uk clone only! (and british bred strains)

[englishrick]

plenty of REAL american clone onlys around the uk just need to know the right peeps. you folks have lots of seed suppliers nearby so expect many 'fakes' or wannabe clones before finding the real deal. i know persoally that a friend in the uk has ecsd tw and others alive and well. agan, its all who you know, no matter where you live, be it uk or usa.
grow hard
(even if you dont know the right peeps )

ps- the elite clones floatin around the states (and the flowerpix forum here) are mostly seed selections from commercial seedbank BUT the grower who finds said cut likely went through 100 seeds to find this keeper. if not, he got lucky. key to finding elite genetics. true elite clones, is germinating dozens of seeds of the same at once. like buy 3 packs of mr nice ssh and find the best out of all 30+ seeds. dont just crack 1 or 2 here and there.

hope this helps











hook us up bro...please send some USA cuts our way........im hoping to add some USA cuts to our list soon...please god..

ive been trying to sorce them for ages now....

 

[mellofello]

ethereal - your mate is lucky to have so many fine strains in his garden. I've had a small bit of what I believe was the real TW, by far the nicest thing I've ever smoked!

I don't know any other growers locally and I'm still new to these boards but I hope some day to get my hands on some of these elite cuts.

peace

mello

 

[DocLeaf]

UK Road Atlas




Does anyone know anything about this 'Psychosis' clone ?

Was it named after the late Rave scene...?

Peace, Peace, Peace

 

[BeAn]

a play on the news headlines me thinks, 'psycosis' as in 'i want sum of that skunk they talk about in the daily mail'?

 

[englishrick]

i cant wait to see some good flower pic`s of psycho....

b-axe seems to be givin us a big thumb`s up, on that pick doc....what a pre-leaf..lol

 

[lovelightpower]

just spoke to my mate he was saying the cut has been around since 95',
he knew the people who started it, that it came off originally in london.

he also said there was definitely no cheese in the cross.

 

[englishrick]

so its nothing to do with skunk1

 

[Elevator Man]

What about the theory that 'the blues', etc. are actually a Northern Lights-leaning pheno of Jack Herer? I asked my friend years ago about this and he said not, but he's hardly experienced in strains. I always suspected it myself.

A friend of mine brought some Jack over tonight, and apart from slightly more foxtaily bud traits, again, it smelled in the same aroma 'family' as 'the blues', NL X Big Bud, 'Livers', mystery smelly one, Cheese, etc. etc. My other contact swore blind that the smelly one was a home-made NL X BB, made years before Nirvana made it.

The only Jack Herer I ever grew (only as a mother) was much more sativa and was more spicy, but it did have that same sweet pungent fruity/fuel funk...food for thought anyway.

 

[englishrick]

blues is available everywhere around here.....its like cheese but with more fruit...smells more blue than blueberry ever could..

cheese tastes like blues..but cheese seems to be missing something the blue has

 

[Elevator Man]

Well the '98 DJ Short Blueberrys I'm growing out now smell way more like Blueberries than 'the blues' - like real blueberries. One (the indica pheno) has a fresh fruit, tart, almost paint-like smell, and the other is blueberry candy/muffin, with almost a Parma Violets perfume to it - it's incredible. No idea how they'll turn out, but they're looking pretty good.

I find 'the blues', if it's the same one that you get, makes me really sleepy - at least there's a strain that actually does that to me, as most don't, but it's not what I'd call a winning trait in my book. The ones I'm growing have been tested by a friend of two first, and they were seriously euphoric, and very potent, but not sleepy in any way.

Indica pheno (second pic also with Vanilluna and Oaxacan Gold):



Sativa pheno:

 

[englishrick]

id love to try that "BlueMuffin"....i here dj is a cut above,,,ive never tryed his stuff

yeh ...our blues is sleepy..similar to cheese

light green/blue/......Violet is a good word for the blues colour

 

[Elevator Man]

I think his work is awesome, personally. I'm pretty much reducing my 'library' to DJ Short strains, my own hybrids, and the odd special landrace I can squeeze in to make new hybrids from - again, all leaning in the same direction - generally stimulating rather than sleepy, but with quality of effect, taste and smell as the main criteria...

 

[Guest]

blues is available everywhere around here.....its like cheese but with more fruit...smells more blue than blueberry ever could..

cheese tastes like blues..but cheese seems to be missing something the blue has

I chatted at length about Blues and Cheese with some friends at the weekend and we agreed that Blues is probably either Cheese or a similar skunk type harvested at 45 days, Cheese has a sweet, fruity taste when grown in hydro, fed hard and cut early, so it makes sense that Blues is something skunky grown that way, maybe even skunk #1 itself, in some cases could just be the Cheese cut grown har in hydro and chopped early.

As for smelling more blue than blueberry ever could, have to say, you can't have grown DJ's Blueberry then, the 'blueberry' from Dutch companies like DP and Sagarmatha is pure garbage undeserving of the name, great example of shitty breeding practices fucking up an all-time classic line. That indica pheno BB EM has is a lot better than any Cheese I've smoked, and I've smoked Cheese grown by the very best, the BB has an equally huge smell and taste, but is much nicer in both departments imho and the high is much more cerebral and interesting than Cheese which gets boring, but I could never get bored of the taste and smell of that BB pheno.

As for EM's mystery clone aka 'The Smelly One' I have no idea what it is, but will say this much - it's got a lot of Skunk in it, looks like Skunk a lot in veg and flower, smell is similar in some ways, I could believe it was just a pheno of Skunk #1 to be honest, has a more heavy effect than the Cheese, but I still wouldn't call it an indica, it's an hybrid leaning to the indica side. I reckon it has probably been passed off as Cheese before and one of the fake Cheese cuts (there are said to be four fakes, I have seen 3 myself recently) is probably this same cut, it certainly looks very much like it in flower.

Jack Herer, man, that was a complete clusterfuck when it was released, a cobbled-together 4-way polyhybrid with many, many phenos, some were very hazy went 14 weeks and were similar to things like Nl5/Haze and Neville's Haze, others were very skunky, there were even short, fast indica phenos. It's been further worked and stabilised over the years, but the possible number of different expressions possible from the earlier versions of that line means that trying to identify plants a nightmare.

One thing folks seem to forget about most of the clones we have been passing around in the UK for years - they were pretty much all grown from Dutch seeds, and the Dutch genepool is rather homogenous to say the least - how many strains contain Skunk, NL and Haze for instance? If you went through what was available back in the late 80s and early 90s when most of the UK clones began, it was pretty much many flavours of skunk hybrid, Big Bud, Super Skunk, Pot Of Gold, all skunk hybrids. Personally, I was bored of Skunky plants a good 6-7 years ago at least and would be quite content if I never grew another skunk hybrid ever again. It is high time folks stopped being so lazy and just growing the same old tried and tested clones and started some new seeds, you see a lot of discussion on the forums about the chances of finding special plants from seeds, well, in my experience, and I know a helluva lot of people who agree with me on this - special plants are not at all hard to find from seed, I have found more than a few myself and can think of many examples of other special plants friends have grown from seed. I have had at least a dozen people PM me recently asking for the Cheese cut and I'm inclined to tell them all no and send them some seeds instead.

 

[englishrick]

the reason why cheese is so big now, is because, them old clones an types that you guys are tired of and stoped producing years ago, they are the new generations wonder plants...

i bet a good old whitewidow is awsome compared to most of todays sh1t hybrids

a quick tasty o`haze is allways tip top...

orange bud...garlic bud ...mazar i sharife....NL....good old/unavailable

 

[BeAn]

So far my opinion of the 'Psycosis' cut is that it is a good plant, clones well and is vigourous...looking forward to burning the first joint.



Thanks to the dude who made it possible.

 

[Elevator Man]

Not sure on a lot of this - for one thing 'the blues', 'livers', the smelly one etc., have been here much longer than the Cheese - we were smoking these before we'd even heard of Cheese - that was a comparative late-comer to my neck of the woods. The 'smelly one' was virtually identical to NL X BB when I grew them out, which is also very similar to the blues, but the Cheese has a much more acrid, smelly-feet kind of smell and more foxtaily buds.

Though a friend of mine is now growing Cheese, blues, the smelly one and Chumboldt, and in hydro it's quite difficult to tell them apart, though the Chumboldt still gets the best reviews.

The skunks I've grown were nothing like the above - not even close, in terms of smell and high - very fruity, fluffy and quite stimulating. The only skunk that was around in the old days here was superskunk - the bright green/orange fluoro nuggets that always used to crumble into green powder.

But yeah, I'm much more excited about these new BBs - much more friendly growth structure for one thing, and the smells are incredible.

 

[englishrick]

so you have the blues EM?......what about livers?...and out of all of them,chumboldt is the best!

 

[englishrick]

BB being skunk x afghan.....as long as you get good pheno its bound to be tasty...so many people foget that big bud is made from tasty stuff

a lil of the afghans paint/turp smell......and a lil purple maybe some other stuff from golds used in skunk...defo good stuff

 

[Elevator Man]

I don't grow the blues, no - not my type at all, and much too stinky. The 'smelly one' or 'Mystery Strain' is the version I've always grown, and it's more manageable, and a lot more stimulating. But even that's too much in the place I'm at now, so I put my last one outdoors. Livers as far as I can tell, is a home-made NL X BigBud, or similar.

The Chumboldt (Cheese X Yumboldt) was given to me last year, and is much better than the pure Cheese, IMO - more robust, sweeter flavour, and faster too - 52 and 56 days in soil for me.

 

[englishrick]

I don't grow the blues, no - not my type at all, and much too stinky. The 'smelly one' or 'Mystery Strain' is the version I've always grown, and it's more manageable, and a lot more stimulating. But even that's too much in the place I'm at now, so I put my last one outdoors. Livers as far as I can tell, is a home-made NL X BigBud, or similar.

The Chumboldt (Cheese X Yumboldt) was given to me last year, and is much better than the pure Cheese, IMO - more robust, sweeter flavour, and faster too - 52 and 56 days in soil for me.

wow EM... so you have grown/ have seen blues and livers??

what are the exact differences if you dont mind tellin bro??