U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

[idiit]

the only power in america powerful enogh to take on the cabal's choke hold on msm, politicians, judges, financial system et al is the us military. contrary to what msm would have the public believe the overwhelming number of past and present military members are true patriots and there is a massive organized movement by the loosely aligned "white knights" to bring america and the world back to "governed by the people".

^ part of my post# 679 on this thread.

The Military Takes Over Canadian Department of Justice plus RCMP

07/17/2013

http://www.waterwarcrimes.com/4/pos...canadian-department-of-justice-plus-rcmp.html

remember two points:

!). this shit is global.

2). the only terra based power big enough to take on the dark cabal is the military.

nsa is part of the dark cabal. they are not "for the people, by the people".

 

[idiit]

Louie Gohmert: NSA Program is Like Busting Pot Smokers by Tracking Stolen Potato Chips - See more at: http://xrepublic.tv/node/4573#sthash.ZY2RbIVu.dpuf

http://xrepublic.tv/node/4573

^ us house rep. on c-span

 

[Jericho Mile]

^ part of my post# 679 on this thread.



http://www.waterwarcrimes.com/4/pos...canadian-department-of-justice-plus-rcmp.html

remember two points:

!). this shit is global.

2). the only terra based power big enough to take on the dark cabal is the military.

nsa is part of the dark cabal. they are not "for the people, by the people".

The US military is not a patriotic force. Why do you think...for a second..that they are? Knights in shining armor..they are not... they serve the exact same entities who perpetuate this shit. Always have.

You folks seem so patriotic....but what have you really done...for your country? You all even serve in military(savior)..anything like that? Have experience laying your lives on the line? My gut feeling..says no.

Myself...I'm not a patriot. I'm not doing a damn thing for the country...besides paying taxes. In the end...paying taxes..is all it's ever about.

 

[headband 707]

incredible, it seems no price is too high to catch a terrorist. specially when you consider the latest definition of a terrorist from the fedgov. its all self perpetuating, the more they see into the minds of the people, the more they fear the people so the more intrusive they will continue to become.

They say and I'm quoting here "Never let a good disaster go to waste" Our Gov has figured us out and if they "stage" an attack they can do anything and they have! 9/11 was done by the US Gov there are far too much evidence that points to them. Thermite is that evidence these were controlled demolitions. The USA started this war and fucked up the whole world doing it .. The white house which should have had camera's pointing everywhere outside.. Don't have ONE pic of this plane hitting it lol... Wow ,,they won't release these pictures? WHY the hell not? Cause there wasn't any plane....headband 707

 

[headband 707]

This shit everyone should be asking questions about!

This shit everyone should be asking questions about!

^ part of my post# 679 on this thread.



http://www.waterwarcrimes.com/4/pos...canadian-department-of-justice-plus-rcmp.html

remember two points:

!). this shit is global.

2). the only terra based power big enough to take on the dark cabal is the military.

nsa is part of the dark cabal. they are not "for the people, by the people".

http://waterwarcrimes.blogspot.ca/


Ten crooked judges who found against them were exposed and suddenly died. Four Chief Justices who manipulated the system against them were exposed and resigned. Politicians, lawyers and civil servants who abused their positions of power were exposed, resigned or, suddenly, dropped dead. The death toll now stands at thirty one and is likely to rise before their fight for justice is over.

 

[BudToaster]

this thread does not brighten my day.

i'm convinced more than ever that free electricity is the only way to fight back. energy is a $4.8 T annual business in USA. second only to consumer spending.

 

[mexcurandero420]

“Its Legal”: US Congress Gives “Green Light” to Domestic Spying

U.S. a Lawless State-Paul Craig Roberts


Justice minstry internet taps up five fold in one year

Keep on growing

 

[bentom187]

Ben Swann's Truth in Media Launch is TONIGHT

http://benswann.com/ben-swann-live-events/
The event will run from 7:00PM EDT until 10:00PM EDT

 

[frito bandito]

this thread does not brighten my day.

i'm convinced more than ever that free electricity is the only way to fight back. energy is a $4.8 T annual business in USA. second only to consumer spending.

We are on the same wavelength....I just recently told the power company to go fuck themselves, after their billing system screwed up and resulted in my bill being late and a large payment needed to keep the power on. So they shut it off and I am running on one 68W solar panel + car battery for now. Bout to install a slow speed diesel generator and make my own goddamn power. I want to be 100% ready for the coming apocalypse. When 95% of cannabis growers are out of business due to power rationing/failure then I will still be going full steam ahead with a 90+ day fuel supply stored up.

 

[frito bandito]

This is in reply to the guy who talked about doing nothing but paying taxes. You are empowering the very people who keep us oppressed. That's why I have come to the realization that in order to fix this country, we have to start by NOT supporting the system. Stop paying these assholes, and they won't be able to spend their days eating caviar and playing golf.


"Poor, wretched, and stupid peoples, nations determined on your own misfortune and blind to your own good! You let yourselves be deprived before your own eyes of the best part of your revenues; your fields are plundered, your homes robbed, your family heirlooms taken away. You live in such a way that you cannot claim a single thing as your own; and it would seem that you consider yourselves lucky to be loaned your property, your families, and your very lives. All this havoc, this misfortune, this ruin, descends upon you not from alien foes, but from the one enemy whom you yourselves render as powerful as he is, for whom you go bravely to war, for whose greatness you do not refuse to offer your own bodies unto death. He who thus domineers over you has only two eyes, only two hands, only one body, no more than is possessed by the least man among the infinite numbers dwelling in your cities; he has indeed nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you.

Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own? How does he have any power over you except through you? How would he dare assail you if he had no cooperation from you? What could he do to you if you yourselves did not connive with the thief who plunders you, if you were not accomplices of the murderer who kills you, if you were not traitors to yourselves? You sow your crops in order that he may ravage them, you install and furnish your homes to give him goods to pillage; you rear your daughters that he may gratify his lust; you bring up your children in order that he may confer upon them the greatest privilege he knows — to be led into his battles, to be delivered to butchery, to be made the servants of his greed and the instruments of his vengeance; you yield your bodies unto hard labor in order that he may indulge in his delights and wallow in his filthy pleasures; you weaken yourselves in order to make him the stronger and the mightier to hold you in check.

From all these indignities, such as the very beasts of the field would not endure, you can deliver yourselves if you try, not by taking action, but merely by willing to be free. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces."

-- Etienne de la Boetie, 1548

 

[idiit]

This is in reply to the guy who talked about doing nothing but paying taxes. You are empowering the very people who keep us oppressed. That's why I have come to the realization that in order to fix this country, we have to start by NOT supporting the system. Stop paying these assholes, and they won't be able to spend their days eating caviar and playing golf.

^ irs and federal reserve were both established 1913 (same time). both are totally illegal. most of our tax dollars go to dark cabal ( nsa's puppet masters).

- Brotherhood of The Bell​

- Extraterrestrial Technology, the Black Budget, and International Politics​

- Funding Covert Government Projects - The Masters of Magic​

- In Search of the Pentagon's Billion Dollar Hidden Budgets​

- Philadelphia-Montauk / Black Projects - Main File​

- Some Thoughts on Keeping It Secret​

- The Black Budget Report - An Investigation Into the CIA's 'Black Budget' and The Second Manhattan Project​

- The Missing Forty Trillion Dollars - Underground Infrastructure ​

- The Octopus, Black Projects and the Dulce Facility​

- Trillions of Dollars "Lost" by US Politicians-Bureaucrats?​

- USAPs - Unacknowledged Special Access Programs​

- What's Up With the Black Budget? - The $64 Question​

Additional Information

- Obama’s Black Budget And Federal Deficit Problems​

- Silent Sound - Control and Manipulation Through 'Non-Lethal Weapons' - Main File​

- The Federal Reserve Bank (FED) - Main File​

Multimedia

- 1 Day Before 911 WTC Attack! - DO you know what happened? - WATCH​

on fiat currency, they just go to the fiat$ computer and hit "print". dialog box opens up and asks " how many trillion?".

the federal government of usa has recently "lost" around 12.4 4trillion.

we are being sucked dry by a nazi/luciferian mosquito to enslave ourselves ( irs, fiat currency, nsa, ...).

go ahead and click the image below for a real eye-opener.

 

[Jericho Mile]

This is in reply to the guy who talked about doing nothing but paying taxes. You are empowering the very people who keep us oppressed. That's why I have come to the realization that in order to fix this country, we have to start by NOT supporting the system. Stop paying these assholes, and they won't be able to spend their days eating caviar and playing golf.


"Poor, wretched, and stupid peoples, nations determined on your own misfortune and blind to your own good! You let yourselves be deprived before your own eyes of the best part of your revenues; your fields are plundered, your homes robbed, your family heirlooms taken away. You live in such a way that you cannot claim a single thing as your own; and it would seem that you consider yourselves lucky to be loaned your property, your families, and your very lives. All this havoc, this misfortune, this ruin, descends upon you not from alien foes, but from the one enemy whom you yourselves render as powerful as he is, for whom you go bravely to war, for whose greatness you do not refuse to offer your own bodies unto death. He who thus domineers over you has only two eyes, only two hands, only one body, no more than is possessed by the least man among the infinite numbers dwelling in your cities; he has indeed nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you.

Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own? How does he have any power over you except through you? How would he dare assail you if he had no cooperation from you? What could he do to you if you yourselves did not connive with the thief who plunders you, if you were not accomplices of the murderer who kills you, if you were not traitors to yourselves? You sow your crops in order that he may ravage them, you install and furnish your homes to give him goods to pillage; you rear your daughters that he may gratify his lust; you bring up your children in order that he may confer upon them the greatest privilege he knows — to be led into his battles, to be delivered to butchery, to be made the servants of his greed and the instruments of his vengeance; you yield your bodies unto hard labor in order that he may indulge in his delights and wallow in his filthy pleasures; you weaken yourselves in order to make him the stronger and the mightier to hold you in check.

From all these indignities, such as the very beasts of the field would not endure, you can deliver yourselves if you try, not by taking action, but merely by willing to be free. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces."

-- Etienne de la Boetie, 1548

In all honesty...I don't feel oppressed. I live well. There is nothing wrong with living well...or not feeling oppressed. I don't live under my bed...and I don't wont for anything.

I've worked hard to reach this spot...forgive me...if I enjoy my pursuit of happiness. Happiness is the final goal...correct?

 

[idiit]

I've worked hard to reach this spot...forgive me...if I enjoy my pursuit of happiness. Happiness is the final goal...correct?

maybe a happy balance between "service to self" and "service to others".

 

[Jericho Mile]

maybe a happy balance between "service to self" and "service to others".

4yrs as a grunt in the Corps...10+ more fighting wild land fire for the Forest Service...enough for you?

I'm not a collectivist bro. I do what I can to stay out of the procession..out of consumerism...but I'm not giving up my happiness...because others...can't find it. No offense. Life is short...make the best of it.

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

Ahh, have to love legalized bribery to violate the 4th amendment. If you have money, even the constitution is no barrier.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/money-nsa-vote/

WIRED

The numbers tell the story — in votes and dollars. On Wednesday, the house voted 217 to 205 not to rein in the NSA’s phone-spying dragnet. It turns out that those 217 “no” voters received twice as much campaign financing from the defense and intelligence industry as the 205 “yes” voters.

That’s the upshot of a new analysis by MapLight, a Berkeley-based non-profit that performed the inquiry at WIRED’s request. The investigation shows that defense cash was a better predictor of a member’s vote on the Amash amendment than party affiliation. House members who voted to continue the massive phone-call-metadata spy program, on average, raked in 122 percent more money from defense contractors than those who voted Wednesday to dismantle it.

Overall, political action committees and employees from defense and intelligence firms such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, United Technologies, Honeywell International, and others ponied up $12.97 million in donations for a two-year period ending December 31, 2012, according to the analysis, which MapLight performed with financing data from OpenSecrets. Lawmakers who voted to continue the NSA dragnet-surveillance program averaged $41,635 from the pot, whereas House members who voted to repeal authority averaged $18,765.

Of the top 10 money getters, only one House member — Rep. Jim Moran (D-Virginia) — voted to end the program.

“How can we trust legislators to vote in the public interest when they are dependent on industry campaign funding to get elected? Our broken money and politics system forces lawmakers into a conflict of interest between lawmakers’ voters and their donors,” said Daniel G. Newman, MapLight’s president and co-founder.

The Guardian newspaper disclosed the phone-metadata spying last month with documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

The House voted 205-217 Wednesday and defeated an amendment to the roughly $600 billion Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2014 that would have ended authority for the once-secret spy program the White House insisted was necessary to protect national security.

The amendment (.pdf) was proposed by Rep. Justin Amash (R-Michigan), who received a fraction of the money from the defense industry compared to top earners. For example, Amash got $1,400 — ranking him in the bottom 50 for the two-year period. On the flip side, Rep. Howard McKeon (R-California) scored $526,600 to lead the House in defense contributions. He voted against Amash.

Of the 26 House members who voted and did not receive any defense financing, 16 voted for the Amash amendment.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) voted against the measure. He ranked 15th in defense earnings with a $131,000 take. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-California) also voted against Amash. Pelosi took in $47,000 from defense firms over the two-year period.

Ninety-four Republicans voted for the amendment as did 111 Democrats.

The Amash amendment was in response to the disclosure of a leaked copy of a top-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court opinion requiring Verizon Business to provide the National Security Agency the phone numbers of both parties involved in all calls, the international mobile subscriber identity (IMSI) number for mobile callers, calling card numbers used in the call, and the time and duration of the calls.

The government confirmed the authenticity of the leak and last week suggested many more, or “certain telecommunication service providers” are required to fork over the same type of metadata. The government says it needs all the data to sift out terrorist needles in a haystack. The program began shortly after the 2001 terror attacks.

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

Well, they promised they wouldn't torture him. That's good enough for me, a promise is a promise, right? And Eric Holder is trustworthy. It's not like he's ever lied before, so we don't have any reason to doubt him.

GUARDIAN

US says Snowden will not face death penalty

Attorney General writes to his Russian counterpart promising protections for NSA whistleblower if Russia hands him over.

US whistleblower Edward Snowden would not face the death penalty or be tortured and would have all the protections of the US civilian court system if he were sent home, the chief US prosecutor wrote in a letter to his Russian counterpart, according to Reuters news agency.

In the letter dated July 23 and released on Friday, the US Attorney General Eric Holder wrote to the Russian Justice Minister Alexander Konovalov that he sought to dispel claims about what would happen to the former US security contractor Snowden if Russia handed him over to face charges of illegally disclosing government secrets about surveillance programmes.

Snowden, 30, has been stuck at a Moscow airport for more than a month while he searches for a country that will grant him asylum and avoid the criminal charges.

Russia has refused to hand over Snowden, who leaked details of secret US electronic surveillance programmes to British and US media, to the United States, and is considering a temporary asylum request.

"We believe that these assurances eliminate these asserted grounds for Mr. Snowden's claim that he should be treated as a refugee or granted asylum, temporary or otherwise," Holder wrote in the two-page letter.

Holder, the head of the US Justice Department and an appointee of President Barack Obama, also promised that Snowden could have a lawyer with him for any questioning.

Snowden's supporters have worried he could face the same fate as Private First Class Bradley Manning, the US soldier accused of providing documents to WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy group. Upon his arrest, Manning was placed in solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day with guards checking on him every few minutes.

"Torture is unlawful in the United States," Holder wrote, without explicit reference to Manning. "If he returns to the United States, Mr. Snowden would promptly be brought before a civilian court."

Russia-US ties

Meanwhile, Kremlin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said on Friday that the Russian President Vladimir Putin had expressed "strong determination" not to let ties with Washington suffer over the dispute, "no matter how the situation develops".

Peskov said Putin was not involved in talks over the fate of Snowden. But he reiterated Moscow's stance that Russia "did not hand over, does not hand over and will not hand over anybody".

He added that Russia's federal security service FSB and its US counterpart, the FBI were in talks over the matter.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

Well, they promised they wouldn't torture him. That's good enough for me, a promise is a promise, right? And Eric Holder is trustworthy. It's not like he's ever lied before, so we don't have any reason to doubt him.

GUARDIAN

US says Snowden will not face death penalty

Attorney General writes to his Russian counterpart promising protections for NSA whistleblower if Russia hands him over.

US whistleblower Edward Snowden would not face the death penalty or be tortured and would have all the protections of the US civilian court system if he were sent home, the chief US prosecutor wrote in a letter to his Russian counterpart, according to Reuters news agency.

In the letter dated July 23 and released on Friday, the US Attorney General Eric Holder wrote to the Russian Justice Minister Alexander Konovalov that he sought to dispel claims about what would happen to the former US security contractor Snowden if Russia handed him over to face charges of illegally disclosing government secrets about surveillance programmes.

Snowden, 30, has been stuck at a Moscow airport for more than a month while he searches for a country that will grant him asylum and avoid the criminal charges.

Russia has refused to hand over Snowden, who leaked details of secret US electronic surveillance programmes to British and US media, to the United States, and is considering a temporary asylum request.

"We believe that these assurances eliminate these asserted grounds for Mr. Snowden's claim that he should be treated as a refugee or granted asylum, temporary or otherwise," Holder wrote in the two-page letter.

Holder, the head of the US Justice Department and an appointee of President Barack Obama, also promised that Snowden could have a lawyer with him for any questioning.

Snowden's supporters have worried he could face the same fate as Private First Class Bradley Manning, the US soldier accused of providing documents to WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy group. Upon his arrest, Manning was placed in solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day with guards checking on him every few minutes.

"Torture is unlawful in the United States," Holder wrote, without explicit reference to Manning. "If he returns to the United States, Mr. Snowden would promptly be brought before a civilian court."

Russia-US ties

Meanwhile, Kremlin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said on Friday that the Russian President Vladimir Putin had expressed "strong determination" not to let ties with Washington suffer over the dispute, "no matter how the situation develops".

Peskov said Putin was not involved in talks over the fate of Snowden. But he reiterated Moscow's stance that Russia "did not hand over, does not hand over and will not hand over anybody".

He added that Russia's federal security service FSB and its US counterpart, the FBI were in talks over the matter.

That doesn't stop them from adding a count for every A4 page worth of data, and giving him a 500 year sentence.
Putin will not give Snowden up IMO, unless Obomba offers Victor Bout in exchange.

 

[gaiusmarius]

taking away his freedom for more then 1 year is cruel and unusual punishment, specially as they have not shown any proof of actual harm caused by the leaks. on the contrary he has a very valid argument in the constitution for doing what he did. no matter how much they say it was lawful, any jackass can read the 4th and know that it's being broken by this. so that means he should get full whistle blower protection.

basically he only has to point to Bradley Manning to prove that he will be mistreated and persecuted in the US. looks like Russia is planning to stay strong despite threats of sanctions. but it also seems something is holding things up. he is still waiting for some paper work.

 

[Hydrosun]

Valid argument or not, if handed over to the US Government he will be tortured.

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

The rest of the civilized world views extended solitary confinement as torture.