits, typically in the range of 9.1 to 9.3, have been reported with no evidence of adulteration. This study evaluated the hypothesis that these pH findings were the result of exposure to increased environmental temperatures during specimen standing and transport. Indeed, increased storage temperatures were associated with increased urine pH, with the magnitude of the change related to both storage time and temperature. The pH values of specimens stored at –20°C are relatively stable, whereas pH results > 9 are achieved at storage temperatures of room temperature or higher. It is noteworthy that no condition(s) produced a specimen with a pH > 9.5. Degradation of nitrogenous urine analytes is most likely responsible for the noted increases in pH. These findings are intended to supplement information used by the Medical Review Officers who are responsible for interpreting such marginally invalid pH results.
Reproduction of editorial content of this journal is prohibited without publisher’s permission.
http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2007...r/486-cook.html
Joe Hawkins
Active member
Ah the Urine thread!
I started one on OG and literally got pissed on.
I discovered the magic of urine when I first started growing. I couldnt afford a bottle of maxicrop (I was still in school and too young to work). With a little biological knowledge behind me from high school biology lessons I decided to give this a go, mind you I wasnt so serious about growing in those days at it was merely a hobby, I didnt even smoke, so it was ok to see it die if that what it was going to do, but it didnt, in fact the next day the leaves were greener and the plant was healthier than I ve ever seen it.
I still use urine as a fert for outdoors, and during flowering I just sprinkle potash around the base a little bit.
I started one on OG and literally got pissed on.
I discovered the magic of urine when I first started growing. I couldnt afford a bottle of maxicrop (I was still in school and too young to work). With a little biological knowledge behind me from high school biology lessons I decided to give this a go, mind you I wasnt so serious about growing in those days at it was merely a hobby, I didnt even smoke, so it was ok to see it die if that what it was going to do, but it didnt, in fact the next day the leaves were greener and the plant was healthier than I ve ever seen it.
I still use urine as a fert for outdoors, and during flowering I just sprinkle potash around the base a little bit.
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Just wanted to let the "alternative" nutrient folks know I'm going to be doing a urine and coco grow (see signature). Also setup a urine haters thread so the thread doesn't turn into "that's stupid", "your gross" etc... as it says in the urine haters thread, it might take some of that heat off this thread also. Thems the hopes anyways
I'm growing in coco so in the next two weeks I need to figure out how to get some bennies eating urea and converting to nitrogen. Was thinking a pee in compost leechings tea kind of deal. Let that sit for a bit to get the ph to balance out, dilute, and then use some phosphoric acid I have sitting around to ph balance the mix and hand water. I do like the lemon idea, would that keep the mix buffered though?
Any opinions from non-haters?
Peace... M1...
I'm growing in coco so in the next two weeks I need to figure out how to get some bennies eating urea and converting to nitrogen. Was thinking a pee in compost leechings tea kind of deal. Let that sit for a bit to get the ph to balance out, dilute, and then use some phosphoric acid I have sitting around to ph balance the mix and hand water. I do like the lemon idea, would that keep the mix buffered though?
Any opinions from non-haters?
Peace... M1...
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Where did all the pee heads go? I'm about to put the yellow to the test, but I ain't s.m.r.t enough to do it on my own!!! well, I am, but I might **** it up.
