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Hypothesis: A local population will be some what immune to local diseases through acquired immunity and inherited genes. Having gone through the phase of population decline, the disease remains unknown until it gets spread by tourists and business travelers. It becomes a pandemic of the modern world. While the spread will slow down as folks get sick, many deaths, it will not go away. Other pandemics will emerge to join it. With a passive approach, many more will die. While some have the ability to hide from them, many do not.
 

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fucking assholes. talk about hypocrisy... they profit from the wars, they talk about "patriotism", then they refuse to get the service men/women the medical help they need after they SERVED in those wars. "we're with you! unless you get sick or something. if you cough, i'm the hell out of here!"
 

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Each and every one ? Just plain reprehensible. Phone number for the senate is 202-225-3121. If one of the above it your rep, you may want
call and let them know how you feel what they did.
 
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A letter from President Eisenhower to his brother: the bolding is mine
Dear Ed:
I think that such answer as I can give to your letter of November first will be arranged in reverse order–at least I shall comment first on your final paragraph.
You keep harping on the Constitution; I should like to point out that the meaning of the Constitution is what the Supreme Court says it is. Consequently no powers are exercised by the Federal government except where such exercise is approved by the Supreme Court (lawyers) of the land.1
I admit that the Supreme Court has in the past made certain decisions in this general field that have been astonishing to me. A recent case in point was the decision in the Phillips case.2 Others, and older ones, involved “interstate commerce.”3 But until some future Supreme Court decision denies the right and responsibility of the Federal government to do certain things, you cannot possibly remove them from the political activities of the Federal government.
Now it is true that I believe this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this–in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything–even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon “moderation” in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.4 Their number is negligible and they are stupid.
To say, therefore, that in some instances the policies of this Administration have not been radically changed from those of the last is perfectly true.5 Both Administrations levied taxes, both maintained military establishments, customs officials, and so on.
But in all governmental fields of action a combination of purpose, procedure and objectives must be considered if you are to get a true evaluation of the relative merits.
You say that the foreign policy of the two Administrations is the same. I suppose that even the most violent critic would agree that it is well for us to have friends in the world, to encourage them to oppose communism both in its external form and in its internal manifestations, to promote trade in the world that would be mutually profitable between us and our friends (and it must be mutually profitable or it will dry up), and to attempt the promotion of peace in the world, negotiating from a position of moral, intellectual, economic and military strength.
No matter what the party is in power, it must perforce follow a program that is related to these general purposes and aspirations. But the great difference is in how it is done and, particularly, in the results achieved.
A year ago last January we were in imminent danger of losing Iran, and sixty percent of the known oil reserves of the world. You may have forgotten this. Lots of people have. But there has been no greater threat that has in recent years overhung the free world. That threat has been largely, if not totally, removed. I could name at least a half dozen other spots of the same character.
This being true, how can anyone be so unaware of what is happening as to say that this Administration has conducted foreign affairs under the same policies as did the former Administration? As a matter of fact, if you will press any individual who brings to you all these strictures and comments, I venture that your experience will be the same as mine. That experience is that these individuals have no idea of what the “foreign policy” of the previous Administration was and what the present one is. They have heard certain slogans, such as “give away programs.” They have no slightest idea as to what has been the effect of these programs in sustaining American security and prosperity. Moreover, they have no idea whatsoever as to comparative size of them now as compared to even two or three years ago.
You say that these critics also complain about the continuance of “controls,” presumably over our economy. There is nothing in your letter that shows such complete ignorance as to what has actually happened as does this term. When we came into office there were Federal controls exercised over prices, wages, rents, as well as over the allocation and use of raw materials. The first thing this Administration did was to set about the elimination of those controls. This it did amid the most dire predictions of disaster, “run away” inflation, and so on and so on. We were proved right, but I must say that if the people of the United States do not even remember what took place, one is almost tempted to regret the agony of study, analysis and decision that was then our daily ration.
You also talk about “bad political advice” I am getting. I always assumed that lawyers attempted accuracy in their statements. How do you know that I am getting any political advice? Next, if I do get political advice, how do you know that it is not weighted in the direction that you seem to think it should be–although I am tempted at times to believe that you are just thrashing around rather than thinking anything through to a definite conclusion? So how can you say I am getting “bad” advice; why don’t you just assume I am stupid, trying to wreck the nation, and leave our Constitution in tatters?
I assure you that you have more reason, based on sixty-four years of contact, to say this than you do to make the bland assumption that I am surrounded by a group of Machiavellian characters who are seeking the downfall of the United States and the ascendancy of socialism and communism in the world. Incidentally, I notice that everybody seems to be a great Constitutionalist until his idea of what the Constitution ought to do is violated–then he suddenly becomes very strong for amendments or some peculiar and individualistic interpretation of his own.
Finally, I must assure you again that I am delighted to get your own honest criticisms, particularly if you will only take the trouble to lay down the facts on which you reach what seem to me to be some remarkable conclusions. But the mere repetition of aphorisms and political slogans and newspaper headlines leaves me cold. I am sorry you are not going to be at Abilene.6 It would be easier to tell you these things than to write them–except that by this method I hope to make you do a little thinking rather than devote yourself just to the winning of a noisy argument.
As ever
P.S. I attach a paragraph and a cartoon that came to me in the same mail as did your letter. At least it represents a different viewpoint. Incidentally, it comes from one of the most successful businessmen in the nation.
1 “I have faith in your inherent desire to operate this country on a constitutional basis,” Edgar had written, “giving to the states what are legitimately their rights, and assuming for the Federal Government only those limited powers which the Constitution intended that it should have.”
2 On June 7 the Supreme Court had ruled that sales of natural gas by the Phillips Petroleum Company to pipelines that distribute it in interstate commerce were subject to regulation by the Federal Power Commission. This decision gave the FPC control of a domain traditionally reserved to the states (Phillips Petroleum Co. v. State of Wisconsin et al. 347 U.S. 672 (1954)). Eisenhower deleted from this section of his earlier draft the following sentence: “I think there has been some tortuous reasoning applied.”
3 See for example Wickard v. Filburn, a case that upheld the federal government’s power to regulate farm production even when no part of the product was intended for interstate commerce and the product was consumed on the farm where it was grown (317 U.S. 111 (1942)).
4 Haroldson Lafayette Hunt, billionaire founder of the Hunt Oil Company, had often been a champion of conservative causes. For background on Eisenhower’s relations with Hunt see Galambos, Columbia University, vol. X.
5 “For your information,” Edgar had written, “there are a great many people in all walks of life with whom I have talked, who have made the statement that there is very little difference between the policy of your administration and that of the former administration” in the handling of foreign relations and many domestic programs.
6 Eisenhower would be in Abilene on November 11 for the dedication of the Eisenhower
Source: The Papers of Dwight David Eisenhower, Volume XV – The Presidency: The Middle Way, Part VI: Crises Abroad, Party Problems at Home; September 1954 to December 1954, Chapter 13: “A new phase of political experience”


Nhttps://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/letter-to-edgar-newton-eisenhower/
 

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fucking assholes. talk about hypocrisy... they profit from the wars, they talk about "patriotism", then they refuse to get the service men/women the medical help they need after they SERVED in those wars. "we're with you! unless you get sick or something. if you cough, i'm the hell out of here!"
Mark Twain wrote quite eloquently re. the fanfare of war, the confetti, the glitz, giving way to coffins coming home and the absence of fanfare. Our quality of treatment of those who are used as cannon fodder for the War Machine's profiteering is not new in any way. I've watched as decorated WWII service men laid in body fluids and blood, following a surgery for their advanced cancer, with 2 nurses to cover the 2 wings on that floor that afternoon.

Those folks in the US Government in the House, Senate, White House, etc., wearing those Chinese-made US Flag pins on their lapels? If you gotta' advertise your values, they may not be all that real.
 
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The letter and and the platform Ike ran on demonstrates the values of the republican party
that worked on behalf of the American people, as opposed the well heeled.
A great deal of trouble we see comes from the same families over several generations.
Which Ike illustrates in mentioning the father of the Hunt Bros.
I still like Ike, and the values he represented, which I find to a large extent
embraced by those who have refused corporate money in the democratic party.
 

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Those folks in the US Government in the House, Senate, White House, etc., wearing those Chinese-made US Flag pins on their lapels? If you gotta' advertise your values, they may not be all that real.

I have been working on Extremely low water use technologies, which includes, Zero Water Septic - that has no smell.

Because I know that in 100 years, that technology will be more relevant in the US - and very profitable for somebody.

And as a result ... I do have photos of ALL the constituent parts. Including the buckets of #2 that end up in the septic field, by a means other than pipes that use water.

I won't post them, but those #2 bucket pics better represent the 'values' of the US gov.

Which is not fair to #2, because it is USEFUL - unlike the people that wear the flag pins in Congress.

The #2 feeds both wild peas and potatoes.

The wild peas I actually shred and use as very low cost super healthy animal feed.

The trick is getting the cat to eat it. Cats may understand vitamins just as well as humans, but they don't understand lectures about Vitamins. The wild peas are FULL of vitamins.

I think the best metaphor for the values of those hypocritical flag-pin-wearers are materials that are smelly, vile, and NOT useful. Radioactive sewage, perhaps.

We will be better served by those flag pin wearers in Congress when we are smart enough to feed them to the Animals.



Just Makin' Bacon ! :)
 

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i cant wait until capitalism is ended. on second thought i probably wont be alive to see the day.
We probably won’t. In the meantime, life goes on. If you want to keep fighting the man over schematics have at it , but it’s a fruitless battle and there are really no winners except the politicians reaping rewards from your efforts. One system is as good as the other. It’s the people that count. Keep your neighbor fed and they will feed their neighbor. Grow food, be productive and share. It will come back to you.. That will change the world. The government is a necessary evil that Ned’s to be fenced and cross fenced. It is not the answer.
 

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Go along to get along is what put us in this position.
The average American pays five thousand dollars more a year than does the population of Canada, or Europe, due to monopoly.
Half of the major corporations here pay no taxes at all.
Absent responsible government we have no recourse or remedy for that, and it will get worse.
We must have good people step up and serve not just in the military, but politically as well.
 

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Go along to get along is what put us in this position.
The average American pays five thousand dollars more a year than does the population of Canada, or Europe, due to monopoly.
Half of the major corporations here pay no taxes at all.
Absent responsible government we have no recourse or remedy for that, and it will get worse.
We must have good people step up and serve not just in the military, but politically as well.
problem being that squeaky-clean citizens are rare, if not non-existent. years back, most respected news media understood boundaries & did not cross them. now, if you shit the bed once as a kid, or did something repulsive as a teen, it will be dug up & paraded in front of the world as evidence that you are not "worthy"...and our 24 hour news cycle guarantees that everyone WILL see it. fuck, Mother Teresa could not get nominated, she's bound to have had moments of weakness & confessed doubts. who hasn't? so, we are left voting for incompetent corporate stooges & corrupt publicity whores that know little more than how to go along to get ahead. in this atmosphere of sleaze, who would subject their family to the deluge of vitriol that would rain down? whose family would stand there and take it? whose marriage could withstand it? nobody that i know...
 
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