True Terpenes VISCOSITY extract liquifier LAB TESTS: Mineral oil but no terps!!

[slant.i]

just wanted to point out slant.i has not updated and corrected this lie over at future420. he posted a lie about what Graywolf wrote in reponse to a question by someone over there about an udpate to this issue.

Just in case anyone thought he was here for an honest discussion. He isnt.

https://future4200.com/t/true-terpenes/12544/174

A lie would imply I am intentionally misleading or misrepresenting facts. If I have gotten something wrong, please let me know what I got wrong.

Here is the quote that I have taken it from, with the important text bolded for your convenience.

At this point, why would either party have more or less credibility until the sample results are in?

Until they are in, how can anyone be already tried and convicted?

Not digging their hole any deeper and on advice of counsel have been offered as the reason for TT's silence.

If we walk around the elephant to look at it from both sides, what others should we include to be fair and unbiased?

It will be a couple more weeks before we have the test results back from the two samples that I sent in, but I do know what the results were when the lab of my choice originally tested TT Viscosity when it first came out.

It doesn't give us the answer we are looking for, and indeed adds to the mystery, because that sample was a triterpene.

If the new samples are different, it could be for a number reasons, including that TT changed the formula since that time.

If they haven't changed the formula and they are different, a whole different follow through investigation is called for, and yet another if my samples, Future4200, and Old Golds come out different from one another.

Of course another possibility is that all the above samples agree, but not with EN's sample results, sending the investigation in other directions, which include all the different ways that might be possible.

Adding to the fun, another associate of mine dropped by two different samples of Viscosity decanted from larger bottles of different lot numbers, so are suitable as reference only, but I also forwarded them to the lab for comparison.

Also, to address your accusations of me joining only for this thread, and being equally anonymous as you. That isn't true, at least not entirely. I did join ICmag because of your post on reddit, where I have had an account for over a year. slant_i_guy if anyone would like to check and confirm. Also, this is the same handle I use for my IG, so you can contact me there as well. I make no attempts to be anonymous here, in fact, much of the opposite. If anyone would like proof of that, @slant.i is my IG, which has been active since 2012? maybe longer.

It really is your attempts to discredit anyone who questions you, or the validity of the evidence you present, that makes me question your motives. It was this seemingly off-base accusations on reddit that led me to create an account here. I have no horse in the race, I am interested in science and am a stoner at heart.

You, on the other hand, have admitted to needing to conceal your identity, so I really don't think you are in a place to question anyone's motives.

Thank you for giving me the chance to introduce myself, but based on your interactions with others, particularly future, I feel our interaction will lead to nothing more productive. I'm looking forward to seeing what the others' test will say.

 

[ExtractNinja]

A lie would imply I am intentionally misleading or misrepresenting facts. If I have gotten something wrong, please let me know what I got wrong.

Here is the quote that I have taken it from, with the important text bolded for your convenience.

You, on the other hand, have admitted to needing to conceal your identity, so I really don't think you are in a place to question anyone's motives.

And yet the false claim remains at Future420 thats why its a lie. if it was a mistake you would have fixed it when I first wrote about your post days ago but you havent. Not even now.

I am not trying to discredit you just pointing out youre lying over at future420. Saying things Graywolf never claimed.

I call balls and strikes. Thats how this thread started. Lab tests found no terps but did find mineral oil substance. So I called a foul ball with this thread.

 

[slant.i]

For being such a straight shooter you are terrible at explaining yourself. I've asked you to explain how my statement was a lie, as I made no attempts at misleading anyone, even linking to the source that I had paraphrased. I'm not sure what the claim of mine you are saying is false, so the fact that you keep repeated yourself doesn't add validity to your claim of me lying....

I'd love to correct any facts I have gotten wrong, but much beyond that I see no reason to keep circling with you, as I find myself repeating the same thing. It seems you are either unable or unwilling to progress, so again, I have no interest in continuing any interaction with you beyond correcting the facts.

Call me a lair, but it just adds to the list of unfounded claims you have made, as evidenced by this thread.

 

[Weird]

lemme stop you right there,


you say they as in TT?


I say the laws need to be changed to protect US and our interests

not their own (as in business)



hope that is clear enough for you now

unacceptable to use my quotes out of context


if they had a true value added formula they would have great motivation to ensure it is delivered as such since it is the formula they tout as superior in form and function

 

[ExtractNinja]

For being such a straight shooter you are terrible at explaining yourself. I've asked you to explain how my statement was a lie, as I made no attempts at misleading anyone, even linking to the source that I had paraphrased. I'm not sure what the claim of mine you are saying is false, so the fact that you keep repeated yourself doesn't add validity to your claim of me lying....

I'd love to correct any facts I have gotten wrong, but much beyond that I see no reason to keep circling with you, as I find myself repeating the same thing. It seems you are either unable or unwilling to progress, so again, I have no interest in continuing any interaction with you beyond correcting the facts.

Call me a lair, but it just adds to the list of unfounded claims you have made, as evidenced by this thread.

You cant be for real i already pointed out your lie on page 55 days ago. You didnt paraphrase anything you just lied. Graywold didn't "get back" any test results. You implied he got HIS test results back. The only thing he wrote is the lab told him THEY tested Visocisty when it first came out like 4-5 years ago. He had nothing do to with that test. So your simply lying to try and muddy the waters its really obvious. I already explainted this to you:

I notice you posted something close to this at futur4200 but you twisted the truth and said graywolf got viscosity tested. Thats a stright up lie. And it seems your spamming both forums. Heres your lie: "He also mentioned that a result he got back from an unsealed bottle showed a triterpene."

He did no such thing.

He wrote the lab once tested viscosity and found a triterpene but he didn't say they only found a triterpene. that triterp woudl be squalane not squalene. I had all labs looks for squalene and none was found and I had one of labs looks for squalane after someone suggstsed it, and that was also not found. What graywolf did say was someone he knows poured off a sample that graywolf is getting tested at the same lab as the two samples he himeslf purchased.

I also meniotned that the 3rd lab bought a bottle of mineral oil from the store and tested it, and both chromatagrams were so similar they think its some type of mineral oil. And like someone at futur4200 pointed out there are things extracted from plants that are plant based mineral oil substance (and arent terps) which shouldnt be vaped.

 

[Weird]

the fact that he is having a strawman argument because the company in question is believed to be acting fraudulent is a huge tell

imho the community gets what it deserves because it is a reflection of cumulative intention and integrity for which there is always a segment of people who irrationally lower the bar because they think they will lose out if they don't

it's all good tbh because integrity is my value add and it pays well


people who think law is required to enforce integrity are projecting their inability to express integrity without not to mention that any law is the lowest collective bar we can set


Imagine I had waited for the law to do the right thing in regards to marijuana

 

[MrBungle]

Yea I realize I screwed up when I read the links about Dr Pappas and Essential Oils University... I thought that he and Essential Oils University tested DoTerra essential oils on their own.... but it was in fact for another competitor.... He also called out the samples himself as tainted... which I thought they were found to be tainted by another source.... It was my lack of reading comprehension that brought me to those conclusions.... maybe I was high.. I don't remember at this point, but all I can do is offer my apologies to EOU and Dr Pappas...



I still would like to see more lab results regardless, but this changes the situation slightly in my eyes.. I'm starting to see the light Weird...

 

[Weird]

Please don't think it is a targeted attack on a person but rather a challenge to mindsets that are shaped by a collective capitalistic system that is not longer balanced



do not doubt it acts as a powerful catalyst to this type of behavior and the way to evoke lasting change is for people to see the causation and effect behind their words and actions



I HATE being that guy but I hate the marginalization of humanity more

 

[Rico Swazi]

I agree on the 'challenge to mindsets' weird, tho I believe your focus on the evil doers is misguided. My focus to challenge mindsets is on the laws that permit the actions to go unpunished. Like the old saying, 'a locked door only keeps the honest people out'


Every time a discussion comes up about adulteration or misleading products, I ask people not to be so myopic and look at the bigger picture. Without full discloser laws to protect the consumer, the song remains the same.



PGRs in nutes, glyphosate in beer, time to tell big business to stop the dumb shit

 

[Rico Swazi]

one more thing
if TT is found immoral or lacking integrity, then by all means release the kraken
the question remains,,what about the next time?



I apologize for the off topic and any misunderstandings.
My frustration about the safety of our food supply is off the charts.

 

[Weird]

I agree on the 'challenge to mindsets' weird, tho I believe your focus on the evil doers is misguided. My focus to challenge mindsets is on the laws that permit the actions to go unpunished. Like the old saying, 'a locked door only keeps the honest people out'

Every time a discussion comes up about adulteration or misleading products, I ask people not to be so myopic and look at the bigger picture. Without full discloser laws to protect the consumer, the song remains the same.

PGRs in nutes, glyphosate in beer, time to tell big business to stop the dumb shit

The reason I am so passionate here is because I have been keen to the damage the corporate veil has had on humanity and earth. I could go on for DAYS about how profoundly this has effected my life.


I chose to make my moral stand in this industry decades ago and promised myself that I wouldn't leave when the greed dynamic causes these types of problems.


I argued the community to raise the bar when legality was on the horizon because the amount of profit here compared to other like agricultural models. The industry has the profit to afford a very necessary revolution without compromising income potential. I used this logic in my own efforts a decade ago and I am reaping the benefits now.



Holding myself to such a bar has always opened doors that I could have never imagined even being there to open. While the world focuses on the worst aspects of humanity there are many people out there who hold themselves to a higher standard and they welcome their own kind.

They generally don't attempt to directly educate those who haven't to the reasons why they should and rise to the challenge when they resist let alone attack your character (common in the organic or chem debates).


Hopefully many people shape their business efforts more successfully and achieve more over the term of their efforts because of it.

Am I overly committed? in a day and age when people act as such would anything less be the change I want to see in the world?

 

[DenverJim]

This is all very interesting. I have a sample of a product called Terpenez. I used it a little.
I went to Indoexpo in Denver a couple of months ago. It’s geared to factory production by the way. There are com ponies selling pure organic terpines distilled from plants that you can spray on your finished product.
The government and industrial pot industry is becoming a self generating money machine for both.
I just got an email 7gms of oil for $100. They process the whole plant for oil. Factory weed at its best.

 

[Cvh]

@Graywolf, is it possible to give us an update?
Do you happen to have any results in?

Thanks.

 

[Gray Wolf]

@Graywolf, is it possible to give us an update?
Do you happen to have any results in?

Thanks.

Sorry, not yet.

I confirmed that they had received all four samples, and were in the queue, but no results yet.

As it is ostensibly a mixture, it will take multiple tests to sort them out.

 

[CannaRed]

I bet TT is extremely happy that the cannabis community has shifted so much attention towards the Phylos scandal.

 

[Ringodoggie]

What's a Phylos scandal? LOL

 

[CannaRed]

What's a Phylos scandal? LOL

Lol. TT just released a new product. What Viscosity scandal?

 

[Ringodoggie]

LMAO... oops, sorry. I am reading it now. LOL


What's Viscosity.

 

[WaterFarmFan]

I have had my popcorn out a few times reading this thread, as I have spent a decent amount of $ buying TT isolates (not Viscosity). At a very minimum, it seems apparent that they shit the bed by changing Viscosity's description from terpene only based, and thus acknowledging some non-terpene chemical tom-foolery. The lack of any subsequent response from TT is beyond abhorrent, and IMHO, reveals a deep pathology in management that favors secrecy and profits over transparency and accountability.

The warning labels that accompany their products provide for no safe means for consumption. My personal thesis (in using isolates) is that if these compounds are naturally found in the cannabis plant, than it is safe, or as safe as consuming bud, if added back in roughly the same percentages (10:1 - 5:1) of THC to Terpenes as found in cured flowers.

I look forward to seeing the lab results, but it is beyond me why anyone would buy a product where they purposefully wont list the ingredients. I would guess that they added organic (possibly non-terpene) compounds to intentionally mask the GC-MS results, so these will likely land with a dull thud, but I certainly trust GW, far more so than Barr, to give us a nice executive summary.

To be fair, my experiences with TT have been positive, and when compared to Extract Consultants, their isolates seems to be of identical quality.

My 2 cents is that if you are using/making extracts, know what compounds you are putting in, and that means not using any secret formula like Viscosity...

WFF

 

[ExtractNinja]

Lol. TT just released a new product. What Viscosity scandal?

Do you mean their new dilutants?

I heard one new dilutant is only terps (they claim) and its for CBD and THC. But thats odd because they also claimed terps cant dissolve CBD way back when (2 monhts ago) when they were still claiming Viscosity is 100% terps.

That was a lie by TT when they claimed terps cant dissolove CBD. TT lied to provide an excuse for why Visocisty cant be used with CBD. That means TT lied about terps not dissolving CBD to cover up their other lie about Viscosity being 100% terps.

The lies just dont stop with this company. They will say only what suits them when it suits them and they dont care if its a lie or not. This shows even more that TT is shady AF. Seems like we cant believe one thing they claim.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181216010142/https://buy-terpenes.com/faq/

Can I use Viscosity with CBD?

When working with CBD isolate, it is important to know that terpenes (including VISCOSITY Extract Liquifier) WILL NOT dissolve crystallized CBD. Generally this includes CBD oils, distillate, and isolate.

Another product I heard TT is reasling is a copy of the Abstrax dilutant made of TEC and terps. And also they are now selling c8 which is some type of mct as another dilutant.