uk clone only! (and british bred strains)

[Sam_Skunkman]

WTF??

WTF??

Oldtimer's ES clone, a 30 year old nigerian x skunk cross, it's the best uk sativa clone i've tried, she has lovely old school incensey aroma and great sativa atmosphere. I wish i could grow her here outdoors.

Clones from pre 1978??? Interesting as I only introduced Skunk #1 in 1976, but very few people had it.
I have not seen any 30 year old clones, when I checked up on any that were claimed to be they were all less then 20 years.
Also clones were hard to maintain before Halides and Sodium lights were available in the late 70's.

-SamS

 

[lovelightpower]

thank you Sam_Skunkman i altered my list at start of the thread, until i find out more....

i was only born in 1977, so i take whatever you say happened as gospel.

wanted to say thank you as well, for all the work you have achieved over the years with marijuana, i feel i am reaping the benefits today with many beautiful (and true breeding) strains originating from you.

Respect!

 

[englishrick]

samS on the uk clone thread everyone.........i can hear the crowd now!!

why dont you give us a good clone for our list.....please?....somethin the uk crowd can put next to cheese...we will treasure it for years as we have cheese for around 20 so far...

 

[Guest]

Alot of Cheese, blue cheese and blues up north at the moment (nr Manchester). The blues is rubbish to be honest, great bag appeal and smell but the high is non descript.

If the blues is the same as the supposed blueberrythat's been around for ages, then yes, it is rubbish, definitely not real Blueberry, probably a blueberry x indica cross from holland. I have some Blueberry f3s to some guys who have been growing the 'blueberry' or blues or whatever for ages and they raved about how much better it was when they grew them out.

Sam, I agree about clones, I doubt there are any clones from pre-78, although folks could have been using fluoros to maintain them. Cloning cannabis must have been known about for a long time as it's just a plant and most plants can be cloned, certainly folks had been cloning other plants since time immemorial, but the problem with cannabis is maintaining the vegatative state, which is where the need for artificial lighting comes in. OT1 isn't here to ask about the ES, but I might bump into him on Saturday and I can ask him about it.

 

[Tokermon]

i'm smoking some 'blues' at the moment. got a great menthol berry type of smell, the high is disappointing, edgy and boring.
i've heard several rumours of what it is, first i heard it was skunk, then nl now blueberry crossed with something. i'm sure there are many types of 'blues' anyway. heard of it being crossed with powerplant too!

 

[potty1]

hey potty1 i will add your c99 to the list,
any particular pheno?
and what rough area does the cut circulate?

hi llp,its the much hyped pinapple pheno apparently....time will tell,.
as for where it circulates...well,the world wide postal system is top notch.
my fav cuts bloomed are
g-force(i let this go not realising what i had,in the days before the web)
uk cheese
cherry ak
and to be bloomed soon are select soma nycd and the c99.

i think sensi had to change the name of juicy fruit due to legal rangles over the name.
big up the uk.

 

[Tokermon]

why are people calling non-british strains such as c99 british? thought this thread was about strains bred by people in the UK, not just stuff that's grown here.

 

[lovelightpower]

this thread is for british bred strains (british crosses),
and strains circulating the u.k. which are clone only.
there is no english land race strains or land race hybrids being circulated as far as i know.
all strains have originated from somewhere else....
cheese for example is just skunk#1 which was bred in the u.s.a, then taken to holland and bred some more, before making seeds which someone in the u.k. bought and selected the best to be cheese.
so if c99 is circulating the uk as a clone then so be it.
i even think you cant get c99 seeds at the moment, i have tried.

 

[Tokermon]

hmm ok. all i mean is people seem to be naming every strain they've come across. guess that's okay but doesn't get down to truly british bred strains and represent the talent(if there is any). the americans do it big with their urkels and diesels, what are we doing just passing around well established strains?

 

[Guest]

There's loads of British bred strains, just icmag isn't the place to find the people doing that work.

 

[lovelightpower]

when i say english land race strains or land race hybrids, i mean native actually to this country. there is of course people in this country working with land race strains native to other countries.

such as Ganja Pasha with his Purple Afghan and El Yucateca.

much respect to people making serious crosses with real land race strains!

 

[potty1]

why are people calling non-british strains such as c99 british? thought this thread was about strains bred by people in the UK, not just stuff that's grown here.

the title says uk clone only(and british bred strains)....i'm in the uk,and this c99 cut is clone only.(and is not commercially available)
ALL strains originate from other countries so i'm a bit lost to what your meaning.
for example,
i have an f4 of my own cross.but,the original parents where sour d,and a male i brought back from lanzarote...
its british bred,but not entirely british per say as the parents originate who knows where..
would it be ok to post pics of this?

 

[BeAn]

Post whatever cuts get passed around, or plants from lines of seed made on these shores...otherwise they're wouldnt be that many posts in this thread at all i think...

Lets not be pedantic...(just my two pence)

 

[lovelightpower]

potty1 post whatever you like man, more the better.

i would say you f4 is brit bred without a doubt, if you give me the info i will put it into the list at the start of the thread.

much respect to the potty1, keep on keeping on!

 

[englishrick]

if a man has a plant an he says the plant has british roots....il listen to the man

 

[gamehaze]

them americans sound like they just name a phenotype of a known strain their own name anyway im not sayin all of theirs butif they can pop 100 seeds find a killer pheno then rename it then we surely can or cant we???

 

[englishrick]

i think if you find something wickid its probbly because its got good breeding.....get it while its hot brother because that game is dieng out imo

 

[Blazed_Out]

them americans sound like they just name a phenotype of a known strain their own name anyway im not sayin all of theirs butif they can pop 100 seeds find a killer pheno then rename it then we surely can or cant we???

It's not like everyone apart from serious breeders are using landraces for their breeding projects. Most of the strains (mostly all hybrids) available now were from known seed strains like Skunk #1, NL and Haze but chosed for specific phenotypic expression.
So if someone had a clone only strain called 'White Ghost' and the genetic makeup was known to be White Widow x Haze... you would not just simply cross a WW to any Haze, you would need to get the exact same parents to replicate it. But even so, you would end up with a similar plant but not the exact same 'White Ghost' clone.
My opinion is that anything grown from seed of a known strain would always differ to another with the same seeds.

Now my question is this.
If you got seeds from someone who created a hybrid for testing, but only 1 out of 10 seeds survive and it is a female, and now the breeder doesn't have them anymore for certain reasons but maybe a few other testers around the world might. Would it be classified as a clone only?

I've been following this thread for a bit and I didn't know there was this many clones in UK. I know about the Cheese (still haven't grown or smoked it) and heard about the Blues and that's about it.

 

[englishrick]

forget the word strain....every plant is different...

what your seeing is unique phenos arise from batches of seeds...then breeders atempt to put them in seed form....but it is very hard to give people a stable hybrid ...from a complex hybrid

if the breeder was making f1 seeds you are more likely to find that pheno again ......when the mother is a complex hybrid with no source of males makin a good f1 is hard...

making f2`s/incrossing your fave seed type to find a pheno you have seen from that particular seed type or there parents before is a very good idea.....if we had males through inbreeding the pheno, it would not be clone only

 

[ethereal]

plenty of REAL american clone onlys around the uk just need to know the right peeps. you folks have lots of seed suppliers nearby so expect many 'fakes' or wannabe clones before finding the real deal. i know persoally that a friend in the uk has ecsd tw and others alive and well. agan, its all who you know, no matter where you live, be it uk or usa.
grow hard
(even if you dont know the right peeps )

ps- the elite clones floatin around the states (and the flowerpix forum here) are mostly seed selections from commercial seedbank BUT the grower who finds said cut likely went through 100 seeds to find this keeper. if not, he got lucky. key to finding elite genetics. true elite clones, is germinating dozens of seeds of the same at once. like buy 3 packs of mr nice ssh and find the best out of all 30+ seeds. dont just crack 1 or 2 here and there.

hope this helps