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Top 44 from seed
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gift of gab
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Small update
Today when lights come on is watering day for all the plants except the runt. It still has plenty of water.
When I do water the runt, think I should feed it, or should I just give it water? Im using foxfarm light warrior soil, so Im guessing that it has some nutes already, but I could be wrong. Maybe I should read the bag
I only got 2 pics off before my digicam batteries died. Theyre worse than usual, can't keep my hand steady for the life of me
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Plants are looking good. I added the 150w HPS today, in all honest to bring up lights on lows Their getting somewhat low (71F), the highs are 85F, and I know that such a huge temp difference is bad for the plants. Im going to run it for 10 hours or so every day, basically when the outside temps start to get low.
Of the mystery seeds that I found in the bathroom, 4 have popped, 3 are in rockwool, and the other is still in the paper towel. It just popped, and I like to let them get a half inch or so taproot before I plant. Also, if the taproot doesn't grow anymore, I know not to waste my time with it. Im looking for 1 or 2 seedlings from this batch, to put in my waterfarm. I have doubts that any will survive, due to my lack of rockwool skill. I soaked them in 5.3-5.5pH water, which brought the pH to 6.4. The problem that I have lies in watering. Its hard for me to tell when its time with the rockwool. I know I don't want it to dry out completely, but at the same time I don't want them to wet. Time will tell if rockwool is compatible with me.
*fingers crossed*
Today when lights come on is watering day for all the plants except the runt. It still has plenty of water.
When I do water the runt, think I should feed it, or should I just give it water? Im using foxfarm light warrior soil, so Im guessing that it has some nutes already, but I could be wrong. Maybe I should read the bag
I only got 2 pics off before my digicam batteries died. Theyre worse than usual, can't keep my hand steady for the life of me
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^runt
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Plants are looking good. I added the 150w HPS today, in all honest to bring up lights on lows
Their getting somewhat low (71F), the highs are 85F, and I know that such a huge temp difference is bad for the plants. Im going to run it for 10 hours or so every day, basically when the outside temps start to get low. Of the mystery seeds that I found in the bathroom, 4 have popped, 3 are in rockwool, and the other is still in the paper towel. It just popped, and I like to let them get a half inch or so taproot before I plant. Also, if the taproot doesn't grow anymore, I know not to waste my time with it. Im looking for 1 or 2 seedlings from this batch, to put in my waterfarm. I have doubts that any will survive, due to my lack of rockwool skill. I soaked them in 5.3-5.5pH water, which brought the pH to 6.4. The problem that I have lies in watering. Its hard for me to tell when its time with the rockwool. I know I don't want it to dry out completely, but at the same time I don't want them to wet. Time will tell if rockwool is compatible with me.
*fingers crossed*
gift of gab
Member
First feeding
First feeding
Last night right after lights on I gave 3/5 their first feeding. I don't give them a ton of water, a quart fed all 3 of them. The PPM was 550, with my tapwater starting out around 150. The ph ended up at 5.9.
Its been 15 hour since the feeding, and so far no signs of nute burn at all. In fact, the plants seem to be loving it, and have grown noticably since the feeding. The way the other 2 plants are drinking, theyll probably get their first feeding tommorrow after lights on. Only time will tell though.
I really think I have 2 phenos now, but I am a noob so I don't really know. One of my plants grew 2 sets of 5 fingered leaves (all other plants look like this) while one of them went from 5 to 7 finger leaves right off the bat. Ill take pics when I get some batteries for the camera.
So far nothing from the rockwool seedlings. It looks like the 3 that popped are the only ones that are going to. Of those 3, only one showed nice vigor from the taproot, so I have high hopes for that one. The cubes are kept in the 80s temp wise. I doubt Ill get any of them to sprout, but eh, gotta try sometime I guess. I didn't even know I had the seeds so not much of a loss anyway.
Ill be back with pics later.
Peace
Stay safe
G o G
First feeding
Last night right after lights on I gave 3/5 their first feeding. I don't give them a ton of water, a quart fed all 3 of them. The PPM was 550, with my tapwater starting out around 150. The ph ended up at 5.9.
Its been 15 hour since the feeding, and so far no signs of nute burn at all. In fact, the plants seem to be loving it, and have grown noticably since the feeding. The way the other 2 plants are drinking, theyll probably get their first feeding tommorrow after lights on. Only time will tell though.
I really think I have 2 phenos now, but I am a noob so I don't really know. One of my plants grew 2 sets of 5 fingered leaves (all other plants look like this) while one of them went from 5 to 7 finger leaves right off the bat. Ill take pics when I get some batteries for the camera.
So far nothing from the rockwool seedlings. It looks like the 3 that popped are the only ones that are going to. Of those 3, only one showed nice vigor from the taproot, so I have high hopes for that one. The cubes are kept in the 80s temp wise. I doubt Ill get any of them to sprout, but eh, gotta try sometime I guess. I didn't even know I had the seeds so not much of a loss anyway.
Ill be back with pics later.
Peace
Stay safe
G o G
gift of gab
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a pic
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heres a pic, I can only take one every couple hours because of the battery (to lazy to go to the store )
15 hours ago, that 5 fingered leaf on top wasn't even close to completely opening up, but when I woke up this morning it was pretty much completely grown in and a new node is growing with some nice vigor. We'll see how long it takes this one to grow in.
Finally it starts to get exciting.(for me anyway) Thanks to the nutes
More pics when I get batteries, whenever that may be 
a pic
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heres a pic, I can only take one every couple hours because of the battery (to lazy to go to the store
)15 hours ago, that 5 fingered leaf on top wasn't even close to completely opening up, but when I woke up this morning it was pretty much completely grown in and a new node is growing with some nice vigor. We'll see how long it takes this one to grow in.
Finally it starts to get exciting.(for me anyway) Thanks to the nutes
More pics when I get batteries, whenever that may be
gift of gab
Member
Well, its been ~20 days since they broke through. All plants are doing well. The runt is still a runt, but its coming along.
Ive got to say, these plants are a bitchy. VERY moody. Ill check on them, and one will be droppy or something. Ill do NOTHING, nothing at all, wait till after the dark cycle and low and behold its all perked up and looking healthy as ever. I don't understand it, but eh, as long as they perk back up its cool with me. I have one plant Im praying is a girl, thus far its had the most vigor, as well as been the hardiest. Its always looking healthy *knock on wood* and its growing the fastest. Im worried, because Ive read that the males tend to grow faster and lankier (is that a word?) than the females, which this plant is doing, but oh well, only time will tell.
All plants have recieved their first feeding. Im going to feed everyother watering, and see if I get any signs of nute burn. If I don't, then Ill probably just continue to do so for the long haul.
Ill take some pics here in a bit, still didnt' get batteries but Im sure I can scrounge some up for a couple pics.
My cooltubed 400w HPS with hortilux and 465CFM squirrel cage blower shipped today so it should be here mid next week Im hoping. I can't wait to get the flowering area setup. Its going to be some serious light, ~100w/sqft if I only use the 400wer, and ~130w/sqft if I use the 150w HPS for side lighting. IMO I went overkill on the blower, so it shouldn't be a problem keeping it cool. I have 400w in my cabinet right now with only a 265 and I have no problems keeping temps down.
My hydro endeavor failed horribly. I got 2 seeds to sprout, however one is pretty much dead already, and the other hasn't grown is 2 days. Not sure what I did wrong, I pH balanced the cubes, I kept them moist but not wet, and they are about 1.5ft from the 250w MH. I guess rockwool isn't for me. Maybe Ill try hydro in the future, but for now I think Im just going to stick with soil for at least a couple grows. The watering is the only thing you have to learn, and with this grow I am learning ALOT about watering, not to mention growing in general. Can't wait, Id say 2-3 more weeks of veg, then the real fun begins.
Ive got to say, these plants are a bitchy. VERY moody. Ill check on them, and one will be droppy or something. Ill do NOTHING, nothing at all, wait till after the dark cycle and low and behold its all perked up and looking healthy as ever. I don't understand it, but eh, as long as they perk back up its cool with me. I have one plant Im praying is a girl, thus far its had the most vigor, as well as been the hardiest. Its always looking healthy *knock on wood*
and its growing the fastest. Im worried, because Ive read that the males tend to grow faster and lankier (is that a word?) than the females, which this plant is doing, but oh well, only time will tell. All plants have recieved their first feeding. Im going to feed everyother watering, and see if I get any signs of nute burn. If I don't, then Ill probably just continue to do so for the long haul.
Ill take some pics here in a bit, still didnt' get batteries
but Im sure I can scrounge some up for a couple pics. My cooltubed 400w HPS with hortilux and 465CFM squirrel cage blower shipped today
so it should be here mid next week Im hoping. I can't wait to get the flowering area setup. Its going to be some serious light, ~100w/sqft if I only use the 400wer, and ~130w/sqft if I use the 150w HPS for side lighting. IMO I went overkill on the blower, so it shouldn't be a problem keeping it cool. I have 400w in my cabinet right now with only a 265 and I have no problems keeping temps down. My hydro endeavor failed horribly. I got 2 seeds to sprout, however one is pretty much dead already, and the other hasn't grown is 2 days. Not sure what I did wrong, I pH balanced the cubes, I kept them moist but not wet, and they are about 1.5ft from the 250w MH. I guess rockwool isn't for me. Maybe Ill try hydro in the future, but for now I think Im just going to stick with soil for at least a couple grows. The watering is the only thing you have to learn, and with this grow I am learning ALOT about watering, not to mention growing in general. Can't wait, Id say 2-3 more weeks of veg, then the real fun begins.
gift of gab
Member
couple pics
couple pics
well, one of the plants is being a pain as usual. I took a pic of what Im speaking of, maybe one of you viewers out there will know what the problem is, because I sure don't.
heres the poopy plant
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close up of something that I feel needs some attention. Fingers crossed that Im not getting infested. Kinda looks like something took a nibble on the leaves though. Any ideas
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heres what the rest of them look like. Nice and healthy.
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any ideas why the one is being so moody?
Also, Im currently using ~a quart to water 3 plants. The plants drink this in 2-4 days. Should I keep doing this, or should I be giving them more water, maybe a quart each?
Thanks for the input.
G o G
couple pics
well, one of the plants is being a pain as usual. I took a pic of what Im speaking of, maybe one of you viewers out there will know what the problem is, because I sure don't.
heres the poopy plant
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close up of something that I feel needs some attention. Fingers crossed that Im not getting infested. Kinda looks like something took a nibble on the leaves though. Any ideas
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heres what the rest of them look like. Nice and healthy.
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any ideas why the one is being so moody?
Also, Im currently using ~a quart to water 3 plants. The plants drink this in 2-4 days. Should I keep doing this, or should I be giving them more water, maybe a quart each?
Thanks for the input.
G o G
gift of gab
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I know the pic is pretty blury, my digi cam is only 1.5 megapixel, and my hand is less than steady. I put the problem area inside the red.
I doubt anyone can help me because the pic is so bad, but you never know.
deZerTomB
Member
nute burn?
nute burn?
how much if any nutes are you using?
What do the undersides of the leaves look like. If you have fly or mites you would see egg like things on the bottom of the leaf.
First thing I do when something is wrong is transplant into fresh soil, same pot.
don't overwater, that's my mistake haha
also the plant uses the lower leafs for energy and they turn yellow and fall off. Could this be that process?
Otherwise they look good, fat indica, nice green color. you're rockin'.
stay green & safe
deZerTomB.
nute burn?
how much if any nutes are you using?
What do the undersides of the leaves look like. If you have fly or mites you would see egg like things on the bottom of the leaf.
First thing I do when something is wrong is transplant into fresh soil, same pot.
don't overwater, that's my mistake haha
also the plant uses the lower leafs for energy and they turn yellow and fall off. Could this be that process?
Otherwise they look good, fat indica, nice green color. you're rockin'.
stay green & safe
deZerTomB.
gift of gab
Member
thanks dezer
thanks dezer
Thanks for keeping an eye on this one dezertomb, its much appriciated.
I believe I figured out the problem, I will confirm this tommorow. It seems that plant likes to drink faster than the rest of them. When I look back, the other time this plant got all droopy, was the day before watering. The droopy plant is all perked up again.
I haven't overferted yet, as their last watering was plain water, and they didn't show any signs of overferting after the feeding. I am however cranking the nutes up a bit, so I will definately be watching for nute burn closely. How long after you water does it take to show up?
On the bug issue, no signs of eggs yet, but as a precautionary measure Ill be getting some neem oil on monday. Ill be spraying these plant right up until I put them 2 flower. Better safe than sorry.
Can't wait to flower these, not only so I can get some bud, but so I can start my MT seeds.
Thanks again dezer, its good to know someones looking out.
Peace
G o G
thanks dezer
Thanks for keeping an eye on this one dezertomb, its much appriciated.
I believe I figured out the problem, I will confirm this tommorow. It seems that plant likes to drink faster than the rest of them. When I look back, the other time this plant got all droopy, was the day before watering. The droopy plant is all perked up again.
I haven't overferted yet, as their last watering was plain water, and they didn't show any signs of overferting after the feeding. I am however cranking the nutes up a bit, so I will definately be watching for nute burn closely. How long after you water does it take to show up?
On the bug issue, no signs of eggs yet, but as a precautionary measure Ill be getting some neem oil on monday. Ill be spraying these plant right up until I put them 2 flower. Better safe than sorry.
Can't wait to flower these, not only so I can get some bud, but so I can start my MT seeds.
Thanks again dezer, its good to know someones looking out.
Peace
G o G
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25 days in
25 days in
I got bored and took some pics, so I thought Id post some pics.
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25 days in
I got bored and took some pics, so I thought Id post some pics.
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sorry for the delay in answering ...
sorry for the delay in answering ...
the top44 did go longer than i expected around 50+ days ... i like to put my plants under12/12 when theyre around 18" tall or 30 days. mild ferts at first then after 7-10 days i start blasting them with every watering. just be careful and monitor them closely ... dont over fert. i only use water soluable ferts so incase of over doing it i can flush them easily and quickly.
they were about ( i didnt officialy measure) just under 3' at harvest. loaded with buds. good smoken too ....
sorry for the delay in answering ...
the top44 did go longer than i expected around 50+ days ... i like to put my plants under12/12 when theyre around 18" tall or 30 days. mild ferts at first then after 7-10 days i start blasting them with every watering. just be careful and monitor them closely ... dont over fert. i only use water soluable ferts so incase of over doing it i can flush them easily and quickly.
they were about ( i didnt officialy measure) just under 3' at harvest. loaded with buds. good smoken too ....
gift of gab
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Re: sorry for the delay in answering ...
Re: sorry for the delay in answering ...
Your plants got to 18" after 30 days??? WOW, 27 days in and all my plants are ~ 4 inches working on their 5th and 6th set of leaves. They havent started alternating nodes yet. How much light did you have your under, and did you start from seeds or clones?
Mine have shown no signs of nute burn whatsoever. I feed every other watering, just to be safe.
My 400w HPS came earlier than expected. I thought I had a couple more days to setup my flowering area, but the sooner the better I guess.
All 5 plants are doing very well. I figured out why the one plant was being so moody. All I had to do was put a VERY small fan in there to stir up the air around the plants a bit. None of the other plants seem to care, but for the one plant its a must. I have a honeywell fan also, but it moves IMO too much air even on the lowers setting for how big my plants are right now. During flowering it will be nice, since the plants will be alot bigger and have dense bud all over them hopefully.
Haven't decided exactly how big Im going to grow these plants till I flower them. I would really like to try DWC in 5 gallon buckets on my next grow, but Id much rather start with a clone since I only have room for 2-3 of them.
The problem is, these plants don't seem very bushy to me. They recently started to bush out, about 3 weeks in. Im a little uncertain on one thing. My plant to this point have pretty much grown straight up. I don't think it would be possible for me to take a clone because the plants are only 4 inches tall and they only have the single main stalk. How much longer am I going to have to wait till I can take some clones other than by topping the main stalk, which I do not want to do. I can put them under a 400w Hortilux cooltubed, so I can probably get the light within 4 inches or so of the tops.
If its just the strain and it won't bush out at all without topping, then Im just going to flower these guys in the next couple days so I can grow a different strain.
Hope that makes sense.
next time I post I should have some pics.
Re: sorry for the delay in answering ...
mauie said:
Your plants got to 18" after 30 days??? WOW, 27 days in and all my plants are ~ 4 inches working on their 5th and 6th set of leaves. They havent started alternating nodes yet. How much light did you have your under, and did you start from seeds or clones?
Mine have shown no signs of nute burn whatsoever. I feed every other watering, just to be safe.
My 400w HPS came earlier than expected. I thought I had a couple more days to setup my flowering area, but the sooner the better I guess.
All 5 plants are doing very well. I figured out why the one plant was being so moody. All I had to do was put a VERY small fan in there to stir up the air around the plants a bit. None of the other plants seem to care, but for the one plant its a must. I have a honeywell fan also, but it moves IMO too much air even on the lowers setting for how big my plants are right now. During flowering it will be nice, since the plants will be alot bigger and have dense bud all over them hopefully.
Haven't decided exactly how big Im going to grow these plants till I flower them. I would really like to try DWC in 5 gallon buckets on my next grow, but Id much rather start with a clone since I only have room for 2-3 of them.
The problem is, these plants don't seem very bushy to me. They recently started to bush out, about 3 weeks in. Im a little uncertain on one thing. My plant to this point have pretty much grown straight up. I don't think it would be possible for me to take a clone because the plants are only 4 inches tall and they only have the single main stalk. How much longer am I going to have to wait till I can take some clones other than by topping the main stalk, which I do not want to do. I can put them under a 400w Hortilux cooltubed, so I can probably get the light within 4 inches or so of the tops.
If its just the strain and it won't bush out at all without topping, then Im just going to flower these guys in the next couple days so I can grow a different strain.
Hope that makes sense.
next time I post I should have some pics.
Alternate branching....
Alternate branching....
The number of blades on each leaf begins to decline during the middle of the vegetative stage.
Then the arrangement of the leaves on the stem (phyllotaxy) changes from the usual opposite to alternate.
The internodes (stem space from one pair of leaves to the next, which had been increasing in length) begin to decrease, and the growth appears to be thicker.
Branches which appeared in the axils of each set of leaves grow and shape the plant to its characteristic form.
The vegetative stage is usually completed in the third to fifth months of growth.
[Good luck with your grow.]
Cannabis Life Cycle
Alternate branching....
The number of blades on each leaf begins to decline during the middle of the vegetative stage.
Then the arrangement of the leaves on the stem (phyllotaxy) changes from the usual opposite to alternate.
The internodes (stem space from one pair of leaves to the next, which had been increasing in length) begin to decrease, and the growth appears to be thicker.
Branches which appeared in the axils of each set of leaves grow and shape the plant to its characteristic form.
The vegetative stage is usually completed in the third to fifth months of growth.
[Good luck with your grow.
]Cannabis Life Cycle
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I ordered Top44 seeds from Nirvana, but my plants don't look like that. I vegged them for about 45 days and they have been under 12/12 for about 10 days or so, but I had the light 5 feet high so my plants stretched and are now 4 feet tall. I don't know if I got the wrong seeds or if I just caused them to grow that tall, but I didn't realized Top44 could even get that big.
gift of gab
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NYnugfest said:
Im pretty sure thats the reason your plants look nothing like mine. My light is under a foot from the plants, hence, no stretching. How many inches do you have between internodes?
Good luck with your grow.
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gift of gab
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pics
pics
All the plants are doing very well, with the exception of the runt, which is healthy, but it is a runt. I want it to catch up to the others.
I definately have at least 2 phenos, hopefully the one oddball is a female.
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^^ this pic has the oddball in the background.
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^^ runt
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^^^ sorry for the poor picture quality, I am have problems keeping my hand steady. This pic is trying to show that the plants are branching out. I believe these are future clone sites, probably in a few weeks.
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^^ the oddball pheno. As you can see, the leaves are considerably shorter and fatter than the others. The smell is slightly different as well. Similar, but different.
Id like to get some feedback from the viewers out there. How do you guys think Im doing so far? 1 month into my first grow, personally, I think Im doing pretty decent, although I have seen some plants from seed in soil that were just as big after only 15 days. Not sure how that works, maybe because my plants got some stress from overwatering in the early seedling stage???
Anyway, the flowering area is coming together nicely. As soon as it gets done I think Ill start up a couple MT seeds, since I have 2 areas I CAN have 2 seperate grows if I want. I want to grow the MTs pretty big anyway, Im thinking a min of 2 months from seed for the females. (Plan to take a bunch of cuttings and flower one from each plant to determine sex)
thats all I have for today. Still pretty boring, can't wait till they start to really take off. I keep reading about this 1-2 inches of growth a day once they hit the vegative stage, I hope my plants hurry up and mature already.
I never realized just how long the whole process takes from seed. I can definately say that I will be using clones in the future, even if I struggle with it at first. If my plants were from clone, they would probably be 1-2 weeks into flowering already.
Oh well, you have to start somewhere.
Peace
G o G
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All the plants are doing very well, with the exception of the runt, which is healthy, but it is a runt. I want it to catch up to the others.
I definately have at least 2 phenos, hopefully the one oddball is a female.
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^^ this pic has the oddball in the background.
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^^ runt
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^^^ sorry for the poor picture quality, I am have problems keeping my hand steady. This pic is trying to show that the plants are branching out. I believe these are future clone sites, probably in a few weeks.
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^^ the oddball pheno. As you can see, the leaves are considerably shorter and fatter than the others. The smell is slightly different as well. Similar, but different.
Id like to get some feedback from the viewers out there. How do you guys think Im doing so far? 1 month into my first grow, personally, I think Im doing pretty decent, although I have seen some plants from seed in soil that were just as big after only 15 days. Not sure how that works, maybe because my plants got some stress from overwatering in the early seedling stage???
Anyway, the flowering area is coming together nicely. As soon as it gets done I think Ill start up a couple MT seeds, since I have 2 areas I CAN have 2 seperate grows if I want. I want to grow the MTs pretty big anyway, Im thinking a min of 2 months from seed for the females. (Plan to take a bunch of cuttings and flower one from each plant to determine sex)
thats all I have for today. Still pretty boring, can't wait till they start to really take off. I keep reading about this 1-2 inches of growth a day once they hit the vegative stage, I hope my plants hurry up and mature already.
I never realized just how long the whole process takes from seed. I can definately say that I will be using clones in the future, even if I struggle with it at first. If my plants were from clone, they would probably be 1-2 weeks into flowering already.
Oh well, you have to start somewhere.
Peace
G o G
deZerTomB
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boring is good
boring is good
they look great, no burning that I can see now. real healthy.
once the roots get established, then they'll take off. but it depends on genetics. Ive had plants triple in size in flower and some that don't get much taller at all. same in veg, some grow real slow, some fast. Also heat will affect growth and slow it down over 90 degrees in veg. But I've known peeps grow outdoors in 120 degree temps just fine.
clone vs seed depends on the clone and seed, sativa vs indica, and size and where the clone was cut. Tiny clones take forever and big clones much faster.
stay green & safe
deZerTomB.
boring is good
they look great, no burning that I can see now. real healthy.
once the roots get established, then they'll take off. but it depends on genetics. Ive had plants triple in size in flower and some that don't get much taller at all. same in veg, some grow real slow, some fast. Also heat will affect growth and slow it down over 90 degrees in veg. But I've known peeps grow outdoors in 120 degree temps just fine.
clone vs seed depends on the clone and seed, sativa vs indica, and size and where the clone was cut. Tiny clones take forever and big clones much faster.
stay green & safe
deZerTomB.
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been a while
been a while
thanks dezer, I do appriciate it.
the plants are, as always, pretty boring. I started spraying with neem oil today as a precautionary measure, better safe then sorry. That stuff stinks though.
The plants are all on their 6-7th node, none have started alternating yet. The runt is on its 5th node I think.
I came to a decision today. There is one plant that I am especially fond of, because it has grown the fastest and always seems to be a happy camper. IF this plant is a girl, then I will keep the top 44 in my grow for a couple grows and do a couple SOGs with it. IF its a boy, then its MT time.
I really don't care one way or another. Id really like to start working with clones and getting a somewhat perpetual harvest going, BUT the MT is definately superior genetics, and actually matches up to my area/plans better than the top44.
Id like to start growing "trees" and experimenting with different training methods and growing methods, which I can't really do with the top44. Still, I have always wanted to run a SOG, and probably will run one in the future under my 1000w, so doing a SOG with the top44 would be cool too.
As always, only time will tell.
Pics next time I post (this obligates me to take pics )
Peace
Thanks to those who are looking out (you know who you are)
been a while
thanks dezer, I do appriciate it.
the plants are, as always, pretty boring. I started spraying with neem oil today as a precautionary measure, better safe then sorry. That stuff stinks though.
The plants are all on their 6-7th node, none have started alternating yet. The runt is on its 5th node I think.
I came to a decision today. There is one plant that I am especially fond of, because it has grown the fastest and always seems to be a happy camper. IF this plant is a girl, then I will keep the top 44 in my grow for a couple grows and do a couple SOGs with it. IF its a boy, then its MT time.
I really don't care one way or another. Id really like to start working with clones and getting a somewhat perpetual harvest going, BUT the MT is definately superior genetics, and actually matches up to my area/plans better than the top44.
Id like to start growing "trees" and experimenting with different training methods and growing methods, which I can't really do with the top44. Still, I have always wanted to run a SOG, and probably will run one in the future under my 1000w, so doing a SOG with the top44 would be cool too.
As always, only time will tell.
Pics next time I post (this obligates me to take pics
)Peace
Thanks to those who are looking out (you know who you are)
deZerTomB
Member
top44
top44
was a slow grower for me, but I grew it from the indoor mix a long time ago. Still indicas in general are slower veggers and faster flowerers, sativas grow fast and flower longer.
You can start your MT right now if you're looking to perpetual harvest. I try to keep at least 8 inmy flower room all the time, so I can harvest every week, perpetually hehe. The MT should show more of the growth you're looking for, from what I've read and seen looks similar to durban.
You can clone from the top and she will branch in 2 or 4 but this will slow down the growth, or you can clone from the bottom if there are any viable branches in veg or after a week or 2 in flower. I prefer to wait until after the first week of flower now to clone, so I can get into flower as fast as possible, and don't waste clones on males. Then when or if I get all caught up, then I will pull a mamma to the side of the veg for cloning exclusively. I have learned from experience to clone all females because the best looking one in veg is not always the best result after flower.
I've got 6 trees and 3 bushes right now, all the trees are 4-5 foot and the tallest has side branches as long as my arms. 3 bagseed, 2 durban skunk X apollo, and the jolly green giant is kc brains haze special X apollo. The hsXa looked better in veg but the dsXa is outshining in flower I must say. I use tomato cages and plastic from the daily newspaper to hold mine up. Flower is 2x400w hps.
With a 1kw you should be able to grow a forest hehe.
Be patient and keep up the good work and keep us updated.
top44
was a slow grower for me, but I grew it from the indoor mix a long time ago. Still indicas in general are slower veggers and faster flowerers, sativas grow fast and flower longer.
You can start your MT right now if you're looking to perpetual harvest. I try to keep at least 8 inmy flower room all the time, so I can harvest every week, perpetually hehe. The MT should show more of the growth you're looking for, from what I've read and seen looks similar to durban.
You can clone from the top and she will branch in 2 or 4 but this will slow down the growth, or you can clone from the bottom if there are any viable branches in veg or after a week or 2 in flower. I prefer to wait until after the first week of flower now to clone, so I can get into flower as fast as possible, and don't waste clones on males. Then when or if I get all caught up, then I will pull a mamma to the side of the veg for cloning exclusively. I have learned from experience to clone all females because the best looking one in veg is not always the best result after flower.
I've got 6 trees and 3 bushes right now, all the trees are 4-5 foot and the tallest has side branches as long as my arms. 3 bagseed, 2 durban skunk X apollo, and the jolly green giant is kc brains haze special X apollo. The hsXa looked better in veg but the dsXa is outshining in flower I must say. I use tomato cages and plastic from the daily newspaper to hold mine up. Flower is 2x400w hps.
With a 1kw you should be able to grow a forest hehe.
Be patient and keep up the good work and keep us updated.
gift of gab
Member
the future
the future
Ive talked to 2 people on here that have grown sags MT, and based on the answers Ive recieved from them, Im pretty sure MT grows the way Im looking for.
When all is said and done, I will have 4sqft to veg and 9sqft to flower, with 250w in veg and 400w in flower. I will also have a seperate cloning area, with 40w of fluoros. Im still a little sketchy on the cloning chamber, I have a cabinet that I plan to use, but Im a little worried that the light will be to close. Ill find out soon enough if it will work or not. If it doesn't, I still have my other cabinet
What Im looking for is 2 or 3 plants that will yeild somewhere in the range of 3-6 ounces each. Ive got it worked out in my head pretty good.
This is after I grow out 3-5 seeds and pick a female that I want to keep in my garden for a LONG time.
I figure, MT is a 60-70 day strain. So right before I put the plants in veg into flowering, I take 5 clones (room for error). The vegged plants go to flowering where they stay for 60-70 days. The cutting go into the cloning cabby for 1-2 weeks, Im going to use a swc bubbler cloner, and 1-2weeks seems to be the norm. Of course its strain dependant, but the people Ive talked to have said that MT clones well.
After the cuttings are rooted clones, I take the 3 best ones, and put them under the 250w MH where they will stay for 6-7 weeks. I figure, 1.5-2 months of veg from clone should be sufficiant to get me at least 3 ounces a plant. Im pretty confidant I will get 4+ ouces once I get the system dialed.
Then I harvest the crop in the flowering room, take clones from the vegging plants, and it all starts over.
I could stagger the plants, and realistically yeild a QP every 2 weeks from 400w flowering, 650w total.
Naturally, I will have to dial everything in. This will probably take a good year I figure, which is fine, because MT is a good strain, and I plan to keep it in my garden for many years to come.
I will need to experiment with different training techniques, as well as nutes, soil mixes, hydro, ect, ect, ect.
The way I see it though, once I KNOW the strain, I will know it for life, and even though it may take a year or more to actually KNOW the strain, it will be well worth it.
I have the equipment, I have the means, know I just need to grow grow grow.
Man, I get excited just thinking about this stuff. Im glad there are sites like this to share my experiences with, because it would be VERY hard to just keep all this stuff completely to myself.
THANK YOU ICMAGers.
BTW, damn I lied about the pics, next time though, probably in about 8 hours I would guess.
peace and happiness
G o G
the future
Ive talked to 2 people on here that have grown sags MT, and based on the answers Ive recieved from them, Im pretty sure MT grows the way Im looking for.
When all is said and done, I will have 4sqft to veg and 9sqft to flower, with 250w in veg and 400w in flower. I will also have a seperate cloning area, with 40w of fluoros. Im still a little sketchy on the cloning chamber, I have a cabinet that I plan to use, but Im a little worried that the light will be to close. Ill find out soon enough if it will work or not. If it doesn't, I still have my other cabinet
What Im looking for is 2 or 3 plants that will yeild somewhere in the range of 3-6 ounces each. Ive got it worked out in my head pretty good.
This is after I grow out 3-5 seeds and pick a female that I want to keep in my garden for a LONG time.
I figure, MT is a 60-70 day strain. So right before I put the plants in veg into flowering, I take 5 clones (room for error). The vegged plants go to flowering where they stay for 60-70 days. The cutting go into the cloning cabby for 1-2 weeks, Im going to use a swc bubbler cloner, and 1-2weeks seems to be the norm. Of course its strain dependant, but the people Ive talked to have said that MT clones well.
After the cuttings are rooted clones, I take the 3 best ones, and put them under the 250w MH where they will stay for 6-7 weeks. I figure, 1.5-2 months of veg from clone should be sufficiant to get me at least 3 ounces a plant. Im pretty confidant I will get 4+ ouces once I get the system dialed.
Then I harvest the crop in the flowering room, take clones from the vegging plants, and it all starts over.
I could stagger the plants, and realistically yeild a QP every 2 weeks from 400w flowering, 650w total.
Naturally, I will have to dial everything in. This will probably take a good year I figure, which is fine, because MT is a good strain, and I plan to keep it in my garden for many years to come.
I will need to experiment with different training techniques, as well as nutes, soil mixes, hydro, ect, ect, ect.
The way I see it though, once I KNOW the strain, I will know it for life, and even though it may take a year or more to actually KNOW the strain, it will be well worth it.
I have the equipment, I have the means, know I just need to grow grow grow.
Man, I get excited just thinking about this stuff. Im glad there are sites like this to share my experiences with, because it would be VERY hard to just keep all this stuff completely to myself.
THANK YOU ICMAGers.
BTW, damn I lied about the pics, next time though, probably in about 8 hours I would guess.
peace and happiness
G o G
