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top of the heap to third world status in one generation

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moose eater

A rather impressive quake just rolled through this area. Odd to the feel the ground move and was strange seeing large trees tremble.

No damage, here, sure do hope all is well elsewhere.


Magnitude 6.6 earthquake
Affected countries: United States and Mexico
11 miles from Ridgecrest, CA · 10:33 AM

When we've had serious tremors here, I typically reference the Janis Joplin Lp, 'Cheap Thrills':biggrin:
 
M

moose eater

Opened up a fresh page on the computer, and in the interim, the page noted that your quake is/was centered ENE of Bakersfield. Crops and dust.
 

Gry

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Looks like they have downgraded it a bit since;
Magnitude 6.4 earthquake
11 miles from Ridgecrest, CA · 10:33 AM


Still more impressive than past shakers
I have felt here.
 
M

moose eater

Just right for real couch surfing.

We had a 7.9 here, centered about 85 miles to my south, maybe ~10 years ago. Perhaps a bit longer.

My old boiler back then was atop an L-bracket made of welded 2" angle steel, above a 40-gallon 'low-boy', super-insulated H2O tempering tank, with the L-bracket bolted into the concrete slab in the basement, and it was swaying.

I was on the phone with a friend in the bush who had larger aquariums, and he and his then-wife were spreading their arms, touching each others finger tips, restraining fish tanks that were sloshing about, while his kids did as told, and exited the structure, to the great, better engineered outdoors. He was maybe 35-40 miles to the center.

I went upstairs, to the top of our fairly tall 3-story house, and laying on the bed during an after-shock, it reminded me of the old, decades-ago, Magic Fingers on the motel beds, that took a .25 cent piece. But more umph..
 

Gry

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Our powers that be have a long history of
hiding things in plain sight.

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The symbol of the fasces was probably borrowed by the Romans from the Etruscan kings, as evidenced by the excavation of a miniature iron version from a 7th-century BCE Etruscan tomb at Vetulonia. The Roman fasces were composed of a bundle of rods (vergae) which were made from either birch or elm wood. Rounded or rectangular in form the rods were typically 1.5 metres (5 ft.) in length. The rods were bound together with a single-headed axe and a slightly longer central staff using red leather straps. The axe was not only ceremonial but was used in the early Republic to execute those sentenced to death. For this reason, when the axe was removed from the bundle it was to signify that a citizen could launch an appeal (provocatio) against a death penalty decision.
 

Gry

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No previous administration has pushed back harder on the release of the balance of the JFK papers
than this one.
Reason being was a friendship between Nixon and the current president.
The backstory of how things get handed down from one generation
to the next has long been of interest to me.
Nixon had been a student of Ralph Van Deman, as was J.Edgar Hoover.
Given the damage done by the pair, one can but imagine...
 
M

Mr D

Because they take history lessons from a washed up NFL player and shoe company that uses slave labor?

Betsy Ross was an American patriot, no doubt of that, but she was also a member of the Society of Friends, commonly known as the Quakers. The Quakers played a major role in America in the Abolition Movement, the movement to end slavery. In fact, the Quakers were one of the very first groups to oppose slavery, going all the way back to the 1600’s.

After the 1750s, Quakers actively engaged in attempting to sway public opinion in Britain and America against the slave trade and slavery in general. At the same time, Quakers became actively involved in the economic, educational and political well being of the formerly enslaved.

No American flag, produced in any era, is a ‘symbol of hate’ like the low-information and pathetically ignorant Democrats would have you to believe. And having the fake news media endlessly repeat that it is does not and will not make it so.

Quakers would not eat food that was produced by slaves, and not wear clothing made by enslaved people. Betsy Ross was one of those people. Betsy Ross’ flag is a symbol of America, and that’s why the Liberals hate it so much. It has nothing to do with slavery, they just hate America.
 
M

moose eater

The Quakers maintained a status of honor among truly noble causes, to the extent that during GW Bush's use of DoD intelligence ops on American soil, in violation of Posse Commitatus (spelling), in the early New Millennium, post-911, they were deemed in one DoD report to be a Nat'l Security threat, for their effectiveness in efforts in the Florida public schools to get the military recruiters booted out of the schools, thus potentially interrupting the assembly line of human cannon fodder the DoD needed to perpetuate their illegal wars..

The Quakers will always have my respect. And they have far more patience than I do.
 

Gry

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Any one here familiar with a post WWII program implemented in Italy by went by the apx name of 'guardio' ?

Ten years ago, one was able to retrieve amazing content on it.
A few years ago, a tech firm put out a product with the same name.
One might expect the content I had interest in to become somewhat buried.
In looking recently, it would seem that evaporated or perhaps scrubbed might be more
appropriate.
 

St. Phatty

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Is the Boeing 737 Max an Exception ?

Is the Boeing 737 Max an Exception ?

Any one here familiar with a post WWII program implemented in Italy by went by the apx name of 'guardio' ?

Gladio.

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" “It would have been career-limiting to withhold negative information from managers” at the time, Sorscher observed.

But that has changed. With the 787 program in the late 1990s, Sorscher says, Boeing reset the playing field. Washington state would have to compete with other jurisdictions, offering tax breaks to secure production lines. Suppliers would have to compete with rivals around the world. Workers would discover their positions were precarious.

The atmosphere inside Boeing changed.

In an interview with KUOW, Sorscher said Boeing engineers receive clear cultural messages that identifying problems is thought of by management as making trouble."

https://kuow.org/stories/boeing-eng...gjYKftNL09T-O9zMvQ0yfdG2rEohbbXgT6Vf9ryjSdfAw


Before - mistakes were something to be fixed.

Starting in the late 90's, for Boeing Commercial - mistakes were something to be not talked about. AKA swept under the rug.

Because of the criticality of the product ... letting Quality Control slip, as part of the outsourcing process. WOW. Does China now have better Quality Control than Boeing, for products they care about ?


The same Lack of Instinct for Excellence is repeated across American industry.

Including the medical industry, where Adverse Event Results - records of injured patients - are routinely Deep-6'ed from clinical trials, and ignored by state medical boards.


The change in culture at Boeing - the new culture on the Commercial side, is similar to the Military Contractor culture.

In the military contractor culture, a $7 reliable fix is deliberately overlooked, and the $5 million fix - that decreases reliability - is promoted by management.

That general organizational pattern of rewarding military contractors for increasing complexity, and reducing reliability, is 1/2 the story of the F22.


The other 1/2 lies in the story of the Digital Test manager (Bob) who was laid off in August 1998. He told the Digital Design manager (Bart) that his design was very difficult to test. "Not test-able".

So when 22x F22's couldn't be flown out of the path of Hurricane Michael, it had something to do with Engineering (Bart) refusing to listen to Manufacturing (Bob).

And so 22x $330 Million airplanes were lost.


If that was an exception, it would be one thing.

But I would say at this point, the lack of instinct for excellence (in the US) is system-wide.

It's all about, and only about, getting paid.


The inability to prioritize passenger safety at Boeing =

A Gob-smackingly absurd lack of consideration for Quality.


And part of the Root of America's Devolution.


Why is Boeing cutting so many corners ?

It's the only way they can make a profit in the face of rising health care costs.

The same reason that the cell-phone companies overloaded power poles in Northern California back in October 2017.


A repeating pattern at the heart of America's lost position at "the top of the heap."
 

Gry

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Gladio.

Thank you kindly sir, running at a diminished capacity is frustrating.
As for your post, wish that I could say that I had not heard similar
about other corporations prior to seeing them disappear.
For how long must we pay tribute to the family ?
Rockefeller medicine.
Amazing how strong the grip is around the
throat of every business and industry in the
country.
Just as amazing is the percentage of US MDs
who elect to have their own surgeries done
over seas.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
Thank you kindly sir, running at a diminished capacity is frustrating.
As for your post, wish that I could say that I had not heard similar
about other corporations prior to seeing them disappear.
For how long must we pay tribute to the family ?
Rockefeller medicine.
Amazing how strong the grip is around the
throat of every business and industry in the
country.

American consumers & consumers worldwide have a huge amount of control over the issues people say is important.

But they don't exercise it, for example, by Boycott.
 

Gry

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"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." David Frum, speechwriter for President George W. Bush.
 

packerfan79

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"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." David Frum, speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

David Frum is a long-time conservative. His abandonment of his core ideals isn't something to be praised. IMO. I respect people who stand for what they believe in, even if it's inconvenient.

The conservative movement doesn't need flip floppers. We should leave that for Biden and Harris.
 

armedoldhippy

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David Frum is a long-time conservative. His abandonment of his core ideals isn't something to be praised. IMO. I respect people who stand for what they believe in, even if it's inconvenient.

The conservative movement doesn't need flip floppers. We should leave that for Biden and Harris.

the conservative "movement" is FULL of flip-floppers. they are all about smaller govt & state control until a state does something they disagree with like legalizing weed. then, they are ALL ABOUT "federal law TRUMPS" state laws...:laughing::laughing:
 

Gry

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David Frum is a long-time conservative. His abandonment of his core ideals isn't something to be praised. IMO. I respect people who stand for what they believe in, even if it's inconvenient.

The conservative movement doesn't need flip floppers. We should leave that for Biden and Harris.
From my perspective, he abandoned nothing, as much as he is acknowledging the extent of change which has taken place.
Labor based dems were eliminated years ago, then they went after conservatives one primary at a time.

We live in interesting times.
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
There's a whole crop of young green Democrats moving in and taking huge chunks out of the old guard. Expect a very different party in 10 years. They occupy about 40% of the party seats now.
 

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