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To those who may not be familiar with the author, he was once referred to by Dick Cheney dismissively as "The fry cook."
"With virulent anti-Chinese ideology driving American foreign, domestic and national security policy, we begin a long series of programs setting forth the history of China during the last couple of centuries."
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-Shek and the Kuomintang, Part 1
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1100_1199/f-1194.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-Shek and the Kuomintang, Part 2
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1100_1199/f-1195.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 3
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1100_1199/f-1196.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 4
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1100_1199/f-1197.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 5
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1100_1199/f-1198.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 6
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1100_1199/f-1199.mp
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 7
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1200.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 8
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1201.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 9
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1202.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and The Kuomintang, Part 10
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1203.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 11
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1204.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and The Kuomintang, Part 12
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1205.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 13
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1206.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 14
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1207.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 15
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1208.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 16
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1209.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 17
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1210.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 18
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1211.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 19
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1212.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 20
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1213.mp3
The Narco-Fascism of Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang, Part 21
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1214.mp3
This series has reached a conclusion.
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THE SOONG DYNASTY. By Sterling Seagrave. 532 pages. Illustrated. Harper & Row. $22.50.
OF the three Soong sisters, it is now said in China: ''One loved money, one loved power, one loved China.'' The money-lover was Ai-ling, who made a fortune as a speculator while married to H. H. Kung, the equally wealthy financier who served intermittently as Finance Minister of the Chinese Republic. The power-lover was May-ling, who married Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek and, as the dragon lady Madame Chiang, helped to sell the United States on backing Nationalist China during World War II. The China-lover was Ching-ling, who married Dr. Sun Yat-sen, the revolutionary founder of the Republic of China, and who after his death became a vice chairman of Mao's People's Republic of China.
Of their brother, T. V. Soong, the Harvard-educated business tycoon who became Chiang Kai-shek's Prime Minister, it is merely said that for a time he was the richest man in the world. So as far as the influence the Soongs exerted, it is not far- fetched of the journalist Sterling Seagrave to begin his richly detailed history of the family by asserting, ''Few families since the Borgias have played such a disturbing role in human history.''
Nor is the statement an exaggeration in terms of the family's malignancy. The most dramatic revelations of ''The Soong Dynasty'' concern Chiang Kai-shek's involvement with the criminal underground - in particular one Big-eared Tu, the godfather of Shanghai's notorious Green Gang, who bolstered Chiang's regime through drugs, extortion, and political muscle, and exterminated dissenters by the tens of thousands. But except for Sun Yat-sen's widow, Ching-ling, who refused to be drawn into Chiang Kai-shek's orbit, every member of the family is convincingly painted monstrous by Mr. Seagrave in one or another special way.
If Mr. Seagrave has any problem, it lies in sustaining the drama of his revelations. As he points out in his prologue, writing about the Soongs poses ''special difficulties'' because like the Cheshire Cat, they ''were visible only when they wished to be.'' Because so much about them remains hidden, he has ''chosen a way of revealing the Soongs that is less subject to interpretation by friends or foes. Like Perseus, who avoided staring straight at Medusa, I have searched for the Soongs in the mirror of their times and in the lives of their close associates.'' He also searches for them as they have been mirrored in previous histories and biographies of the period.
The result of this approach is often successful. There is a lively portrait of the founding father, Charlie Soong, who ran off to America in 1878 and got himself trained as a missionary by Southern Methodists. Indeed the charm of the man often outshines Mr. Seagrave's attempts both to debunk him and make him sinister. On the other hand, the picture of Chiang Kai- shek that emerges is one that rivals Mussolini, if not Hitler, as the very model of a modern major dictator. And it is backed up by solid and dramatic evidence of Chiang's intimate involvement with the Green Gang.
Most appalling of all is Mr. Seagrave's study of Big-eared Tu Yueh- sheng, who, with two associates known as Pockmarked Huang Chih- jung and Curio Chang Ching-chang (for his profiteering in Chinese antiquities), ran the Shanghai underworld with spectacularly insouciant brutality. This study is highlighted by an interview with Big-eared Tu wrested from him by a Polish-born journalist named Ilona Ralf Sues, who published it in her little-noticed 1944 memoir, ''Shark's Fins and Millet.''
And this bears upon the major shortcoming of ''The Soong Dynasty'': So much of it depends on previously published books that it inevitably creates a sense of dej a vu. Despite many revelations gleaned through the Freedom of Information Act, there remains a sense that one has read much of this before - in Barbara Tuchman's ''Stillwell and the American Experience in China,'' in Theodore H. White's ''In Search of History: A Personal Adventure,'' in W. A. Swanberg's ''Luce and His Empire,'' and in the works of Edgar Snow, John King Fairbank and at least half a dozen others.
Of course the point is that Mr. Seagrave - a journalist who grew up in the 1940's on the China-Burma border - has put the story together as it has not been done previously. And no doubt it bears repeating and repeating, to put in the perspective of history what Mr. Seagrave regards as the spectacular folly of the United States for having swallowed what he characterizes as a fairy tale cooked up by the Soongs and served by Henry Luce and his publishing empire.
As he sums up T. V. Soong's ''operatic courtship of America'' in the 1930's: ''The Soong family would serve as the courtiers, the handmaidens, and the compradors. They would set the terms, carry the moneybags, keep the accounting ledgers, and be responsible for identifying all enemies and villains. America's role would be to provide the funds. In return for their money, Americans would be in charge of feeling virtuous.''
Still, the greatest excitement of ''The Soong Dynasty'' lies in the author's introductory announcement of what it accomplishes: ''This book is the first biography of the whole clan, and the first to examine both their positive contributions and their long- hidden, more sinister activities. When all the clan members are brought together in a single study, it is possible to see how they helped and hindered each other in the path to power, and to see in sharp relief their regime's long involvement with and dependence upon the Shanghai gangster underworld.''
After this, the proof of the pudding is depressingly familiar. By his method of staring away from Medusa we are forced by Mr. Seagrave to look at too much of what we already known about the long and tortuous struggle for control of 20th-century China.
https://www.nytimes.com/1985/03/14/b...es-092326.html
His content was not thought well of by our mutual uncle, who arranged for the following in an attempt to have him discredited. :
https://books.google.com/books/about...d=TInpAAAAIAAJ
Falsifying China's History: The Case of Sterling Seagrave's The Soong Dynasty
Seagrave has been careful, however, to give at least the appearance of having written for another, more serious purpose. Ostensibly, his goal is to show how the Soongs and the K'ungs dominated China's government under Chiang Kai-shek and, through their unscrupulousness and corruption, eventually brought about its destruction. But Seagrave cannot prove that Madame Chiang's family ever enjoyed anything approaching such power and, in fact, his real aim is far more ambitious than any expose of the Soongs and K'ungs--namely, to damingly indict Chiang Kai-shek himself: as a man, a soldier, and a political leader. In this respect, the book is so biased, so unrealiable, so riddled with errors, and so utterly lacking in historical perspective that much of it could be classified as fiction rather than as a work of history. Moreover, Seagrave is not content with merely savaging the Nationalists for their actions on the mainland more than three decades ago. He also diismisses their very subtantial achievements in Taiwan during the past thirty-five years, and he seems bent on undermining the reputation of the government there at a time when it desperately needs American support for its efforts to prevent annexation by the Communist regime in Peking.
OF the three Soong sisters, it is now said in China: ''One loved money, one loved power, one loved China.'' The money-lover was Ai-ling, who made a fortune as a speculator while married to H. H. Kung, the equally wealthy financier who served intermittently as Finance Minister of the Chinese Republic. The power-lover was May-ling, who married Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek and, as the dragon lady Madame Chiang, helped to sell the United States on backing Nationalist China during World War II. The China-lover was Ching-ling, who married Dr. Sun Yat-sen, the revolutionary founder of the Republic of China, and who after his death became a vice chairman of Mao's People's Republic of China.
Of their brother, T. V. Soong, the Harvard-educated business tycoon who became Chiang Kai-shek's Prime Minister, it is merely said that for a time he was the richest man in the world. So as far as the influence the Soongs exerted, it is not far- fetched of the journalist Sterling Seagrave to begin his richly detailed history of the family by asserting, ''Few families since the Borgias have played such a disturbing role in human history.''
Nor is the statement an exaggeration in terms of the family's malignancy. The most dramatic revelations of ''The Soong Dynasty'' concern Chiang Kai-shek's involvement with the criminal underground - in particular one Big-eared Tu, the godfather of Shanghai's notorious Green Gang, who bolstered Chiang's regime through drugs, extortion, and political muscle, and exterminated dissenters by the tens of thousands. But except for Sun Yat-sen's widow, Ching-ling, who refused to be drawn into Chiang Kai-shek's orbit, every member of the family is convincingly painted monstrous by Mr. Seagrave in one or another special way.
If Mr. Seagrave has any problem, it lies in sustaining the drama of his revelations. As he points out in his prologue, writing about the Soongs poses ''special difficulties'' because like the Cheshire Cat, they ''were visible only when they wished to be.'' Because so much about them remains hidden, he has ''chosen a way of revealing the Soongs that is less subject to interpretation by friends or foes. Like Perseus, who avoided staring straight at Medusa, I have searched for the Soongs in the mirror of their times and in the lives of their close associates.'' He also searches for them as they have been mirrored in previous histories and biographies of the period.
The result of this approach is often successful. There is a lively portrait of the founding father, Charlie Soong, who ran off to America in 1878 and got himself trained as a missionary by Southern Methodists. Indeed the charm of the man often outshines Mr. Seagrave's attempts both to debunk him and make him sinister. On the other hand, the picture of Chiang Kai- shek that emerges is one that rivals Mussolini, if not Hitler, as the very model of a modern major dictator. And it is backed up by solid and dramatic evidence of Chiang's intimate involvement with the Green Gang.
Most appalling of all is Mr. Seagrave's study of Big-eared Tu Yueh- sheng, who, with two associates known as Pockmarked Huang Chih- jung and Curio Chang Ching-chang (for his profiteering in Chinese antiquities), ran the Shanghai underworld with spectacularly insouciant brutality. This study is highlighted by an interview with Big-eared Tu wrested from him by a Polish-born journalist named Ilona Ralf Sues, who published it in her little-noticed 1944 memoir, ''Shark's Fins and Millet.''
And this bears upon the major shortcoming of ''The Soong Dynasty'': So much of it depends on previously published books that it inevitably creates a sense of dej a vu. Despite many revelations gleaned through the Freedom of Information Act, there remains a sense that one has read much of this before - in Barbara Tuchman's ''Stillwell and the American Experience in China,'' in Theodore H. White's ''In Search of History: A Personal Adventure,'' in W. A. Swanberg's ''Luce and His Empire,'' and in the works of Edgar Snow, John King Fairbank and at least half a dozen others.
Of course the point is that Mr. Seagrave - a journalist who grew up in the 1940's on the China-Burma border - has put the story together as it has not been done previously. And no doubt it bears repeating and repeating, to put in the perspective of history what Mr. Seagrave regards as the spectacular folly of the United States for having swallowed what he characterizes as a fairy tale cooked up by the Soongs and served by Henry Luce and his publishing empire.
As he sums up T. V. Soong's ''operatic courtship of America'' in the 1930's: ''The Soong family would serve as the courtiers, the handmaidens, and the compradors. They would set the terms, carry the moneybags, keep the accounting ledgers, and be responsible for identifying all enemies and villains. America's role would be to provide the funds. In return for their money, Americans would be in charge of feeling virtuous.''
Still, the greatest excitement of ''The Soong Dynasty'' lies in the author's introductory announcement of what it accomplishes: ''This book is the first biography of the whole clan, and the first to examine both their positive contributions and their long- hidden, more sinister activities. When all the clan members are brought together in a single study, it is possible to see how they helped and hindered each other in the path to power, and to see in sharp relief their regime's long involvement with and dependence upon the Shanghai gangster underworld.''
After this, the proof of the pudding is depressingly familiar. By his method of staring away from Medusa we are forced by Mr. Seagrave to look at too much of what we already known about the long and tortuous struggle for control of 20th-century China.
https://www.nytimes.com/1985/03/14/b...es-092326.html
His content was not thought well of by our mutual uncle, who arranged for the following in an attempt to have him discredited. :
https://books.google.com/books/about...d=TInpAAAAIAAJ
Falsifying China's History: The Case of Sterling Seagrave's The Soong Dynasty
Seagrave has been careful, however, to give at least the appearance of having written for another, more serious purpose. Ostensibly, his goal is to show how the Soongs and the K'ungs dominated China's government under Chiang Kai-shek and, through their unscrupulousness and corruption, eventually brought about its destruction. But Seagrave cannot prove that Madame Chiang's family ever enjoyed anything approaching such power and, in fact, his real aim is far more ambitious than any expose of the Soongs and K'ungs--namely, to damingly indict Chiang Kai-shek himself: as a man, a soldier, and a political leader. In this respect, the book is so biased, so unrealiable, so riddled with errors, and so utterly lacking in historical perspective that much of it could be classified as fiction rather than as a work of history. Moreover, Seagrave is not content with merely savaging the Nationalists for their actions on the mainland more than three decades ago. He also diismisses their very subtantial achievements in Taiwan during the past thirty-five years, and he seems bent on undermining the reputation of the government there at a time when it desperately needs American support for its efforts to prevent annexation by the Communist regime in Peking.
A painful reminder of what we could have had if our government had not been knocked over.
I blame the sock stealing dryer.
This is the tipping point. When the chicoms join in, say goodbye to the US dollar hegemony. All under xiden, as his chicom masters demand. And the fool shut down Keystone, permanently. Anyone old enough should remember the inflation of the 70's when Nixon closed the gold window. Look at the national debt since then, now going straight vertical.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-economy-risk/
If you have bengis buried, buying gold and silver and seeds might be a good idea. Some more ammo and food also not a bad plan.
From that link, here is a guy explaining this.
https://youtu.be/6ebKOIbZtxQ
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-economy-risk/
If you have bengis buried, buying gold and silver and seeds might be a good idea. Some more ammo and food also not a bad plan.
From that link, here is a guy explaining this.
https://youtu.be/6ebKOIbZtxQ
The old political pins back then... I remember "AuH2O" and "LBJ for USA".
Ole LBJ took the hint from the bankers (saw what they did to Kennedy) and stopped the silver certificates and took the silver out of the money in 1964. It was grift-ON after Nixon took away the last paper to metal convertibility in 1971, and the national debt has skyrocketed to an impossible number now, and climbs vertically. There is no talk of limits anymore.
The current grifters are looting the place before the big fire. Better have something of value to trade. Seeds, metals, dope are all good. Copper and lead to keep them.
This chart is just the congress authorized national debt. It does not include AOH's social security and medicare, nor the other freebies that people depend on and are considered mandatory spending. Food stamps, child money, stimmy, free rent, college loans, etc...
Of course, the money had to flow somewhere, and the politicians can invest in the things they are throwing moolahs at. Pelosi and the rest of them get rich n congress. Gold / silver have done well, but the paper value of stocks is a good place to hide all the printing.
Yeah, gold is the yellow line $35 /oz in 1971 to $1800 / oz in 2021. 50 years.
Look at bitcoin too. Inflation is gonna rip people's lives apart, but at least the orange menace is gone. These grifters in DC care not for main street and the suffering. America had it good with that dollar deal. Xiden the "big guy" is throwing it all away for his 10% grift.
Interesting times have arrived I am afraid. Buckle up.
Ole LBJ took the hint from the bankers (saw what they did to Kennedy) and stopped the silver certificates and took the silver out of the money in 1964. It was grift-ON after Nixon took away the last paper to metal convertibility in 1971, and the national debt has skyrocketed to an impossible number now, and climbs vertically. There is no talk of limits anymore.
The current grifters are looting the place before the big fire. Better have something of value to trade. Seeds, metals, dope are all good. Copper and lead to keep them.
This chart is just the congress authorized national debt. It does not include AOH's social security and medicare, nor the other freebies that people depend on and are considered mandatory spending. Food stamps, child money, stimmy, free rent, college loans, etc...
Of course, the money had to flow somewhere, and the politicians can invest in the things they are throwing moolahs at. Pelosi and the rest of them get rich n congress. Gold / silver have done well, but the paper value of stocks is a good place to hide all the printing.
Look at bitcoin too. Inflation is gonna rip people's lives apart, but at least the orange menace is gone. These grifters in DC care not for main street and the suffering. America had it good with that dollar deal. Xiden the "big guy" is throwing it all away for his 10% grift.
Interesting times have arrived I am afraid. Buckle up.
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Don't just listen to me though... he must read my postings.
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/08.21/fantasyland.html
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/08.21/fantasyland.html
he dresses just as my grandpa did. right down to those same type of socks lol
I was looking at the socks on the kid.
oh i was looking at bern's lol
I must be like your grandpa. I thought Bernie’s socks were normal.
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New Analysis Reveals Industry Groups Have Fought To Overturn Eviction Moratoriums As Members Boasted of Strong Balance Sheets and Increased CEO Compensation
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