True Terpenes VISCOSITY extract liquifier LAB TESTS: Mineral oil but no terps!!

[growpuppet]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this statement in their SDS.

SDS - This product has not been evaluated for safe use in e-cigarettes or any vaping application where the product(s) is/are intentionally vaporized and inhaled. True Terpenes has performed no testing on these products in e-cig/vaping applications. It is the sole responsibility of the individual(s) purchasing the product to assess it's safety in the final application.


So while it's aimed at thinning concentrates (with the insinuation that you would use it to thin concentrates you were then going to vape/smoke) it's really up to you to decide if you want to actually vape/smoke it because they haven't tested it for that use, they don't have to tell you what's in it and they trying to cover their ass by stating the intended use is to just thin concentrates.

That speaks volumes to me. It says get the money while you can and when the shit hits the fan down the road (cuz not many health issues from things like smoking happen overnight), they'll be long gone while they laughed all the way to the bank.

So no testing, no long term affects known on the unknown ingredients, almost a bait and switch on the purpose/use of the product, and small companies which can disappear/close overnight. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

On another note.

I did see a new (to me) concentrate thinner recently. This one says it's all natual made from hemp and they actually list the ingrediants which is surprising, but...what the hell is 1-Heptanecarboxylic acid and Methylethylmethane (ingredients they listed). Are they "terpenes"? lol

 

[Mr D]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this statement in their SDS.

SDS - This product has not been evaluated for safe use in e-cigarettes or any vaping application where the product(s) is/are intentionally vaporized and inhaled. True Terpenes has performed no testing on these products in e-cig/vaping applications. It is the sole responsibility of the individual(s) purchasing the product to assess it's safety in the final application.

Was wondering when someone was going to notice that.

Also the GHS pictogram which does not have anything to do with vaping, it only speaks to product as it comes in the packaging.



So according to the SDS sheet provided by TT it's a human health hazard before you vape it.

Sorry their is no way you are going to make the case that this shit is safe even if further testing shows no mineral oil.

At the very least it would be a respiratory sensitizer at worst a carcinogen or respiration toxicity.

 

[Future4200]

Myrcene, a terpene commonly found and isolated from cannabis, also carries similar SDS warnings.

https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/m100005?lang=en&region=US

Specifically, H304 "May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways" Aspiration hazard


Concentrated terpenes are not safe to smoke, regardless of their source. The solution is dilution, because the poison is in the dose.

 

[MrBungle]

Someone mentioned the site was down recently... perhaps these are some of the updates that were made?

 

[Future4200]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this statement in their SDS.

SDS - This product has not been evaluated for safe use in e-cigarettes or any vaping application where the product(s) is/are intentionally vaporized and inhaled. True Terpenes has performed no testing on these products in e-cig/vaping applications. It is the sole responsibility of the individual(s) purchasing the product to assess it's safety in the final application.


So while it's aimed at thinning concentrates (with the insinuation that you would use it to thin concentrates you were then going to vape/smoke) it's really up to you to decide if you want to actually vape/smoke it because they haven't tested it for that use, they don't have to tell you what's in it and they trying to cover their ass by stating the intended use is to just thin concentrates.

That speaks volumes to me. It says get the money while you can and when the shit hits the fan down the road (cuz not many health issues from things like smoking happen overnight), they'll be long gone while they laughed all the way to the bank.

So no testing, no long term affects known on the unknown ingredients, almost a bait and switch on the purpose/use of the product, and small companies which can disappear/close overnight. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

On another note.

I did see a new (to me) concentrate thinner recently. This one says it's all natual made from hemp and they actually list the ingrediants which is surprising, but...what the hell is 1-Heptanecarboxylic acid and Methylethylmethane (ingredients they listed). Are they "terpenes"? lol

Is 7-Methyl-3-methylene-1,6-octadiene safe? Because its found in most cannabis strains and is commonly called Myrcene

 

[Mr D]

Before I post this let me say I have no dog in this fight I'm strictly a flower user. I don't use concentrates of any kind. What caught my eye from the beginning was curiosity.

All through this thread it's been about mineral oil and for some strange reason the SDS info was not addressed. So since TT won't disclose the ingredients of Viscosity let's look at another of there products.

They sell something called Tahoe OG profile which they call a "Strain".

According to their website a Strain is defined as:

Strain specific terpene profiles are premixed blends to match your favorite strain flavors.

When I open the SDS sheet for this product on TT's website I find this:
Classification of the substance or mixture - Acute toxicity, dermal (chapter 3.1), Cat. 5
- Acute toxicity, oral (chapter 3.1), Cat. 5
- Aspiration hazard (chapter 3.10), Cat. 1
- Flammable liquids (chapter 2.6), Cat. 3
- Hazardous to the aquatic environment - acute hazard (chapter 4.1), Cat. 1
- Hazardous to the aquatic environment - long-term hazard (chapter 4.1), Cat. 1
- Sensitization, skin (chapter 3.4), Cat. 1
- Skin corrosion/irritation (chapter 3.2), Cat. 2
- Eye damage/irritation (chapter 3.3), Cat. 2A
- Acute toxicity, dermal (chapter 3.1), Cat. 4
- Acute toxicity, inhalation (chapter 3.1), Cat. 4
- Acute toxicity, oral (chapter 3.1), Cat. 4
- Specific target organ toxicity, single exposure (chapter 3.8), Cat. 3
- Flammable liquids (chapter 2.6), Cat. 4
- Hazardous to the aquatic environment - acute hazard (chapter 4.1), Cat. 3
- Hazardous to the aquatic environment - long-term hazard (chapter 4.1), Cat. 3



https://buy-terpenes.com/certificates/sds/Tahoe_OG_SDS_True_Terpenes.pdf


So my question is what exactly are you marketing this for? Incense? Vaping? Other?

Acute Toxicity, inhalation rating of 4 ? Are you guys serious selling this stuff knowing it's intended use?

 

[Mr D]

Myrcene, a terpene commonly found and isolated from cannabis, also carries similar SDS warnings.

https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/m100005?lang=en&region=US

Specifically, H304 "May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways" Aspiration hazard


Concentrated terpenes are not safe to smoke, regardless of their source. The solution is dilution, because the poison is in the dose.

I just knew this deflection was coming.

The product in question viscosity, is marketed as a diluent.

 

[Future4200]

I just knew this deflection was coming.

The product in question viscosity, is marketed as a diluent.

A diluent made up of isolated terpenes. How is this a deflection?

Concentrated terpenes are toxic, regardless of the source.

 

[Mr D]

A diluent made up of isolated terpenes. How is this a deflection?

Concentrated terpenes are toxic, regardless of the source.

So are you saying that something that come with a health hazard warning needs to be diluted to be safe? Not sure I'm following you or why you would bring up the need to dilute a concentrated terpene in a discussion about a product marketed as a diluent.

Or are you willing to admit it's unhealthy at best to use viscosity to dilute cannabis concentrates for vaping?


Again I'll ask what is this exact purpose this product is marketed for ?

What is TT's recommended use for Tahoe OG profile?

 

[p0opstlnksal0t]

there is methanol in fruit juice... however methanol is a poison at "x" ppm when ingested or inhaled... there are minute amounts of "poison" in everything we eat and drink. if you look up an sds for many of the isolated vitamins in a multivitamin you will see toxicity is in dose.

 

[Mr D]

there is methanol in fruit juice... however methanol is a poison at "x" ppm when ingested or inhaled... there are minute amounts of "poison" in everything we eat and drink. if you look up an sds for many of the isolated vitamins in a multivitamin you will see toxicity is in dose.

Fruit juice is not require to list on it's SDS sheet that it's a poison.


Find me a warning on fruit juice that matches this beauty

Specific target organ toxicity, single exposure (chapter 3.8), Cat. 3

Single Exposure....wow

Isolated vitamins and minerals and plant compounds isolated by big pharma are all toxic. Just like isolated Terpenes. Good point.

I'm done now all the cards are on the table IMO so it's up to the consumer now. I don't care if viscosity does or does not contain mineral oil because to me the SDS sheet provided by TT tells all I need to know about these type of products.

Now I wonder if someone dies from using a product that comes with a 1/2 dozen toxicity warnings in conjunction with cannabis will these be the 1st deaths attributed to cannabis by the reefer madness types?

 

[Future4200]

So are you saying that something that come with a health hazard warning needs to be diluted to be safe? Not sure I'm following you or why you would bring up the need to dilute a concentrated terpene in a discussion about a product marketed as a diluent.

Or are you willing to admit it's unhealthy at best to use viscosity to dilute cannabis concentrates for vaping?


Again I'll ask what is this exact purpose this product is marketed for ?

What is TT's recommended use for Tahoe OG profile?

All terpenes need to be diluted, typically in our industry thats done with an extract, to be consumed safely.

Terpenes in the flower are very diluted, thus relatively safe. Extract and concentrate those cannabis derived terpenes, and they become just as toxic as terpenes derived from any other plant source.

 

[p0opstlnksal0t]

Fruit juice is not require to list on it's SDS sheet that it's a poison.


Find me a warning on fruit juice that matches this beauty

Specific target organ toxicity, single exposure (chapter 3.8), Cat. 3

Single Exposure....wow

Isolated vitamins and minerals and plant compounds isolated by big pharma are all toxic. Just like isolated Terpenes. Good point.

I'm done now all the cards are on the table IMO so it's up to the consumer now. I don't care if viscosity does or does not contain mineral oil because to me the SDS sheet provided by TT tells all I need to know about these type of products.

Now I wonder if someone dies from using a product that comes with a 1/2 dozen toxicity warnings in conjunction with cannabis will these be the 1st deaths attributed to cannabis by the reefer madness types?

it's not necessary to list the SDS of methanol because it's in low concentration meaning the poison is in the dosage look up the SDS for methanol

 

[Future4200]

it's not necessary to list the SDS of methanol because it's in low concentration meaning the poison is in the dosage look up the SDS for methanol

Exactly

 

[Mr D]

Fellas I'm done here. Like I said I don't use these type of products. Feel free to keep quoting me and dodging the hard questions.

Acute toxicity, inhalation (chapter 3.1), Cat. 4
Acute toxicity, oral (chapter 3.1), Cat. 4
Specific target organ toxicity, single exposure (chapter 3.8), Cat. 3

Maybe you'll be honest enough to tell anyone else interested in this thread what it is that TT believes the intended use of Tahoe OG profile is for the end user? You are marketing cannabis strains terpene profiles. Why, what am I supposed to do with it?

 

[Future4200]

Fellas I'm done here. Like I said I don't use these type of products. Feel free to keep quoting me and dodging the hard questions.

Acute toxicity, inhalation (chapter 3.1), Cat. 4
Acute toxicity, oral (chapter 3.1), Cat. 4
Specific target organ toxicity, single exposure (chapter 3.8), Cat. 3

Maybe you'll be honest enough to tell anyone else interested in this thread what it is that TT believes the intended use of Tahoe OG profile is for the end user? You are marketing cannabis strains terpene profiles. Why, what am I supposed to do with it?

Have you ever looked at the SDS for toothpaste?

Water is toxic if you drink to much of it as well.

 

[slant.i]

It's clear that anything can become toxic at high enough levels and harmless at low enough levels. Can't argue that fact.

So the question becomes, in the amounts that viscosity(and other similar products including terpenes) is typically used, does the end user receive a dose that is either acutely or accumatively toxic? Or maybe better yet, at what amounts do these products become toxic?

 

[slant.i]

Another question is what happens to these chemicals when subjected to heat? Do the SDS even apply once the product has been vaporized?

 

[gh0stm0de]

This product was intended to used at a concentration of 10% or less, as well.

 

[p0opstlnksal0t]

It's clear that anything can become toxic at high enough levels and harmless at low enough levels. Can't argue that fact.

So the question becomes, in the amounts that viscosity(and other similar products including terpenes) is typically used, does the end user receive a dose that is either acutely or accumatively toxic? Or maybe better yet, at what amounts do these products become toxic?

I don't think there's enough testing to know those thresholds. As far as what I can tell there's more scientific studies that show as long as it's not combusted at 500+degrees PG, peg vg and.mct are no more harmful (maybe even less so) then terpenes themselves