"I do germ by putting the seeds in a glass of water, never had issues with that"
Oh fuck, I ONLY had issues with that until I ditched the system completely already a long time ago. So I never looked back, and maybe my seeds are now already easy enough that they would also work with the glass of water, but I just never tried it anymore after all those fuck ups with low oxygen situations.
Seeds that sprout with lots of oxygen make a way bigger and whiter pen root than seeds that have gotten low oxygen.
People may wanna look a bit more into that cos it is very crucial to have things go like it should already since day 1.
If day 1 is already fucked, then that will show out later on as well.
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Here is a bit of an explanation on how it all works.
You d' need to look at the soil conditions here up North, and the way I sow in the plots as dense as possible with shit loads of dry seeds, and as soon as the snow is gone..
In spring, there is like a meter snow that melts away in just one or 2 weeks time.
That water cannot go anywhere at first because of the still frozen underground.
So there is no drain, and the soil is very soggy and cold.
On such conditions, a sprouting seed would be very unlucky and would at best dwarf up, or succumb to root rot.
Only after the under soil becomes complete unfrozen, the surface water will flow away. This coincides with when there are about a steady +10c in day time for a while, while nights may still endure an occasional frost, or hit +5c at best.
It is at this moment that most seeds are going to sprout at approximately the same time.
So as soon as the temperature hits +10c in daytime, and with a bit of sun on it to heat up the upper layer of the soil , and they are not exposed any longer to liquid water surrounding them, that's when seeds in here need to germinate to get the right advantages for having a chance to survive.
When I sow in later in the year, then I always first saturate the plots totally with water before sowing, but then the temps are also already much higher, like 18c. As soon as the water drains away, and because of the already warmer temps, that's when these seeds have the best chance to survive their germination. Roots do need that oxygen to be functional, and to go after the dropping moist zone in the soil.
So yes. I am convinced it has all to do with the right oxygen vs moist levels, and seeds are by their nature not meant to germinate in a bottle cap with liquid water that's deprived of oxygen.
Seeds that would sprout in a puddle of water would be outgrown in a blink of an eye by other seeds that would wait until the water has first drained away, and thus, the impatient ones would have no chance to survive in nature.
Or in other words: A seed that germinates when it is surrounded by liquid water that is not going anywhere anytime soon, does not have a chance to compete or survive in nature.
So it is possible to conclude that my canna seeds are not meant to germinate in liquid water by the nature of their design.
That it is possible to do it in bottle cap of water as well, is a complete different story with an origin coming from an environment like Afghanistan for instance, where seeds need taking advantage of the pretty much only huge thunder spray of water they may be getting in Spring, and would need to last them for pretty much all the rest of their summer.
So yeh, this here is not Afghanistan, and seeds have been acclimated to Northern conditions meanwhile.
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Germination here is done by The Natural Methode for they get sown straight from the jar to the field without pre-germinating. So to some seeds it is beneficial to wait with germinating until for them the time is ready, and to some it is most important to germ asap and take advantage of their frost resistance.
Okay, what most people do wrong with my seeds is that they don't give them enough oxygen if they pre-germinate them or bury them in too warm soil.
Here, they germinate at very low temps, so between 0 and 10 degrees, and at those temps there is still very much oxygen available because there ain't no surplus soil life yet to take that away from them.
So it's not that they are still dormant when they are in a glass of water. They lack oxygen just.
Now try this: Use old fashion, woven, cotton, baby diaper rags for a sprouting medium. That's the best. Next best is cotton band aid,
Cotton T-shirt or cotton make-up removal slabs also goes, but they are not as good as the baby diaper or band aid.
Soak diaper in cold water, and wring it out by hand till the last drop comes out. NOW, most important! Lay the diaper over a dry shower towel, coil it up, and wring it out one more time.
Remove towel, and place seeds inside the diaper.
Now you have the most optimal moist/oxygen content in the diaper to sprout my seeds.
Wrap in plastic and move to 24C suroundment, and most seeds should sprout between 10 and 24 hours, a few retards may still come after between 24 and 48 hours.
To put my cold-accustomed seeds in warm soil that holds tonnes of super active oxygen depriving microbes. or ppl putting them in a glass of water even, ehm, no. They're not going to like that at all.
Oh fuck, I ONLY had issues with that until I ditched the system completely already a long time ago. So I never looked back, and maybe my seeds are now already easy enough that they would also work with the glass of water, but I just never tried it anymore after all those fuck ups with low oxygen situations.
Seeds that sprout with lots of oxygen make a way bigger and whiter pen root than seeds that have gotten low oxygen.
People may wanna look a bit more into that cos it is very crucial to have things go like it should already since day 1.
If day 1 is already fucked, then that will show out later on as well.
______________________________ ______________________________ ______________________________ ______________________________
Here is a bit of an explanation on how it all works.
You d' need to look at the soil conditions here up North, and the way I sow in the plots as dense as possible with shit loads of dry seeds, and as soon as the snow is gone..
In spring, there is like a meter snow that melts away in just one or 2 weeks time.
That water cannot go anywhere at first because of the still frozen underground.
So there is no drain, and the soil is very soggy and cold.
On such conditions, a sprouting seed would be very unlucky and would at best dwarf up, or succumb to root rot.
Only after the under soil becomes complete unfrozen, the surface water will flow away. This coincides with when there are about a steady +10c in day time for a while, while nights may still endure an occasional frost, or hit +5c at best.
It is at this moment that most seeds are going to sprout at approximately the same time.
So as soon as the temperature hits +10c in daytime, and with a bit of sun on it to heat up the upper layer of the soil , and they are not exposed any longer to liquid water surrounding them, that's when seeds in here need to germinate to get the right advantages for having a chance to survive.
When I sow in later in the year, then I always first saturate the plots totally with water before sowing, but then the temps are also already much higher, like 18c. As soon as the water drains away, and because of the already warmer temps, that's when these seeds have the best chance to survive their germination. Roots do need that oxygen to be functional, and to go after the dropping moist zone in the soil.
So yes. I am convinced it has all to do with the right oxygen vs moist levels, and seeds are by their nature not meant to germinate in a bottle cap with liquid water that's deprived of oxygen.
Seeds that would sprout in a puddle of water would be outgrown in a blink of an eye by other seeds that would wait until the water has first drained away, and thus, the impatient ones would have no chance to survive in nature.
Or in other words: A seed that germinates when it is surrounded by liquid water that is not going anywhere anytime soon, does not have a chance to compete or survive in nature.
So it is possible to conclude that my canna seeds are not meant to germinate in liquid water by the nature of their design.
That it is possible to do it in bottle cap of water as well, is a complete different story with an origin coming from an environment like Afghanistan for instance, where seeds need taking advantage of the pretty much only huge thunder spray of water they may be getting in Spring, and would need to last them for pretty much all the rest of their summer.
So yeh, this here is not Afghanistan, and seeds have been acclimated to Northern conditions meanwhile.
______________________________ ______________________________ ______________________________ ______________________________
Germination here is done by The Natural Methode for they get sown straight from the jar to the field without pre-germinating. So to some seeds it is beneficial to wait with germinating until for them the time is ready, and to some it is most important to germ asap and take advantage of their frost resistance.
Okay, what most people do wrong with my seeds is that they don't give them enough oxygen if they pre-germinate them or bury them in too warm soil.
Here, they germinate at very low temps, so between 0 and 10 degrees, and at those temps there is still very much oxygen available because there ain't no surplus soil life yet to take that away from them.
So it's not that they are still dormant when they are in a glass of water. They lack oxygen just.
Now try this: Use old fashion, woven, cotton, baby diaper rags for a sprouting medium. That's the best. Next best is cotton band aid,
Cotton T-shirt or cotton make-up removal slabs also goes, but they are not as good as the baby diaper or band aid.
Soak diaper in cold water, and wring it out by hand till the last drop comes out. NOW, most important! Lay the diaper over a dry shower towel, coil it up, and wring it out one more time.
Remove towel, and place seeds inside the diaper.
Now you have the most optimal moist/oxygen content in the diaper to sprout my seeds.
Wrap in plastic and move to 24C suroundment, and most seeds should sprout between 10 and 24 hours, a few retards may still come after between 24 and 48 hours.
To put my cold-accustomed seeds in warm soil that holds tonnes of super active oxygen depriving microbes. or ppl putting them in a glass of water even, ehm, no. They're not going to like that at all.
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