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Trump cancels summit with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un

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vta

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A new little tidbit released today that had heretofore been redacted -

"One example cited in the new report is an exchange of texts between Strzok and Page on Aug. 8, 2016. Page questioned whether Trump would become president. Strzok replied: “No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.”"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...bi-procedures-in-clinton-probe-watchdog-finds

One hour to go until the report is released to the public. Here is another leak...

'Foreign actors' accessed Hillary Clinton emails, documents show
 

gaiusmarius

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It's 500 pages :yoinks:

I'm sure the juicy stuff will get posted.

well then, time to get to work bro, get it all copied into 1 nice doc and post up asap. lmao...

cheers for the other option link, didnt realize it was gonna be the whole report. will be interesting to see what all in there.
 
the US invented the nuclear bomb and used it to show the world it's power. it was the first, then some of the members of the team decided that the US alone couldn't be trusted with this weapon, so they made it possible for the Russians to get the data on nuclear bombs, after some time they created their own bomb and tested it.

but yes i fully agree, nuclear weapons are a horror beyond mans understanding and we should do all we can to get rid of them. but realistically speaking those that have them like US, Israel, France, UK, China, Pakistan, Russia and India will not give them up. even with NK, ill believe it when i see it. those weapons they have already created will be stashed away, they won't give them up unless i'm much mistaken. the US would have to offer them a mutual defense treaty or something like that so they can be 1 million precent sure of their future safety from regime change etc.
the germans invented the nukes, the usa build and used them, so by that logic only germany is allowed to have nukes and drop them as they please?
this shit is on wikipedia man

you admit and "understand" WE wont give up our nukes, on what basis can we DEMAND somebody else gives up their nukes? especially when those people are AS FAR AWAY FROM AMERICA AS POSSIBLE ON THIS PLANET, korea isnt building a military base in japan... or cuba?... u know.....that would be an invasion right? but WE can do it, WE are special?

how can I be sure there is no regime change in the usa? how is ANY COUNTRY assured the usa isnt gonna blow up the world tomorrow because np other reason than WE CAN?

HAVING these nukes is a massive health issue, you dont even have to USE them https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ive-site-49-years-after-palomares-plane-crash

can the world have their planet back while the usa is trying to settle its ego?

im not gonna care if country xyz has 2893 or 3293 nukes, really thats not my issue at all
 

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the germans invented the nukes, the usa build and used them, so by that logic only germany is allowed to have nukes and drop them as they please?
this shit is on wikipedia man

you admit and "understand" WE wont give up our nukes, on what basis can we DEMAND somebody else gives up their nukes? especially when those people are AS FAR AWAY FROM AMERICA AS POSSIBLE ON THIS PLANET, korea isnt building a military base in japan... or cuba?... u know.....that would be an invasion right? but WE can do it, WE are special?

how can I be sure there is no regime change in the usa? how is ANY COUNTRY assured the usa isnt gonna blow up the world tomorrow because np other reason than WE CAN?

HAVING these nukes is a massive health issue, you dont even have to USE them https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ive-site-49-years-after-palomares-plane-crash

can the world have their planet back while the usa is trying to settle its ego?

im not gonna care if country xyz has 2893 or 3293 nukes, really thats not my issue at all

have you heard of the manhattan project?

did i say we had a right to demand anything from NK?or that anyone had a right to use nuclear weapons? don't think so, i'm talking about what is, rather then what should be. i think you didnt really read my posts completely because i agree in principle, the US has no right to attack either NK or Iran, but the majority of nuclear powers seem to have decided that they want to stop new membership in their club. not saying thats good or bad, just that it is. if you re read my last few posts fully you will see that you have misunderstood my position.

in the end, NK is a unpredictable dictatorship and getting their nukes away from them would be a good thing. but personally i'd like to see all sides get rid of their nuclear weapons.

the reality of the situation is that we have Trump who wants this resolved a certain way and in the end i prefer that he gets his way rather then that he forces his way with military might, with all the risks and loss of life that would involve.
 
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We almost nuked them into extinction, but instead we split Korea into two countries and put a military base very close to China.

Do you know world History? Because China would be new Japan without us crazy Americans. :biggrin:

I fail to see your point, I know all about the Korean War we beat them all the way back to the Chinese border then China attacked, they didn't win. I actually know a lot more about American history than most, very few conflicts I have not read about from both sides.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
[youtubeif]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk[/youtubeif]

'Murica, fuck yeah!! :biggrin:

no, MacArthur wanted to use nukes
but he was not the decision maker
the decision was that Korea was not worth WW3
looking at the history from then till now, i'd say it was the right choice
 
have you heard of the manhattan project?

did i say we had a right to demand anything from NK?or that anyone had a right to use nuclear weapons? don't think so, i'm talking about what is, rather then what should be. i think you didnt really read my posts completely because i agree in principle, the US has no right to attack either NK or Iran, but the majority of nuclear powers seem to have decided that they want to stop new membership in their club. not saying thats good or bad, just that it is. if you re read my last few posts fully you will see that you have misunderstood my position.

in the end, NK is a unpredictable dictatorship and getting their nukes away from them would be a good thing. but personally i'd like to see all sides get rid of their nuclear weapons.

the reality of the situation is that we have Trump who wants this resolved a certain way and in the end i prefer that he gets his way rather then that he forces his way with military might, with all the risks and loss of life that would involve.

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no i read it perfectly, you somehow seem to think a country, or a group of countries, can decide wheter another country can do what i likes in its own country
i me and my buddies, we a "the club" walk up to your house, break down the door, park my park in your livingroom, eat all your food and beat your kids, you wouldnd accept this based on "this is our club we dont want any new people in it" would you? youd shoot me or call the cops, well there is a "international police" thingy, and its not called america
if i want indonesia to stop polluting, can i take over its government or sabotage it untill i get what i want? sounds a bit childish?

"in the end, NK is a unpredictable dictatorship and getting their nukes away from them would be a good thing. " okay ill take your word for it? if a korean said that about the us, can he build military bases in cananda? are we using the same definition of the word predictable? and would that even be a good thing? i can predict the usa is gonna invade at least 5 counties in the next 15 years, so im predicting less world peace than i would 'not predict' with the NK dude, as far as i know, they havnt nuked anyone and are not building military bases outside their own country

yes the usa want to be world police and own the world, that their way of "solving" any problem in the world, just invade the shit out of it and it will be GREAT!
if he wants to resolve this peacefully, you dont buy new weapons to show off at your "enemy" unlessss
 

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no i read it perfectly, you somehow seem to think a country, or a group of countries, can decide wheter another country can do what i likes in its own country
i me and my buddies, we a "the club" walk up to your house, break down the door, park my park in your livingroom, eat all your food and beat your kids, you wouldnd accept this based on "this is our club we dont want any new people in it" would you? youd shoot me or call the cops, well there is a "international police" thingy, and its not called america
if i want indonesia to stop polluting, can i take over its government or sabotage it untill i get what i want? sounds a bit childish?

"in the end, NK is a unpredictable dictatorship and getting their nukes away from them would be a good thing. " okay ill take your word for it? if a korean said that about the us, can he build military bases in cananda? are we using the same definition of the word predictable? and would that even be a good thing? i can predict the usa is gonna invade at least 5 counties in the next 15 years, so im predicting less world peace than i would 'not predict' with the NK dude, as far as i know, they havnt nuked anyone and are not building military bases outside their own country

yes the usa want to be world police and own the world, that their way of "solving" any problem in the world, just invade the shit out of it and it will be GREAT!
if he wants to resolve this peacefully, you dont buy new weapons to show off at your "enemy" unlessss

hm....mh...we seem to be talking in different languages, so ill just say, ok! thanks for enlightening me on your views.

let's hope peace prevails over war.
 

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hm....mh...we seem to be talking in different languages, so ill just say, ok! thanks for enlightening me on your views.

let's hope peace prevails over war.


Not to mention the fact that Einstein was Jewish, was despised by the Nazis, left Germany in 1932, took up permanent residency in the US in 1935, and was granted citizenship in 1940.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Albert-Einstein


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But that doesn't make it right....

correct also, but not entirely wrong once the various entities determine that they're in compliance, tough to hold out a reward to them & then to go back on your word. :dunno:


He gave them back 1.5 billion...which was principal and interest.
So, I googled the 150 thing. I honestly had not heard that estimate, wasn't even being a dick. Thought something new was out. Packerfan is quoting trumps estimate. So it's 1.5 or 1.6 billion in cash, the rest of the 55 to 100 billion they are talking about is various sanctioned money and business that was/were being held by various countries, people, institutions around the world.

true enough, somebody (not members here btw) will either inflate or deflate any $$$amounts, statistics, etc to fit their agenda...

we go to our favored news source(s) to find those numbers matching so we make the assumptions that we're correct, period!

debates/arguments ensue, name calling still going on etc...

for what??? whatever becomes of the investigation will happen no matter what we hope, say, pound!!! into each others minds. whatever comes of trump by 2020??? same as above. All the chest pounding etc here ain't gonna sway the powers that be in DC...

Aside from some anti-trump humor I'm trying to steer clear of the drama.


I'd also like to remind folks that although I now live in Minnesota, that I grew up in NY & commuted many years to NYC by train where I'd devour 3 or 4 newspapers in a day.

I hated/despised trump from the '70s on, ALWAYS bad news with him, cheating contractors, cheating on 2 wives, cheating on his income taxes, bankruptcies, all the bad juju a NYC businessman could ask for.

Google it, you'll find the undeniable truth.

NY'ers were ashamed to call him 'our own', it was like we all had an evil uncle donny.

my hatred for him runs decades deep, the fact that he's our current commander in cheat doesn't endear me a bit to him now. If what I've said upsets or offends you please understand that wasn't my intent, nor am I trying to prove anyone wrong by this either.


As Frank Bartles use to say "and thank you for your support." damn I drank enough of that shit to give me brain rot back in the day.......

 

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I'd also like to remind folks that although I now live in Minnesota, that I grew up in NY & commuted many years to NYC by train where I'd devour 3 or 4 newspapers in a day.

I hated/despised trump from the '70s on, ALWAYS bad news with him, cheating contractors, cheating on 2 wives, cheating on his income taxes, bankruptcies, all the bad juju a NYC businessman could ask for.

Google it, you'll find the undeniable truth.

NY'ers were ashamed to call him 'our own', it was like we all had an evil uncle donny.

my hatred for him runs decades deep, the fact that he's our current commander in cheat doesn't endear me a bit to him now. If what I've said upsets or offends you please understand that wasn't my intent, nor am I trying to prove anyone wrong by this either.


I'm from boondocks Pa and my mom always bought several papers daily. The New York Times and The New York Daily news. I read them from 1968 to around 1975. I remember being shock at all the people in New York who robbed, assaulted, raped and murdered each other. There seemed to be a murder or two every single day. I remember reading daily about the Son of Sam killer, the subway vigilante guy, Central Park rapist and many more nightmare stories. All the arsons. All the contractors that were ripping people off doing crappy work or not doing it at all. Who should care what New Yorkers thought about who was a good person or not.

Now in current times some of the repeat type crime stories you read about or see on the news are stories about contractors who steal money from people by doing shoddy work, not finishing the work or not ever doing the work. The local news has a reporter who goes out and help people who are having some issues with different situations. Many of them are scam contractors or crappy ones. It cost to much for the average person to fight them in court with lawyers. Trump could.

Trump didn't pay contractors who didn't do the work correctly or on time. Contractors can cry me a river. There are current cases in big cities where contractors used a cheap cement mix and the roads and sidewalks are pitted. They skimped because it saved them millions. Crappy bridge work. The walkway that collapsed and killed people. Go read some papers again. Same type stuff Trump came up against.

He had affairs, admitted them, got divorced and paid his exes fairly and took care of them and his children. I bet you had an affair or got divorced Stoner4life. Shit happens. People who got divorced can still be successful. Are you a choir boy? Please you have been breaking the law just like all of us on here. I bet some people in this thread got divorced, had affairs or did shit that makes Trump look like a boy scout.

Bankruptcies are a part of the business world. Sometimes a business might have several business and one has to be folded to save the others. Many jobs saved at the cost of a lesser amounts of lost jobs. You don't know the circumstance of the bankruptcies.

Now they got more dirt on Bernie Sanders and Hillary is knee deep in shit. Trump whatever he is isn't any worse then what we were fed or what we have eaten before.
 

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One observation so far....


IG Report: “We do not have confidence that Strzok’s decision was free from bias”…

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Michael Horowitz: FBI Agent Peter Strzok walks like a biased duck… looks like a biased duck… sounds like a biased duck… has all the same characteristics of a biased duck… and took the exact action a biased duck would take; therefore “We do not have confidence” FBI Agent Peter Strzok is not a biased duck.

[…] when one senior FBI official, Strzok, who was helping to lead the Russia investigation at the time, conveys in a text message to another senior FBI official, Page, that “we’ll stop” candidate Trump from being elected—after other extensive text messages between the two disparaging candidate Trump—it is not only indicative of a biased state of mind but, even more seriously, implies a willingness to take official action to impact the presidential candidate’s electoral prospects.

This is antithetical to the core values of the FBI and the Department of Justice. Moreover, as we describe in Chapter Nine, in assessing Strzok’s decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop in October 2016, these text messages led us to conclude that we did not have confidence that Strzok’s decision was free from bias. (p.420)

Christopher Wray: “I take these findings seriously, and we accept these findings and recommendations.” … “This report did not find any evidence of political bias or improper considerations actually impacting the investigation under review.”

This is the infuriating part. Think about this carefully. This is not some arbitrary irrelevant institution within the bureaucracy of government. The FBI is the “premier” law enforcement investigative apparatus within the entirety of the United States homeland security apparatus. We rely upon the FBI’s investigative skills, training and application of common sense as they carry out their official responsibilities.

In essence the FBI has the primary responsibility for ensuring the internal safety and security of Americans through a process of evaluating evidence and threats; and more importantly taking action on clear evidence of those threats to avoid public safety issues.

Yet, the most important investigative body; within the system of U.S. law and order; cannot identify, admit, accept and take action upon a clear and present threat within its own organizational ranks. A political bias that is transparently obvious to the rest of America.

Allow me to put the IG/DOJ/FBI principle, at the heart of the matter, another way…

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…It looks like a terrorist; it acts like a terrorist; it communicates like a terrorist; it behaves in the same manner a terrorist would behave; it carries an exploding vest; it is heading to an event where a large number of people are gathered;….we do not have confidence it is not a terrorist – and yet, the FBI takes no action.

All of a sudden,… with specific thanks to the clear inability of the FBI to apply common sense as outlined within the IG report on politicization inside the FBI: The Boston Marathon, San Bernardino, Orlando Pulse Nightclub, Las Vegas Mandalay Bay and Broward County Parkland School massacres take on a transparent outlook.

Additionally, the popular talking point presented by those who defend the DOJ and FBI is about how the “rank and file” shouldn’t be blamed for the politicization and corrupt behavior of the senior DOJ and FBI leadership.

Oh really?

Well, lets take a look at the “Rank and File”:

On August 29, 2016, Agent 1 and Agent 5 exchanged the following instant messages as part of a discussion about their jobs. The sender of each message is noted after the timestamp.

10:39:49, Agent 1: “I find anyone who enjoys [this job] an absolute fucking idiot. If you dont think so, ask them one more question. Who are you voting for? I guarantee you it will be Donald Drumpf.”
10:40:13, Agent 5: “i forgot about drumpf…”
10:40:27, Agent 5: “that’s so sad and pathetic if they want to vote for him.”
10:40:43, Agent 5: “someone who can’t answer a question”
10:40:51, Agent 5: “someone who can’t be professional for even a second”

On September 9, 2016, Agent 1 and Agent 5 exchanged the following instant messages.

08:56:43, Agent 5: “i’m trying to think of a ‘would i rather’ instead of spending time with those people”
08:56:54, Agent 1: “stick your tongue in a fan??”
08:56:58, Agent 5: “i would rather have brunch with trump”
08:57:03, Agent 1: “ha”
08:57:15, Agent 1: “french toast with drumpf”
08:57:19, Agent 5: “i would rather have brunch with trump and a bunch of his supporters like the ones from ohio that are retarded”
08:57:23, Agent 5: “:)

November 9, 2016, the day after the presidential election. FBI Attorney 2 and another FBI employee who was not involved in the Midyear investigation exchanged the following instant messages

09:38:14, FBI Attorney 2: “I am numb.”

09:55:35, FBI Employee: “I can’t stop crying.”

10:00:13, FBI Attorney 2: “That makes me even more sad.”

10:43:20, FBI Employee: “Like, what happened?”

10:43:37, FBI Employee: “You promised me this wouldn’t happen. YOU PROMISED.”

10:43:43, FBI Employee: Okay, that might have been a lie…”

10:43:46, FBI Employee: “I’m very upset.”

10:43:47, FBI Employee: “haha”

10:51:48, FBI Attorney 2: “I am so stressed about what I could have done differently.”

10:54:29, FBI Employee: “Don’t stress. None of that mattered.”

10:54:31, FBI Employee: “The FBI’s influence.”

10:59:36, FBI Attorney 2: “I don’t know. We broke the momentum.”

11:00:03, FBI Employee: “That is not so.”

11:02:22, FBI Employee: “All the people who were initially voting for her would not, and were not, swayed by any decision the FBI put out. Trump’s supporters are all poor to middle class, uneducated, lazy POS that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing. They probably didn’t watch the debates, aren’t fully educated on his policies, and are stupidly wrapped up in his unmerited enthusiasm.”

11:11:43, FBI Attorney 2: “I’m just devastated. I can’t wait until I can leave today and just shut off the world for the next four days.”

11:12:06, FBI Employee: “Why are you devastated?”

11:12:18, FBI Employee: “Yes, I’m not watching tv for four years.”

11:14:16, FBI Attorney 2: “I just can’t imagine the systematic disassembly of the progress we made over the last 8 years. ACA is gone. Who knows if the rhetoric about deporting people, walls, and crap is true. I honestly feel like there is going to be a lot more gun issues, too, the crazies won finally. This is the tea party on steroids. And the GOP is going to be lost, they have to deal with an incumbent in 4 years. We have to fight this again. Also Pence is stupid.”


That’s the rank and file, reflecting how the rank and file feel about us.


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lol


https://theconservativetreehouse.co...nce-that-strzoks-decision-was-free-from-bias/
 

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IG Report: FBI Officials Accepted Bribes From Media…
Posted on June 14, 2018 by sundance
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/14/ig-report-fbi-officials-accepted-bribes-from-media/

On Page Xii of the IG report the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General (DOJ-OIG) highlights numerous FBI officials who accepted bribes from multiple media outlets including: “tickets to sporting events”, “golf outings”, “drinks and meals” as well as exclusive invitations and admission to “nonpublic social events”.

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The OIG investigative finding was disturbing enough to launch a separate set of investigations that will be included in follow-up reports.

IG REPORT – We identified numerous FBI employees, at all levels of the organization and with no official reason to be in contact with the media, who were nevertheless in frequent contact with reporters. Attached to this report as Attachments E and F are two link charts that reflect the volume of communications that we identified between FBI employees and media representatives in April/May and October 2016. We have profound concerns about the volume and extent of unauthorized media contacts by FBI personnel that we have uncovered during our review.

In addition, we identified instances where FBI employees improperly received benefits from reporters, including tickets to sporting events, golfing outings, drinks and meals, and admittance to nonpublic social events. We will separately report on those investigations as they are concluded, consistent with the Inspector General Act, other applicable federal statutes, and OIG policy.

The harm caused by leaks, fear of potential leaks, and a culture of unauthorized media contacts is illustrated in Chapters Ten and Eleven of our report, where we detail the fact that these issues influenced FBI officials who were advising Comey on consequential investigative decisions in October 2016.

[…] We do not believe the problem is with the FBI’s policy, which we found to be clear and unambiguous. Rather, we concluded that these leaks highlight the need to change what appears to be a cultural attitude among many in the organization.

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I'm from boondocks Pa and my mom always bought several papers daily. The New York Times and The New York Daily news. I read them from 1968 to around 1975. I remember being shock at all the people in New York who robbed, assaulted, raped and murdered each other. There seemed to be a murder or two every single day. I remember reading daily about the Son of Sam killer, the subway vigilante guy, Central Park rapist and many more nightmare stories. All the arsons. All the contractors that were ripping people off doing crappy work or not doing it at all. Who should care what New Yorkers thought about who was a good person or not.

Now in current times some of the repeat type crime stories you read about or see on the news are stories about contractors who steal money from people by doing shoddy work, not finishing the work or not ever doing the work. The local news has a reporter who goes out and help people who are having some issues with different situations. Many of them are scam contractors or crappy ones. It cost to much for the average person to fight them in court with lawyers. Trump could.

Trump didn't pay contractors who didn't do the work correctly or on time. Contractors can cry me a river. There are current cases in big cities where contractors used a cheap cement mix and the roads and sidewalks are pitted. They skimped because it saved them millions. Crappy bridge work. The walkway that collapsed and killed people. Go read some papers again. Same type stuff Trump came up against.

He had affairs, admitted them, got divorced and paid his exes fairly and took care of them and his children. I bet you had an affair or got divorced Stoner4life. Shit happens. People who got divorced can still be successful. Are you a choir boy? Please you have been breaking the law just like all of us on here. I bet some people in this thread got divorced, had affairs or did shit that makes Trump look like a boy scout.

Bankruptcies are a part of the business world. Sometimes a business might have several business and one has to be folded to save the others. Many jobs saved at the cost of a lesser amounts of lost jobs. You don't know the circumstance of the bankruptcies.

Now they got more dirt on Bernie Sanders and Hillary is knee deep in shit. Trump whatever he is isn't any worse then what we were fed or what we have eaten before.



YUP!!! I got divorced, after I caught the c unt cheating, got her red handed, sorta the EXACT opposite of lil' donny. :jerkit: I however did NOT cheat on my wife

Bankruptcies??? donny boy got caught taking goods and services illegally on credit, can't do that w/o payment up front in cash or by specific bank note to that transaction, being bankrupt means you are NOT creditworthy, something lil' donny boy forgot 'bout. Moving money around illegally too. And well, he only had 6 of them, so wtf, you're obviously a forgiving man.

And I said "CHEATING CONTRACTORS" not 'not paying them for services not rendered'. He got caught CHEATING/FUCKING contractors, the courts forcing him to pay them.

You stopped reading those papers in '75??? You missed all the hot shit 'bout donny boy then, the BEST was yet to come.

I noticed that you didn't try to defend him for cheating on his taxes, the one thing that unto itself I might admire him for, but added to the list of his other crimes & offenses, well, he can go fuck himself.

please don't allude to knowing jack shit about me either boy.......

 

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Maybe because we are all flawed somehow people can relate more to a flawed man in the position of POTUS, rather than someone that literally walks on water?

*1000 posts in this thread in 3 weeks, and still going well. Keep it real guys.
 
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