there have been more male reported I just took it farther and made some seeds with one..
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TWO S1 LINE PRODUCES MALES
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Or others have used males like this unaware what they had...
we are looking at this different ways for sure.
But in this case in particular, your talking about in inbred line from one parent. In the most basic sense it seems like in this case it may be a particular gene/trait in the katsu
line. With the outlined breeding scheme its the reasonable answer that its nature taking its course and restoring normal sexual ratios.
So much for "fem" seeds being frankenbeans.
But in this case in particular, your talking about in inbred line from one parent. In the most basic sense it seems like in this case it may be a particular gene/trait in the katsu
line. With the outlined breeding scheme its the reasonable answer that its nature taking its course and restoring normal sexual ratios.
So much for "fem" seeds being frankenbeans.
im pregant and I cant get up
same pic 10 days later
grayskull1
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ok first off everything you guys are saying is wrong.
KATSU BUBBA was not made by ORGNKID....it was made by a member of OVERGROW named KATSU....ORGNKID came out with XXX OG,GHOST OG.
KATSU BUBBA was not made by ORGNKID....it was made by a member of OVERGROW named KATSU....ORGNKID came out with XXX OG,GHOST OG.
I remember reading an article by DJ Short that stated that sometimes a male plant that showed a few pistils as appose to a regular hermi (female showing male parts) was great for breeding as it showed a marked number of females being produced. So it seems this has been noticed long ago, but not fully understood. Just thought I would mention this as It came to mind while reading this thread.
Thank you hammerhead for doing this experiment and I am eager to find out what comes of this.
TGT
Thank you hammerhead for doing this experiment and I am eager to find out what comes of this.
TGT
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MrSterling
Incredible thread! What can be expected from these PP x PP seeds? Is a level of uniformity expected from breeding S1s together or is HH likely to see a diverging of the PP line?
Atlantic Allele
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You guys will have to wait until the fall. I dont grow on the summer TO HOT 
I think there has been at least 3 males found in this line..
I think there has been at least 3 males found in this line..
this needs a bump
Hey Howzit,
True breeding lines (females/males) = plants that do not segregate (much) upon breeding - ie, inbred lines. Skunk 1 (is Cheese I hear), Northern lights, Blueberry, many OG's, Bubba's, many lines from Mexico, Thailand, Afghanistan, etc etc,,,, any line that has not been crossed out to another divergent line in several generations will breed true for a majority of notable traits. I have heard other breeders cite the term "true breeding" plants to seemingly refer to something else (often male female reproduction) but I can't wrap my head around that because it is an abuse of nomenclature imo.
Conversely, the term "true females" has been used by Sam Skunkman to refer to a plant that apparently does not reverse. I feel that nobody has met that plant because all things have not been tried. I refer to these plants as strongly female, for this is how we refer to them in other species when they behave in the same manner under the same circumstances - cucurbits for example.
"True breeding" females absolutely can be and are reversed, however highly inbred individuals may often suffer other reproduction problems as well - unrelated and inherited separately from that which is caused by the action of the reversal itself. Any number of things such as sterile pollen may get in the way of reproduction, but this should not be confused nor does it seem to necessarily be associated with with whether or not a particular plant can be reversed, in my understanding.
True breeding lines (females/males) = plants that do not segregate (much) upon breeding - ie, inbred lines. Skunk 1 (is Cheese I hear), Northern lights, Blueberry, many OG's, Bubba's, many lines from Mexico, Thailand, Afghanistan, etc etc,,,, any line that has not been crossed out to another divergent line in several generations will breed true for a majority of notable traits. I have heard other breeders cite the term "true breeding" plants to seemingly refer to something else (often male female reproduction) but I can't wrap my head around that because it is an abuse of nomenclature imo.
Conversely, the term "true females" has been used by Sam Skunkman to refer to a plant that apparently does not reverse. I feel that nobody has met that plant because all things have not been tried. I refer to these plants as strongly female, for this is how we refer to them in other species when they behave in the same manner under the same circumstances - cucurbits for example.
"True breeding" females absolutely can be and are reversed, however highly inbred individuals may often suffer other reproduction problems as well - unrelated and inherited separately from that which is caused by the action of the reversal itself. Any number of things such as sterile pollen may get in the way of reproduction, but this should not be confused nor does it seem to necessarily be associated with with whether or not a particular plant can be reversed, in my understanding.
MiMedicineMan
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I read once about feminized seeds ( i think in the greg green breeding book and it was a while ago so please correct me if im wrong) that they use a xxx female or thats what they called it. Something about having an extra x chromosome making it not possible /to revert back to male. They said something like 1/1000 would be like this. They found them by flowering a large number of like plants and then halfway through flowering they messed with the light cycle to induce hermaphrodites. Only 1 plant would resist and keep flowering as no messing with the light cycle had occured. This is the one they take to do the cross.
Does this have anything to do with what you are talking about TomHill?
Further are there yyy males or it's different because a male can't turn into a female? or can it? I have never heard of this
Does this have anything to do with what you are talking about TomHill?
Further are there yyy males or it's different because a male can't turn into a female? or can it? I have never heard of this
Not really the whole xxx thing speaks to it all boiling down to sex chromosomes, or pseudoautosomal regions. Cannabis doesn't have 1.5+ sex chromosomes. Conversely, I believe quantitative traits controlled via autosomes such as resistance to various stressors play a large roll in the outcome. If that extra x is meant to denote the penetrance of all autosomal genes controlling sexual expression, then it should have some extra denotation there like x to y degree, for they are not all equal. There is no magical point where this becomes a "true" female, can be called xxx, or etc, it is all to be measured on a curve. Strongly female, weakly female, and everything in between. If we are to accept this hypothesis, then "never breed to a hermie" and such comments should be taken with a huge grain of salt. For attempting to breed for quantitative traits with your eyes alone (phenotypic evaluation), according to current knowledge, is foolhardy.
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There maybe a combining of small pieces of info here Tom. I'm thinking that he's refering to sexual expression in pentaploid v tetraploid examples. Where an xxxxy is female but an xxxy is male perhaps? Though frankly I thought that was far more common in wild hemp than our plant. And stress testing females to see which has the greatest resistance to the (and this is where we differ) either the Y or the healthiest x or the most resistant autosome depending on your point of view. I've always felt that its 9 interchangeables and 1 sex chromosome. Though with all the info being held in the 9 inters and simply the on off switch being located in the sex chromosome.
MiMedicineMan
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I appreciate the knowledge elder magi. I have yet to undertake my own intentional breeding experiment im trying to get my head around at least some of it first. It's so much more in depth than growing its like learning how to ride a bike all over again
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