What´s the point??
Kaiki did release "regular" PP seeds...
I think I was one of the first to smoke his first Peyotitos
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TWO S1 LINE PRODUCES MALES
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What´s the point??
Kaiki did release "regular" PP seeds...
I think I was one of the first to smoke his first Peyotitos
?? what or whom are you speaking to.. We all know that PP is a S1 line?? nobody is fooling anyone here.. Im still going to do my test like I originally planed. Im just going to do more of them...
Raco this is the first im Herring there where regular PP seeds produced. If that is true then maybe I got some of those seeds mixed. If there where regular seeds what male was used?? As far as I know there is no Male Bubba..
Raco this is the first im Herring there where regular PP seeds produced. If that is true then maybe I got some of those seeds mixed. If there where regular seeds what male was used?? As far as I know there is no Male Bubba..
I spoke to him about that. He said he released the seeds as regular knowing they where
s1 seeds. He did that because of these highly staminate intersex females we are getting.. Kaiki if thats not correct please let me know
s1 seeds. He did that because of these highly staminate intersex females we are getting.. Kaiki if thats not correct please let me know
autosfordummies
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last yr i used a what looked like to me a male in a dc x c99 for f2. was all male parts until like day 45ish of flower then i started to notice a few pistils here and there.
well im growing some of those f2 as we speak and what ive got so far out of ten seeds 8 females around 30days flower 1 full on hermie ( pistils comeing out of male sacks) and what looks to be a full on male with no pistils so far also 30 days flower.
im gonna agree with tom and say its a hermie that most throw away before seeing any hairs.
well im growing some of those f2 as we speak and what ive got so far out of ten seeds 8 females around 30days flower 1 full on hermie ( pistils comeing out of male sacks) and what looks to be a full on male with no pistils so far also 30 days flower.
im gonna agree with tom and say its a hermie that most throw away before seeing any hairs.
here is a pic
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charlie garcia
again all data: Seeds are S1, female x same female with sts.
As test, later was given little pollen from a male and dusted female from S1 offspring both (Fn+1 x Fn+1) Rejected due phenotypes reasons in first instances. Didnt go further. Small numbers not enough to see much more about sex. Had mostly females, remember 1 little nanner found too. Its due my observance some fem seeds may give males or hermis, its stadistical when so many numbers if you grow, read and talk to people. It seems too many variables seem to affect sex of cannabis not only pure females used. In Peyote case we may obtain good looking males, not hermis although for sure a few may show but its been 2 years I think and not really high stadistical incidences at all, we talk about plants which look like and behave in its cycle like good males most of the times and show in this offspring in very low numbers, maybe 5% males in Peyote Purple. Thats reason for calling them regular seeds, not fem+hermi seeds
HH let male go whole cycle, dont cull him early but observe him until he naturally dies, thx. Wish behaves like most we have seen
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kaiki
As test, later was given little pollen from a male and dusted female from S1 offspring both (Fn+1 x Fn+1) Rejected due phenotypes reasons in first instances. Didnt go further. Small numbers not enough to see much more about sex. Had mostly females, remember 1 little nanner found too. Its due my observance some fem seeds may give males or hermis, its stadistical when so many numbers if you grow, read and talk to people. It seems too many variables seem to affect sex of cannabis not only pure females used. In Peyote case we may obtain good looking males, not hermis although for sure a few may show but its been 2 years I think and not really high stadistical incidences at all, we talk about plants which look like and behave in its cycle like good males most of the times and show in this offspring in very low numbers, maybe 5% males in Peyote Purple. Thats reason for calling them regular seeds, not fem+hermi seeds
HH let male go whole cycle, dont cull him early but observe him until he naturally dies, thx. Wish behaves like most we have seen
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kaiki
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Thanks Kaiki This is all great info...I will be collecting Pollen for "him" untill he dies...
"As test, later was given little pollen from a male and dusted female from S1 offspring both (Fn+1 x Fn+1) Rejected due phenotypes reasons in first instances. Didnt go further. Small numbers not enough to see much more about sex. Had mostly females, remember 1 little nanner found too."
This seems about right, as well as Autosfordummies experience. As Mofeta pointed out, we do seem to see the occasional glimpse of evidence pointing in this direction.
I surely hope nobody is misinterpreting this thinking we are singling out Charlie or this particular line. I would venture to say that the vast majority of lines -gynoecious or not- have this ability. In fact, Charlie is the only person I've seen that has attempted to be honest about it, and for that my hats off to him -Respect.
What we seem to have elsewhere currently is growers with a neophyte understanding of genetics at best blaming breeders, or even the act of gynoecious selection itself. Or breeders with that same understanding blaming the grower. Both groups would do better to blame statistical mathematics, imo, it is only a matter of time/numbers before modifier genes recombine into sequences which allow this to occur. -Tom
This seems about right, as well as Autosfordummies experience. As Mofeta pointed out, we do seem to see the occasional glimpse of evidence pointing in this direction.
I surely hope nobody is misinterpreting this thinking we are singling out Charlie or this particular line. I would venture to say that the vast majority of lines -gynoecious or not- have this ability. In fact, Charlie is the only person I've seen that has attempted to be honest about it, and for that my hats off to him -Respect.
What we seem to have elsewhere currently is growers with a neophyte understanding of genetics at best blaming breeders, or even the act of gynoecious selection itself. Or breeders with that same understanding blaming the grower. Both groups would do better to blame statistical mathematics, imo, it is only a matter of time/numbers before modifier genes recombine into sequences which allow this to occur. -Tom
I will be doing some 1:1 as well. These will be the fisrt to test. I think this should tell me if this Plant is a male(I dont think it is) or not....
autosfordummies
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even from the original breeder pack from cannacopias dc x c99 i got 6 females 2 females that hermed around day 40 and then 2 what looked to be males until later in flower, tossed one and used the other for the f2s. so im assuming cannas dc male also throws pistils later in flower aswell.
im gonna be using the one so far male looking plant from the f2s to knock up a few lower branches from each of the 8 female f2s just to see what happens. if they dont start throwin nanners around the 40 45 day mark.
im gonna be using the one so far male looking plant from the f2s to knock up a few lower branches from each of the 8 female f2s just to see what happens. if they dont start throwin nanners around the 40 45 day mark.
I started pollinating tonight. I got allot more to do. Im doing it with my fingers Buds are still small will wait for them to get a bit bigger and continue.
Buds are still small will wait for them to get a bit bigger and continue.
The PP male is Dropping pollen no visible signs of pistils..... I have a lot of batches to do. What size should the buds be ???does it matter ??
Also how long is Pollen viable. Should I store it in the refer???
Also how long is Pollen viable. Should I store it in the refer???
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i've pollinated plants in the first few weeks..don't think size matters much really...more of a timing thing...like pollinating a 14wk ssh you would hit it about week 5-7...idk know how anyone else stores pollen but i use a baby food jar in the fridge...hope this helps ya..
Hammer, I usually pollinate plants that finish typically at 65-75 days at the 25-30 day mark. About half way, basically. They (seeds) need 30 days, give or take, to finish properly so working out from that should give you a solid time frame.
As for storing, I cut it with wheat flour and recently, props to Chimera for this, have begun filling up individual packets of aluminum foil with pollen and storing the packets in a film canister or a clean Rx bottle with rice. Toss it in the freezer and it should last for a few months at least.
The packets are ideal if you're not planning on using all the pollen at once, particularly because if it thaws out you'll have to use it or lose it, IME.
As for storing, I cut it with wheat flour and recently, props to Chimera for this, have begun filling up individual packets of aluminum foil with pollen and storing the packets in a film canister or a clean Rx bottle with rice. Toss it in the freezer and it should last for a few months at least.
The packets are ideal if you're not planning on using all the pollen at once, particularly because if it thaws out you'll have to use it or lose it, IME.
after the buds are pollinated do they stop growing and put forth all energy to grow the seeds. buds are very small like 5-10 pistils per top bud.?? I already pollinated some branches.
Thats what I was thinking 30 days into flower I will do the rest...
Thats what I was thinking 30 days into flower I will do the rest...
hey ras, what's the purpose of wheat flower? 4 weeks to make seeds that;s about right..HH, the buds will continue to grow..also, the bigger the buds the more seeds it will make..you can hit a bud several times for max seed production..
p.s i use a small paintbrush to pollinate..it works very well..
p.s i use a small paintbrush to pollinate..it works very well..
this is a one time shot deal here. Im only going to use the pollen for the first tests. I will keep them alive until I get the results form the first test seeds. Long term project here ... Still waiting for the PP to drop enough pollen..
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