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[HazyBulldog]

The climate is more cooling down than increasing in the Northern Hemisphere.The Sun has more influence on the climate than CO2.
Sunspot activity decreased so there is more chance for a mini Ice Age.

Ding Ding, another winner!

Did anybody know that back in the 1500's Galileo said he could see explosions on the sun. Said it was happening all the time, we now know these as sun spots. During the 1600's, astronomers said they thought Galileo was on acid, cause they couldn't see any sun spots........ That was during the mini ice age.

G, who would have thought the sun would be the main factor in global temperatures.........

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I couldn't agree more. How many people in this thread, and nobody could even answer the question of what is the biggest factor in warming........ How can one pretend to know if warming will occur if you don't even know what contributes to it?

I must have missed this question. Anyway, why don't you tell us what the answer is?

...
Then we could take what these "scientist" have said and see if it came true......

Stronger hurricanes every year, however reality shows no hurricanes in a decade.

Sierra mountains will no longer have snow......... Reality? Sierra mountains are having a record high snow season.

Everything should be warming, yet there has been an 18 year pause
...

No hurricanes in a decade? WTF?

The computer model which predicted a change in the Northern Jet Stream, led to a prediction of drought in the western states. The authors of that study explicitly stated that their work only related to storms coming off the north Pacific, and not subtropical southern storms (pineapple express). The record snowfalls in the Sierra Nevada this year were the result of atmospheric rivers from subtropical regions being sucked up into more northern regions. With greater sea surface evaporation we might get more of this.

This last year has shown many heat records. The warming of the arctic regions is unprecedented. Satellite imagery shows the lowest extent of sea ice ever recorded in both the Arctic and Antarctic oceans.

 

[Boxfarm]

FAKE NEWS

FAKE NEWS

Feds have already convicted two Russian hackers and sentenced them to time served.


https://www.palmerreport.com/opinio...ve-clearly-flipped-on-someone-important/2499/

Might I point out that these men were not "convicted" of anything. The article states they were "arrested" last October. It also clearly states that they were not "hackers" but rather they were two guys who shipped some computer equipment to Russia that may have been used in the hack. LOL this is comical. Just read the headline and then dissect the article. FAKE NEWS. Could it possibly be true that the feds decided they didn't have enough evidence to convict them of a crime? Or maybe they determined that no crime had been committed? No way! You keep reading, and taking the bits of information and twisting them to fit your agenda. It's working so far! If nothing else, this liberal news propaganda is helping to convince all the level headed people in America how manipulative and desperate the dems are right now

 

[HazyBulldog]

I already answered the question, you should read my responses instead of asking me to repeat....... h20 was the answer........

So all those excuses as why the models didn't work..... you are missing the point..... They didn't work for whatever reason, so why would we trust any other models they claim are accurate now? Bad science begets bad science.


also, yes, big drought in huricanes yet the global warming models showed a big increase.

https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/major-hurricane-us-landfall-drought-study

No Major Hurricane Has Made Landfall In the U.S. In More Than 9 Years -- and That's a New Record

Funny how people claim that global warming is 100% yet don't know about the actual weather stats.............

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Ding Ding, another winner!

Did anybody know that back in the 1500's Galileo said he could see explosions on the sun. Said it was happening all the time, we now know these as sun spots. During the 1600's, astronomers said they thought Galileo was on acid, cause they couldn't see any sun spots........ That was during the mini ice age.

G, who would have thought the sun would be the main factor in global temperatures.........

Ding Ding!!! Winner!

I couldn't agree more. How many people in this thread, and nobody could even answer the question of what is the biggest factor in warming........ How can one pretend to know if warming will occur if you don't even know what contributes to it?

OK, you posted while I was working on my post. So are you saying that recent changes in solar intensity are the cause of the observed warming of Earth's oceans and atmosphere?

 

[HazyBulldog]

This last year has shown many heat records. The warming of the arctic regions is unprecedented. Satellite imagery shows the lowest extent of sea ice ever recorded in both the Arctic and Antarctic oceans.

This is flat out not true. Before I destroy this, can you show me a link that shows both the arctic and antarctic or even the net ice on planet earth has decreased? Or are you just saying what you feel? Links please.

OK, you posted while I was working on my post. So are you saying that recent changes in solar intensity are the cause of the observed warming of Earth's oceans and atmosphere?

I am saying that is the main factor. Just calculating gasses will never predict the weather, cause the sun influences global temperatures more than any other factor. Period. Re-read what I said about Galileo.



A hundred or so years ago man thought the sun was a burning ball of things like wood or other natural combustibles. Now we know that it's nuclear fusion, and over time the sun will continue to get hotter. Eventually, it will go super nova and devour everything. So yea, I guess global warming is inevitable.

 

[Boxfarm]

correction...

correction...

Might I point out that these men were not "convicted" of anything. The article states they were "arrested" last October. It also clearly states that they were not "hackers" but rather they were two guys who shipped some computer equipment to Russia that may have been used in the hack. LOL this is comical. Just read the headline and then dissect the article. FAKE NEWS. Could it possibly be true that the feds decided they didn't have enough evidence to convict them of a crime? Or maybe they determined that no crime had been committed? No way! You keep reading, and taking the bits of information and twisting them to fit your agenda. It's working so far! If nothing else, this liberal news propaganda is helping to convince all the level headed people in America how manipulative and desperate the dems are right now

After some google work, I stand corrected. They did plead guilty to charge completely unrelated to hacking. The article you posted is misleading to the point of irresponsibility. If you want the real story, here's a link. Completely unrelated to Trump...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-technology-idUSKBN17U2ZR

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Might I point out that these men were not "convicted" of anything. The article states they were "arrested" last October. It also clearly states that they were not "hackers" but rather they were two guys who shipped some computer equipment to Russia that may have been used in the hack. LOL this is comical. Just read the headline and then dissect the article. FAKE NEWS. Could it possibly be true that the feds decided they didn't have enough evidence to convict them of a crime? Or maybe they determined that no crime had been committed? No way! You keep reading, and taking the bits of information and twisting them to fit your agenda. It's working so far! If nothing else, this liberal news propaganda is helping to convince all the level headed people in America how manipulative and desperate the dems are right now

You are correct that "hackers" may not be the best description from the information given. Both guys pleaded guilty and were sentenced to time served. "Convicted" doesn't apply here? Palmer states that publicly available information ties them to the FBI investigation of the Trump campaign, but doesn't state what that information is.

From Reuters;

Two Russian nationals arrested in the United States last October on charges of conspiring to export sensitive military technology from the United States to Russia were sentenced to time served on Friday, a spokesman for U.S. prosecutors said.
Dmitrii Aleksandrovich Karpenko, 33, and Alexey Krutilin, 27, both pleaded guilty on March 8 and were sentenced by U.S. District Judge Leo Glasser in Brooklyn. They have agreed to immediate deportation to Russia, where both live, the spokesman said.
U.S. prosecutors said the men planned to obtain microelectronics from manufacturers and suppliers in the United States and export them to Russia while evading government controls on high-tech exports.
The technology at issue included devices used in radar and missile guidance systems, prosecutors said. The United States restricts the export of items it believes could contribute to weapons proliferation and undermine U.S. national security.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Takes a lot of time to create a post, doesn't it? Like trying to carry on a telephone conversation with a fifteen minute time delay between transmissions.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

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Originally Posted by HazyBulldog

I couldn't agree more. How many people in this thread, and nobody could even answer the question of what is the biggest factor in warming........ How can one pretend to know if warming will occur if you don't even know what contributes to it?[/FONT]

I must have missed this question. Anyway, why don't you tell us what the answer is?

I already answered the question, you should read my responses instead of asking me to repeat....... h20 was the answer.......

OK. Being the most abundant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere doesn't mean that water vapor is the determining factor driving changes in atmospheric heating. Increased CO2 can explain the changes. It's changes we're looking at here. Increases in water vapor require increases in ocean surface evaporation, which requires increases in ocean and/or atmospheric temperatures. It's changes in atmospheric CO2 content which provides the nudge to generate increased water vapor. That big V8 makes a truck go faster but it requires the gentle nudge of someone's foot on the accelerator.

As I already stated yesterday;
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Human activity has increased atmospheric CO2 levels, which in turn absorb radiant heat from the earth. And so our atmosphere has warmed, which in turn warms the oceans. This results in increased evaporation from ocean surfaces. Since atmospheric H2O is such a powerful greenhouse gas, this increase in water vapor captures radiant heat from Earth surfaces and heats the earth big league.

It's a positive feedback loop which contributes to runaway heating. Another positive feedback effect is that the melting of ocean surface sea ice allows incoming sunlight to be absorbed by the dark ocean surface instead of being reflected back out to space. This warms the polar ocean waters which then melt more sea ice (and allow more evaporation).
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Originally Posted by Crusader Rabbit

This last year has shown many heat records. The warming of the arctic regions is unprecedented. Satellite imagery shows the lowest extent of sea ice ever recorded in both the Arctic and Antarctic oceans.
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This is flat out not true. Before I destroy this, can you show me a link that shows both the arctic and antarctic or even the net ice on planet earth has decreased? Or are you just saying what you feel? Links please.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2017/02/2017-ushers-in-record-low-extent/




[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Originally Posted by Crusader Rabbit

OK, you posted while I was working on my post. So are you saying that recent changes in solar intensity are the cause of the observed warming of Earth's oceans and atmosphere?
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I am saying that is the main factor. Just calculating gasses will never predict the weather, cause the sun influences global temperatures more than any other factor. Period. Re-read what I said about Galileo.

A hundred or so years ago man thought the sun was a burning ball of things like wood or other natural combustibles. Now we know that it's nuclear fusion, and over time the sun will continue to get hotter. Eventually, it will go super nova and devour everything. So yea, I guess global warming is inevitable.

Yes, I have heard of this Galileo fellow.

I am aware of the fact that the sun heats Earth's surface.

Your premise requires a recent increase in solar emissions. You have provided no evidence of such.


What a waste of this morning. I'll go do something important now, like taking the dog for a walk. It looks like a beautiful day outside.

 

[Stay Gel^N 247]

Water is also a greenhouse gas, but when it concentrates beyond a certain amount in the atmosphere, it rains back out meaning burning hydrogen will have no effect on the climate (at least not one we are aware of at present and not on the scale of CO2 or methane). The other difficulties with hydrogen are that as a gas it is hard to carry around enough to use for very long. If it is pressurized (I doubt it is ever liquified as a conventonal fuel source) it is accordingly very dangerous. Finally it is rather explosive. These are, however, probably technical problems (together with the generation of hydrogen) that can be overcome.

Balance

 

[Genghis Kush]

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Originally Posted by HazyBulldog [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/images/buttons/viewpost.gif]View Image[/URL]

I couldn't agree more. How many people in this thread, and nobody could even answer the question of what is the biggest factor in warming........ How can one pretend to know if warming will occur if you don't even know what contributes to it?[/FONT]

I must have missed this question. Anyway, why don't you tell us what the answer is?



OK. Being the most abundant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere doesn't mean that water vapor is the determining factor driving changes in atmospheric heating. Increased CO2 can explain the changes. It's changes we're looking at here. Increases in water vapor require increases in ocean surface evaporation, which requires increases in ocean and/or atmospheric temperatures. It's changes in atmospheric CO2 content which provides the nudge to generate increased water vapor. That big V8 makes a truck go faster but it requires the gentle nudge of someone's foot on the accelerator.

As I already stated yesterday;
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Human activity has increased atmospheric CO2 levels, which in turn absorb radiant heat from the earth. And so our atmosphere has warmed, which in turn warms the oceans. This results in increased evaporation from ocean surfaces. Since atmospheric H2O is such a powerful greenhouse gas, this increase in water vapor captures radiant heat from Earth surfaces and heats the earth big league.

It's a positive feedback loop which contributes to runaway heating. Another positive feedback effect is that the melting of ocean surface sea ice allows incoming sunlight to be absorbed by the dark ocean surface instead of being reflected back out to space. This warms the polar ocean waters which then melt more sea ice (and allow more evaporation).
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Originally Posted by Crusader Rabbit [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/images/buttons/viewpost.gif]View Image[/URL]

This last year has shown many heat records. The warming of the arctic regions is unprecedented. Satellite imagery shows the lowest extent of sea ice ever recorded in both the Arctic and Antarctic oceans.
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https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2017/02/2017-ushers-in-record-low-extent/




[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Originally Posted by Crusader Rabbit [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/images/buttons/viewpost.gif]View Image[/URL]

OK, you posted while I was working on my post. So are you saying that recent changes in solar intensity are the cause of the observed warming of Earth's oceans and atmosphere?
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Yes, I have heard of this Galileo fellow.

I am aware of the fact that the sun heats Earth's surface.

Your premise requires a recent increase in solar emissions. You have provided no evidence of such.


What a waste of this morning. I'll go do something important now, like taking the dog for a walk. It looks like a beautiful day outside.

its a waste of energy crusader

hazeybulldog is suffering from something callled the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive incapacity, on the part of those with low ability, to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their competence accurately.

 

[Genghis Kush]

Confucius
("Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance"),

Bertrand Russell
("One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"),

and Charles Darwin,
("Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge").

Shakespeare expressed a similar observation in As You Like It
("The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool" (V.i)).

 

[subrob]

I'm too busy to do the kind of research neccesary for me to really join in this Convo...
But...
Did someone post that military bases built decades ago prove global warming doesn't exist? I was just kinda scanning...

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I'm too busy to do the kind of research neccesary for me to really join in this Convo...
But...
Did someone post that military bases built decades ago prove global warming doesn't exist? I was just kinda scanning...

Unfortunately I knew where to find it...

One last question that will make you think........

If 99% of scientist believe global warming
If the majority of the USA population believes in global warming.........
If governments really believe in global warming.........

Then why are 80+% of the country and 90+% of the military installments built on the coast line? Why are more people not moving? You know, water levels will rise, and destroy all that right?


Seems like things just don't add up. All predictions that have passed have been wrong, going back scientific models haven't shown up to 95% of the warming predicted, and even the people that scream the world is ending, will still buy beach front property, drive their cars, and wrap their lunch sandwiches in plastic....... Something is wrong here.

I'm going to take the dog for another walk.

 

[subrob]

Does the fact that the Navy has a base in Nebraska prove global warming is real? And how about the Army Corp of engineers? Seems like they are taking the possibility seriously.

 

[igrowone]

emotions are clouding judgement
not until dramatic changes occur in some people's lives will they consider global warming to be a real thing
talk will not change their minds, dry scientific opinions will make no impression
i think we'll live, but dramatic change seems to be happening now
total ice cover and taken a sharp step lower in the last 2 years
and global temps have popped by about 1 degree Celsius over the last 2 years

 

[subrob]

So...in the states it's pretty obvious that the climate is not a scientific debate but a political one(I'm aware there are exceptions)
I am curious how the debate is framed in other countries? Is it strictly partisan? Maybe someone on here can give me a glimpse of how it is interpreted in other countries?

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

So...in the states it's pretty obvious that the climate is not a scientific debate but a political one(I'm aware there are exceptions)
...

There have been a number of studies which document that the most significant determination of a person's attitude toward the idea of human caused climate change is one's political affiliation. This includes scientists. The most noticeable exception to this are people who's jobs involve helping people who are suffering, such as doctors and trial lawyers.

 

[subrob]

This is a pretty awesome political thread
Those of us who like to just shit on people get to do it here and there but people on both sides are also bringing actual arguments knowledge and effort and are keeping us shitheads in our place
What we gonna argue about next?