Trump administration hints at ‘greater enforcement’ of marijuana laws

[Crusader Rabbit]

Well back to the original premise of this thread...

Trump administration hints at ‘greater enforcement’ of marijuana laws


The Trump administration may soon be too busy with legal issues to bother harassing pot smokers. Two grand juries have been convened.


http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/wilson-grand-jury-donald-trump-russia/2507/

 

[Jhhnn]

I think your view is extremely logical and my response is in no way meant to put you down. It's important to me because in my experience, this is the view that most people have.

"I am not a scientist, so I have to trust what the scientists are saying"

Taking this viewpoint IS the easy way out. The fact that you don't believe in God is irrelevant. We as human beings have a unique ability to determine the difference between right an wrong. As a military man (thank you for your service by the way) I would venture to guess you have a fair bit of common sense as well. Since you are a veteran, I will use a military example to back up my point:

Every civilization from the beginning of time has had different perspectives on how to fight a battle or win a war. However, had you ever heard of a civilization in which it was considered a great honor to run away in the midst of a battle? That is just wrong. Plain and simple.

With that being said, in the absence of the means to conduct your own research on the matter, you have two choices. You can consider all the data available and draw your own conclusions, or you can take the scientists word for it. My personal opinion is based not only on the fact that CO2 probably does have an impact on the environment but also on the enormous benefits that energy has on humanity. I believe that the science is probably accurate, but most likely skewed since most environmental research is funded by big government or big oil. When you look at the whole picture, it seems very clear to me. Restricting fossil fuel use would have a much more devastating effect on humanity than any amount of global warming. Especially when you consider the global temperature trends over long periods of earths history and how close we are to replacing fossil fuels with cleaner sources of energy.

If we were going to be burning fossil fuels for the next 1000 years, I would be making a completely different case. My hope is that fossil fuels will be a healthy and necessary debate for the foreseeable future, but in the end it will be irrelevant. We will discover cheaper and cleaner sources of energy before we wreck the environment.

I mentioned the book in my last post "The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels" by Alex Epstein. Read it! If nothing else, it will give you different perspective. He is not working for big oil. He is a philosopher. An atheist philosopher I might add.

You forgot to mention that he's a devotee of Ayn Rand & Objectivism, that his Center for Industrial Progress is an industry creation. He's a PR guy for fossil fuels, plain & simple.

The Center for Industrial Progress offers “Speaking” services for corporate events and “Consulting” services for the energy industry. They describe their consulting service as being “unmatched in its ability to successfully out-message 'environmentalists' and turn their supporters into your supporters.” [12], [13]
Epstein's speaking services include keynotes on topics like “The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels,” “Energy Heroes,” and “How to Take the Moral High Ground.” He also provides workshops for “custom guidance making the moral case for fossil fuels to neutralize attackers, to turn non-supporters into supporters, and to turn supporters into champions.”

https://www.desmogblog.com/center-industrial-progress


I'm sure he lives well.

 

[packerfan79]

Hey guys let me know when you stop u sing those evil fossil fuels.lol. ditch that car, those Nikes, get some moccasins and build that mud hut.

 

[vta]

Settled science....

I've heard it all before...

 

[packerfan79]

Settled science....

I've heard it all before...

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Yup you must be on Exxon payroll, climate denier. Lol

 

[packerfan79]

Well back to the original premise of this thread...

Trump administration hints at ‘greater enforcement’ of marijuana laws


The Trump administration may soon be too busy with legal issues to bother harassing pot smokers. Two grand juries have been convened.


http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/wilson-grand-jury-donald-trump-russia/2507/

Every partisan political news media has been trying not happening buddy. The guy writing the article was part of the Clinton white house. No spin there.Hillary has closer ties to Russia, don t forget she set up the transfer of 20 % of the U.S. uranium reserves to a Kremlin controlled company. For a multi million dollar donation to the Clinton Foundation. Pay to play , classic Clinton.

 

[subrob]

Pay to play , classic Clinton.

Dude...I'm sorry man...I really am..
But do you not see how ridiculous little statements like this are? Coming from someone who supports the other side? I'm not going to point out the irony

But here's where you and I are different:
I agree she is a for sale politician. She was a weakness and she got beat...cuz Democrats don't like the pay to play
But are you willing to acknowledge where that political strategy came from and where it has been MOST dominant your entire lifetime?

I was against Clinton
For a lot longer than the right
They loved her cuz she was a good little Republican...until she became a threat

 

[packerfan79]

Dude...I'm sorry man...I really am..
But do you not see how ridiculous little statements like this are? Coming from someone who supports the other side? I'm not going to point out the irony

But here's where you and I are different:
I agree she is a for sale politician. She was a weakness and she got beat...cuz Democrats don't like the pay to play
But are you willing to acknowledge where that political strategy came from and where it has been MOST dominant your entire lifetime?

I was against Clinton
For a lot longer than the right
They loved her cuz she was a good little Republican...until she became a threat

Read the bio the author was part of the Bill Clinton white house, funny how you believe everything a leftist journalists says. Remember these are the same so called journalists who gave Hillary Clinton debate questions in advance.

If you want to be taken seriously stop quoting people who have worked for the Clintons. And yes pay to play is Classic Clinton, these fools rented out the Lincoln bedroom, made hundreds of millions of dollars on a government salary, and swindled the Hatian people out half a billion in aid. Oops Hillary's brother also got the 2nd Haitian mining contract in 50 years, nothing to see here move along. Oh look Trump did this and that, Trump clubbed a baby seal, he kicked a handicappedkid, he's in bed with the Russians. Come on you truly believe this crap? I have to question your sanity.

 

[WilliametteWilly]

Every side is the same. Democrat/Republican. Liberal/Conservative. Most US citizens can agree on stuff. The hot button issues that they have created only divide us. The stuff everyone agrees with......... Getting money out of politics, controlling monopolies, legalizing marijuana, and giving all citizens a chance at the life they wish. That stuff doesn't get talked about often because it isnt in the interest of the leaders of our government. Naturally we all want to be on a side, it does not have to be Republican or Democrat.

As for the initial topic of this thread............ Trump is pretty liberal, but he will tell whomever he is talking to what they want to hear. I see no chance of him stopping legalization. To many people are in favor of it now and Trump is a populist ruler.

 

[Genghis Kush]

This is a direct path Maoist massacres, communism has taken over 50 million lives, just in the cultural revolution, not including the one child policy. Close to 100 million lives from China alone. Sounds like a solution to you?

The earth cant sustain the rate of population growth, so a solution has to be found.

do you have a better solution than restricting how many children a person can have?

 

[packerfan79]

The earth cant sustain the rate of population growth, so a solution has to be found.

do you have a better solution than restricting how many children a person can have?

So I guess a liberal will have the honor of choosing who lives and who dies? So are you going to be the first to volunteer? Go for it. As for me and my family, I am taking as many commie fucks as I can with me. So genocide is perfectly ok with you, I guess you fit right in on the left.

 

[WilliametteWilly]

The earth cant sustain the rate of population growth, so a solution has to be found.

The Earth has survived billions of years. Meteors have not destroyed the Earth. It is just a giant rock in space. Humans may not survive the population growth. But humans no way, no how, could destroy this molten lava filled rock.{sarcastic voice} Seems you really just want to save the Earth for your own selfish human needs. Haha But seriously we can not destroy Earth.

 

[packerfan79]

The Earth has survived billions of years. Meteors have not destroyed the Earth. It is just a giant rock in space. Humans may not survive the population growth. But humans no way, no how, could destroy this molten lava filled rock.{sarcastic voice} Seems you really just want to save the Earth for your own selfish human needs. Haha But seriously we can not destroy Earth.

 

[Boxfarm]

Sorry Rabbit, this is not aimed at you...

Sorry Rabbit, this is not aimed at you...

Big money drives policy. And petroleum is the ultimate in big money. Exxon is infamous for it's surreptitious funding to influence the study of human caused climate change. Then there's the Koch brothers... The parallels with the cigarette industry are striking. You are right that technological advances in alternate clean energy sources will eventually make drilling oil uneconomical. In fact the process has moved quite a ways down the road in other countries. The US energy markets are still shackled to fossil fuels though. The push to accelerate coal extraction, and oil and gas drilling seems to be more about making the richest people richer than preparing for future needs.

I don't think Trump gives a flying fuck about the environment. I think it is ironic however, that his deregulation policies (if he follows through) will open the door to a new wave of research and development in nuclear energy and possibly have a more positive impact on the environment than any other president in American history. Don't Shoot! Hear me out...

I too am intrigued by the advances in nuclear energy, especially the small reactors. But once again our energy policy is controlled by big money. And big money wants big centralized power generation, which sets us up for big failures. Worst case scenarios aren't fantasy. This was shown by Fukushima which was greatly the result of massive greed and corruption. Humanity will be haunted by that ongoing catastrophe for countless generations to come. Nuclear energy is not clean. We can instead accomplish a lot by utilizing that big fusion reactor in the sky if only we set ourselves to it.

Yes, climate changes. And we have been living in a long period of climatic stability. But with recent years we keep setting new records for high temperatures. Atmospheric CO2 as measured on the Mauna Loa observatory has shown a steady stair-step increase (stair-step because of seasonal intake and release of CO2 by annual plants). Oceans are acidifying from absorption of increasing atmospheric CO2 with negative effects upon marine life. Weather patterns are changing radically. All of this is explainable by CO2 released from human activity. Is there an alternative observed phenomena that can explain all these occurrences?

Do me favor, google "Integral Fast Reactor". This is not a technology that in in development. It exists right now. Two separate IFR reactors have been built, tested and both performed flawlessly way back in 1984. The project was getting ready to roll out its first commercial reactor in the US when the whole program was shut down by congress in 1994 (environmental lobbyists). I believe a version of the IFR is being used all over France right now. I would agree that current US nuclear power plants cannot be considered safe due to the potential for catastrophic nuclear disasters we've seen.

I think, as a conservative, you and I have a lot more in common than you think. If we would all stop hating each other and start working together and having intelligent conversations, we would not be where we are today. I am not specifically talking to you Crusader Rabbit. After I wrote my first post, I went back and read through this entire thread. To be honest with you I am disgusted. Not only because I figured a website dedicated to growing marijuana would be the last place you would find this political bullshit, but also because this is the problem with our country today. So, I am about to get up on my soapbox and vent a little bit.

I am not the type to even get involved in political discussions, so all the toxic liberal trolls on here (and don't pretend you are anything else), don't bother baiting me. This will be my last post on this thread.

I am probably like most Trump voters out there. I am not racist or sexist, or uneducated. I think that for a long time now, the country that I love has been headed down a terrible road. A road that leads to socialism, globalism and the slow painful execution of the American dream. I don't like Trump. I think he is an arrogant self absorbed asshole who is in way over his head. I do however think that some of his policies (not all) are going to get us back on track. The alternative candidate offered NOTHING. In truth, I probably would have voted for Bernie if he had won the nomination.

Some of my family came here (legally) after the Vietnam war. They were wealthy in Vietnam and the communist government took EVERYTHING from them. They came to the US with nothing. Not one dollar. They were able to secure a small loan and used it to put a down payment on a bakery. They worked their asses off for 22 years in that bakery. They repaid the loan in just 2 years. My dad worked full time at the bakery and another full time job at a commercial bakery where I live in order to provide his family with health insurance and to be able to save some money to invest. They bought their first rental in the mid eighties and paid it off in 5 years. They never changed the modest lifestyle that the family grew accustom to or the long work hours. They leveraged that equity to buy another rental and paid that one off quickly as well. And so on, and so on until today. They managed to do all of that and to raise an extremely tight knit family who are all still very close to this day. They are both retired. They live in a beautiful house on the golf course with a Maserati and two Mercedes in the garage. That folks, is the American dream. No other country in the world offers that kind of opportunity. Especially to immigrants with very little money and limited proficiency in the English language.

As far as Trump's immigration policies, I agree with all of them. We need to secure our borders. Why do you think that most of Orange county voted for Trump? They are on the border. I live in Southern California. I see the problem every day. I don't hate Mexicans. I think there is a right way to immigrate and a wrong way. My family didn't expect their DMV paperwork to be written in Vietnamese. They learned English! They didn't expect our government to provide them with insurance, they earned it. They didn't expect any handouts. They worked their asses off! That is the price you pay for freedom. You are in control of your destiny. Not the government. How long do you think it would take the muslim world to shut their borders down to America if the bible condoned killing muslims? They would be vetting the shit out of us! This is common sense people.

My Trump vote had nothing to do with race or sexism or Muslims. It was about ideas and policies that expand the middle class, provide jobs and make healthcare more affordable and keep our country safe. Lets re negotiate NAFTA eliminate the liberal policies and regulations that have decimated the middle class and CAUSED the unequal distribution of wealth in this country. Lets preserve the american dream.

Now this leads me to the big problem. I am not opposed to liberal ideas. Everyone has an opinion. I respect yours, why can't you respect mine. Instead I mostly hide the fact that I voted for Trump.
Not because I'm ashamed of my vote. It's because I get labeled as a racist, middle america redneck who hates women and Muslims. Wake up people! This election was about bigger issues for most of us that voted for him. I believe in gay rights, equality for women, and legalizing marijuana. I am also pro choice. My conservative views are mainly fiscal. Instead of trolling forums and bashing trump voters, why don't we have some intelligent discussions about the real problems we are facing as Americans. You may not like Trump, but he is now your President. Your policies are not working by at least 50% of Americans standards. Give someone else a go. I think if you actually sat down and talked to a Trump voter with an open mind (instead of trying to cram your opinion down my throat) we might actually make some good things happen.

 

[subrob]

Read the bio the author was part of the Bill Clinton white house, funny how you believe everything a leftist journalists says. Remember these are the same so called journalists who gave Hillary Clinton debate questions in advance.

If you want to be taken seriously stop quoting people who have worked for the Clintons. And yes pay to play is Classic Clinton, these fools rented out the Lincoln bedroom, made hundreds of millions of dollars on a government salary, and swindled the Hatian people out half a billion in aid. Oops Hillary's brother also got the 2nd Haitian mining contract in 50 years, nothing to see here move along. Oh look Trump did this and that, Trump clubbed a baby seal, he kicked a handicappedkid, he's in bed with the Russians. Come on you truly believe this crap? I have to question your sanity.

Dude...wtf are you going on about? I was referring specifically to your point about Clinton. And you didn't even acknowledge my question
I was actually AGREEING w your assessment of her! I came to that conclusion long ago! Long before you I can assure you. I didn't need to wait until the right put the country on hold and spent millions of dollars to ask her the same three question 154 times in three years-ensuring she would be in the news every day and bolstering their chances of winning.
Anyway...
Let me ask you...do you hold ALL politicians to the standard you hold Hillary to? Who is/was worse for America her or bill?

 

[subrob]

I don't think Trump gives a flying fuck about the environment. I think it is ironic however, that his deregulation policies (if he follows through) will open the door to a new wave of research and development in nuclear energy and possibly have a more positive impact on the environment than any other president in American history. Don't Shoot! Hear me out...



Do me favor, google "Integral Fast Reactor". This is not a technology that in in development. It exists right now. Two separate IFR reactors have been built, tested and both performed flawlessly way back in 1984. The project was getting ready to roll out its first commercial reactor in the US when the whole program was shut down by congress in 1994 (environmental lobbyists). I believe a version of the IFR is being used all over France right now. I would agree that current US nuclear power plants cannot be considered safe due to the potential for catastrophic nuclear disasters we've seen.

I think, as a conservative, you and I have a lot more in common than you think. If we would all stop hating each other and start working together and having intelligent conversations, we would not be where we are today. I am not specifically talking to you Crusader Rabbit. After I wrote my first post, I went back and read through this entire thread. To be honest with you I am disgusted. Not only because I figured a website dedicated to growing marijuana would be the last place you would find this political bullshit, but also because this is the problem with our country today. So, I am about to get up on my soapbox and vent a little bit.

I am not the type to even get involved in political discussions, so all the toxic liberal trolls on here (and don't pretend you are anything else), don't bother baiting me. This will be my last post on this thread.

I am probably like most Trump voters out there. I am not racist or sexist, or uneducated. I think that for a long time now, the country that I love has been headed down a terrible road. A road that leads to socialism, globalism and the slow painful execution of the American dream. I don't like Trump. I think he is an arrogant self absorbed asshole who is in way over his head. I do however think that some of his policies (not all) are going to get us back on track. The alternative candidate offered NOTHING. In truth, I probably would have voted for Bernie if he had won the nomination.

Some of my family came here (legally) after the Vietnam war. They were wealthy in Vietnam and the communist government took EVERYTHING from them. They came to the US with nothing. Not one dollar. They were able to secure a small loan and used it to put a down payment on a bakery. They worked their asses off for 22 years in that bakery. They repaid the loan in just 2 years. My dad worked full time at the bakery and another full time job at a commercial bakery where I live in order to provide his family with health insurance and to be able to save some money to invest. They bought their first rental in the mid eighties and paid it off in 5 years. They never changed the modest lifestyle that the family grew accustom to or the long work hours. They leveraged that equity to buy another rental and paid that one off quickly as well. And so on, and so on until today. They managed to do all of that and to raise an extremely tight knit family who are all still very close to this day. They are both retired. They live in a beautiful house on the golf course with a Maserati and two Mercedes in the garage. That folks, is the American dream. No other country in the world offers that kind of opportunity. Especially to immigrants with very little money and limited proficiency in the English language.

As far as Trump's immigration policies, I agree with all of them. We need to secure our borders. Why do you think that most of Orange county voted for Trump? They are on the border. I live in Southern California. I see the problem every day. I don't hate Mexicans. I think there is a right way to immigrate and a wrong way. My family didn't expect their DMV paperwork to be written in Vietnamese. They learned English! They didn't expect our government to provide them with insurance, they earned it. They didn't expect any handouts. They worked their asses off! That is the price you pay for freedom. You are in control of your destiny. Not the government. How long do you think it would take the muslim world to shut their borders down to America if the bible condoned killing muslims? They would be vetting the shit out of us! This is common sense people.

My Trump vote had nothing to do with race or sexism or Muslims. It was about ideas and policies that expand the middle class, provide jobs and make healthcare more affordable and keep our country safe. Lets re negotiate NAFTA eliminate the liberal policies and regulations that have decimated the middle class and CAUSED the unequal distribution of wealth in this country. Lets preserve the american dream.

Now this leads me to the big problem. I am not opposed to liberal ideas. Everyone has an opinion. I respect yours, why can't you respect mine. Instead I mostly hide the fact that I voted for Trump.
Not because I'm ashamed of my vote. It's because I get labeled as a racist, middle america redneck who hates women and Muslims. Wake up people! This election was about bigger issues for most of us that voted for him. I believe in gay rights, equality for women, and legalizing marijuana. I am also pro choice. My conservative views are mainly fiscal. Instead of trolling forums and bashing trump voters, why don't we have some intelligent discussions about the real problems we are facing as Americans. You may not like Trump, but he is now your President. Your policies are not working by at least 50% of Americans standards. Give someone else a go. I think if you actually sat down and talked to a Trump voter with an open mind (instead of trying to cram your opinion down my throat) we might actually make some good things happen.

Hey boxfarm...
Couple things:
I don't have the energy or attn span to put that much energy into a post. But I appreciate it when others do
I'm a Democrat and I don't have any problems w the idea of a secure border. Or forcing people to immigrate here lawfully like my families did from France Sweden and the Netherlands
There are a number of issues I lean right
But...as far as keeping an open mind w a trump supporter because not all are the stereotype...very true...but please understand the trump supporters many of us deal w most of the time...well...look at the difference between your posts and other trump supportersThat's what we deal w
I can't even remember what my fukn point was...time for some rosin

 

[Boxfarm]

I can't even remember what my fukn point was...time for some rosin

AMEN brother

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Wow Packerfan, your reading comprehension is simply atrocious. Your preconceptions seem to have blinded you somehow. I will keep this in mind if I ever read anything you post again.

Every partisan political news media has been trying not happening buddy. The guy writing the article was part of the Clinton white house. No spin there.Hillary has closer ties to Russia, don t forget she set up the transfer of 20 % of the U.S. uranium reserves to a Kremlin controlled company. For a multi million dollar donation to the Clinton Foundation. Pay to play , classic Clinton.

Read the bio the author was part of the Bill Clinton white house, funny how you believe everything a leftist journalists says. Remember these are the same so called journalists who gave Hillary Clinton debate questions in advance.

The author of the article is Bill Palmer. I don't see anything to indicate that he was part of the Clinton White House. The former Clinton administration member is Bill Wilson, who is Palmer's original source for the story that two different grand juries have been convened to investigate charges that the Trump campaign was knowingly receiving assistance from the Russians. As the title of the article explains, a second individual, Rick Wilson, who is a Republican strategist, affirmed that he had independently obtained the same information regarding two grand juries investigating what are essentially charges of high treason. The point Palmer's making, is that there are now two sources from opposite sides of the political spectrum who verify this story.

They're all going to jail. The whole cabal.

Republican strategist Rick Wilson confirms grand juries underway in Donald Trump’s Russia scandal

By Bill Palmer
Updated: 8:20 pm EDT Sat Apr 29, 2017 | 0 Home » Opinion

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Last night Palmer Report brought you the story of an inside source asserting that multiple grand juries are underway in Donald Trump’s Russia scandal, with one of them nearing completion. Now another source emanating from the other side of the political aisle is relying on different inside sourcing to confirm the same thing.


The storyline began twenty hours ago when Washington insider Claude Taylor from the Bill Clinton White House tweeted that his inside source had told him that “two grand juries have convened” and that “one is almost complete” (link). Then this evening, longtime Republican strategist Rick Wilson responded to Taylor with a single definitive word: “same” (link). Taylor then went on to explain that he and Wilson had not communicated on this matter and were not relying on each other’s sourcing.

Considering that Wilson and Taylor are from opposite sides of the political aisle, it’s nearly a given that they’re not coincidentally and unknowingly relying on the same source. That means this story is now confirmed from multiple sources and can be treated accordingly. So what does it mean for Donald Trump and his Russia scandal?

As Palmer Report pointed out last night (link), grand juries nearly always return indictments. The standard for an indictment is merely that there are reasonable grounds for a case, and prosecutors don’t waste their time convening a grand jury unless they already have the evidence to demonstrate those grounds. So this means that multiple indictments are on their way in the Trump-Russia scandal, and one of them is coming very soon.

There's a lot more at http://www.palmerreport.com/

Some of you might also be interested in Patribiotics, the blog of Louise Mensch (a former member of British Parliament) who is breaking a lot of news items about the Trump-Russia collusion.

https://patribotics.blog/

 

[Jhhnn]

Every partisan political news media has been trying not happening buddy. The guy writing the article was part of the Clinton white house. No spin there.Hillary has closer ties to Russia, don t forget she set up the transfer of 20 % of the U.S. uranium reserves to a Kremlin controlled company. For a multi million dollar donation to the Clinton Foundation. Pay to play , classic Clinton.

That's post-truth Trumpism-

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

It's always interesting how Trump supporters manage to divert discussion into their own mistaken beliefs, digging themselves a deeper hole.

The CFIUS approved the deal & it's a helluva lot bigger than just Hillary-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Foreign_Investment_in_the_United_States

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the unfolding horror story of the Trump Admin. Trump's right about one thing- the blind loyalty of his supporters. They're still in thrall to the world's greatest charlatan.

 

[packerfan79]

The best thing about Trump is that he makes liberals so mad they can't even think straight. Lol.it really is funny, Grand jury hum, haven't seen Trump called before a grand jury. I Would think the leaks of the fisa court surveillance of Trump is the real story. When Don lemon says there is nothing to see here, you better open your eyes. The media is playing you guys like a fiddle.