CannaRed
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So you mean the lab results can be "bought" using the lab that ninja used?
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True Terpenes VISCOSITY extract liquifier LAB TESTS: Mineral oil but no terps!!
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So you mean the lab results can be "bought" using the lab that ninja used?
MrBungle
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Excellent points, as always, Gray Wolf.
I was mistaken to imply guilt on either party at this point, and it wasn't my intent. I was mostly just trying to explain why I think it's a mistake to assume judgment either way.
So, if the results showed triterpene, what does that seem to suggest about EN's test results? That they tested a different batch, and TT either changed the formula or failed QC? Assuming the results are true and accurate.
I was mistaken to imply guilt on either party at this point, and it wasn't my intent. I was mostly just trying to explain why I think it's a mistake to assume judgment either way.
So, if the results showed triterpene, what does that seem to suggest about EN's test results? That they tested a different batch, and TT either changed the formula or failed QC? Assuming the results are true and accurate.
I agree with GW that it is still too early to make judgements, but this is a very interesting fact I had overlooked. It certainly does offer another potential motive, financial gain through lawsuit.
Actually after reading those articles, they paint Dr. Pappas as an unbiased scientist who refused to smudge the truth on behalf of the essential oil company who was paying him. And presumably the case he was testifying in was dropped because the company suing the other was guilty as well, at least according to Dr. Pappas. And his employer at the time, Lebermoth Company, stood behind him when the essential oil company was trying to get him to retract his statement.
So, in light of all that, a test by Dr. Pappas does carry some weight as being non-biased. But again, the problem is that we must assume EN's credibility in all of this.
Alright, I'm really done with the speculations until the tests come in. Sorry I can't edit my posts yet so my mess is here for all to see.
interestingly enough it seems you both created your accounts for the purpose of this thread
I highly doubt with at least 90% certainty that EN did not go through these motions as a opposing manufacturer to take out the competition
outside of that the company itself failed my integrity test already and for those who think keeping the formula proprietary as a sole strategy for capitalization is wrong as many products in legal markets do so already without detriment to market share
I have to agree with Weird on this one. Secret recipes often list ingredients. We all know what's in Coke. It's listed on the can. TT could have come forward in the very beginning and listed their ingredients. As mentioned above, other companies do this without loosing market.
Some may reserve judgement until tests come in but I spent enough years in the courtroom to know guilt from innocence when I see it. Regardless of any upcoming test results, IMO... guilty as charged. And, probably more that we don't know. Criminals don't generally just commit just ONE crime.
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Some may reserve judgement until tests come in but I spent enough years in the courtroom to know guilt from innocence when I see it. Regardless of any upcoming test results, IMO... guilty as charged. And, probably more that we don't know. Criminals don't generally just commit just ONE crime.
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I doubt TT actually has anything to do with the ads on your phone. You did some searches or something with your phone and it's in your search engine cache. I don't know much about phones but you might try flushing your browser's cache.
I am not a big mobile user but you might look into Firefox Focus....
Firefox Focus is a free and open-source privacy-focused browser from Mozilla, available for Android and iOS smartphones and tablets. Firefox Focus was initially a tracker-blocking application for mobile iOS devices, released in December 2015. It was developed into a minimalistic web browser shortly afterwards. Wikipedia
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/mobile/
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I am not a big mobile user but you might look into Firefox Focus....
Firefox Focus is a free and open-source privacy-focused browser from Mozilla, available for Android and iOS smartphones and tablets. Firefox Focus was initially a tracker-blocking application for mobile iOS devices, released in December 2015. It was developed into a minimalistic web browser shortly afterwards. Wikipedia
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/mobile/
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I've heard only good things about Dr Pappas and Lebermuth, and would expect nothing but a professional analysis from either.
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MrBungle
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I'm reserving my judgement for when Gray Wolf's lab results are shared with us... I don't blame EN for bringing this potentially hazardous product to our attention... I just think he used scare tactics to sway people's opinions without providing enough relevant evidence...
And only 1 or 2 tests is not enough. In fact the only test we can track is a test from a lab known to use the same scare tactics and has been proven to be phony....
Maybe Extract Ninja and Essential Oils University aren't affiliated, but it sure smells like something is rotten in Denmark...
That doesn't take TT off the hook completely.... We still need more tests and info on the ingredients used.... More transparency.. live up to your name and be true to your consumers
And only 1 or 2 tests is not enough. In fact the only test we can track is a test from a lab known to use the same scare tactics and has been proven to be phony....
Maybe Extract Ninja and Essential Oils University aren't affiliated, but it sure smells like something is rotten in Denmark...
That doesn't take TT off the hook completely.... We still need more tests and info on the ingredients used.... More transparency.. live up to your name and be true to your consumers
thailer
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TT gave future4200 a couple weeks ago a wave test to post on his forum and the graph used was arranged differently so the peak was high but when you compared the numbers/results, they matched EN test. i don't understand how to read the tests and am just a curious person who started trying to learn about carts just recently. the members there though basically said that it matched and that even if it isn't mineral oil, it behaves like it and they offered up what they think it is. then they said that all oils of this type are not good to smoke just like mineral oil.
tbh I am blown away at many of the perceptions here. At some point ignorance is innocent and then it crosses a line. This type of product crosses a line due to lack of medical testing to begin with. Once one line is crossed it ain't breaking the cherry to cross another. The lack of absolute disclosure even before this debacle is unacceptable in that light and really underlines the businesses goal of proprietary over people.
You know what, FUCK THEM.
Nobody knows what is in Coke. Most of the ingredients are hidden in the ingredients list as 'natural and artificial flavors'. There is no way you or anyone else could re-create Coke, or even tell me what's in it.
are you implying secret ingredients aren't tested by the fda?
coke is legal and subject to testing
this product is meant to be vaporized and since this use is not tested clinically or through a governing group the consumer is left to determine risk and without knowing what the product is and without a quality control system there is no mechanism to guarantee delivery of such
Letting people operate without accountability is apathetic as it is to operate that way. There is no metric of quality control here, no disclosure of constituents, no commitment to consumer satisfaction past the collection of revenue for a promise on a label. One that can't be determined.
I wonder how that effects liability of those using it for chart manufacture and sale.
Funny you would use that example. I knew a chef who always used 'beaver piss' as an example of possible 'natural ingredients'. LMAO
All Natural...... remember when that was on every package of food on the shelves. Now, it's the green USDA 'organic' seal (which means about as much as the 'all natural' statement). LMAO
We eat shit these days. Almost nothing you eat is what you think it is. Even fresh fruits and vegetables are soaked in poison to kill mold and bacteria while it is being shipped. Can't recall the name Hectolepifin or some such poison.
So.... why not vape a little mineral oil, what the fuck. LMAO
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All Natural...... remember when that was on every package of food on the shelves. Now, it's the green USDA 'organic' seal (which means about as much as the 'all natural' statement). LMAO
We eat shit these days. Almost nothing you eat is what you think it is. Even fresh fruits and vegetables are soaked in poison to kill mold and bacteria while it is being shipped. Can't recall the name Hectolepifin or some such poison.
So.... why not vape a little mineral oil, what the fuck. LMAO
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This. Just because coke is legal and subject to testing doesn't mean their ingredient list is known- the FDA isn't doing that kind of testing...
Cellulose(wood pulp without the sap basically) is used in a lot of food products. Cellulose could be considered natural, safe, and even organic depending on how one chooses to define those words. It's purpose is basically to "cut" the food product. However, it's never a good look to get caught doing these types of things, despite being an apparently common practice among industry today. And even worse if you got caught lying and trying to cover up the fact you use it in your product.
At this point I'm less concerned with TT, as their reputation is already lost with me, and more interested in what we can learn about the industry as a whole. We are quick to villainize TT because EN brought it to our attention, but how many others in the industry are also guilty?
Rico Swazi
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the FDA lets the criminals hide behind the term 'natural'
'Inert', now changed to 'Other Ingredients', has greased the pockets of many at the EPA
When all said and done here, best to remember the regulations favoring greed are the true evil
I believe good people get the shaft simply because they follow the rules
whether or not this is the case of TT , This discussion should incite people everywhere to finally make a change to labeling laws worldwide.
'Inert', now changed to 'Other Ingredients', has greased the pockets of many at the EPA
When all said and done here, best to remember the regulations favoring greed are the true evil
I believe good people get the shaft simply because they follow the rules
whether or not this is the case of TT , This discussion should incite people everywhere to finally make a change to labeling laws worldwide.
