Tom Hill Haze

[MAHA KALA]

I still have a bunch I made with that batch that Mike has, they can be shared and have been with quite few already

I have these too right? if so thank you. I have also reproduction from Argentina. thank you friend!

I dont know what is reason for that you cant mention that also white buffalo, your friends, are working on seedsman preservation too. can you compare their work to those seeds you sent me? it is the same?

what do you think about MadMacs opinion that this seedsman line from chicago is too inbred and not so vigorous like toms haze or 90shaze? is white buffalo version more vigorous? thanks for your opinion.

 

[Nexus7]

get it from Tom Hill, not from low numbers "reproduction"... he is reproducing it right now, mixing batches from different years. and he said it will be available two dollars per seed. watch him on IG...

Minimum 100 seed purchase!

Also I think he said he would make the elite cuts available from his 200+ plant selection and/or include a small sample of the elite end product and advise the approximate number of plants required to find an elite example ~ 1 in 20.

Good to see Tom leading the way and hopefully a few other breeders follow suit!

Hats off to @TomHill

 

[Nexus7]

what do you think about MadMacs opinion that this seedsman line from chicago is too inbred and not so vigorous like toms haze or 90shaze? is white buffalo version more vigorous? thanks.

I would have to respectfully disagree. The OHzs1 from madmac was much more vigorous then the THH best from madmac.

I really struggled to get the THH best above 4ft in height outdoors while his OHzs1 and some NHz f3 I have had no problems topping 6ft with the OHzs1 approaching 2m!

For me madmac THH best has slow growth and struggles to make roots. She probably prefers a drier soil which I didn't give her.

Nice smoke though.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I would have to respectfully disagree. The OHzs1 from madmac was much more vigorous then the THH best from madmac.

I really struggled to get the THH best above 4ft in height outdoors while his OHzs1 and some NHz f3 I have had no problems topping 6ft with the OHzs1 approaching 2m!

For me madmac THH best has slow growth and struggles to make roots. She probably prefers a drier soil which I didn't give her.

Nice smoke though.

I dont know I have never grown his toms haze, but he works with toms haze cut from orginal seeds, not from his reproduction. it is in this thread where he said seedsman is not so vigorous as toms haze or 90shaze. you can disagree with him, I dont care.

I grew my toms heavy thai posi cut next to cut of nevilles haze, and it outgrew NH twice. I said this numerous times. I dont care about your watered down toms haze. my toms haze is super vigorous, easy to root and easy to keep...

 

[bigherb]

Sam has posted This.

That tells me no one really knows but the original growers and even they may not know as many back then didn't label seed they just threw it all in one tin / match box so on.

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Much Respect to Everyone mentioned Below

This is a great post from Sams , in my opinion it Speaks Volumes and Explains Clearly Who Knows What Happened in 1969

You Highlighted Sams Admitting This verison does not come from G the originator but both RL and J

Sams says J helped ( the Original Haze guy who did it first up in SC mountains ) Thats G the originator

Sams also says J was good friends of RCC

Well that is very different from the story G the Originator shared with my friend . Soo Sams was Not in Santa Cruz until 71 and RL didn’t connect with G until about that time . Soo who would know best the True Story

RCC was never allowed in on the Haze Grows is what I was told . His only Haze experience comes outside the Originators circle .

My friend put RCC on to his first big Outdoor grow he was a college friend . Soo let the legend tell us about the four way Haze story again and his role on the SC Haze Scene . Both Sams and RCC were younger cats Soo you know how that goes


As is life there were several cats Growing the Haze but locked tight in that circle n others circles .word was 150 pound Harvest seasons


I can’t speak anyone’s Experience/ truth
But call me crazy if it’s hard to believe the story from the G the Man Who Birthed Haze
Instead of his helper J or RL who linked up a year or 2 later because G’s interest in his Green house

Also you gotta think about my story and what is posted . The 3 Haze brothers from New Jersey not J N R .

Do we Remember Sams old post of the Haze bros j n r . Well that was in reference to RL n J the helper I’d assume or G the Surfer boy

Remember the surfer boy story from that High times article by RR well there was 3 brothers from New Jersey just like I wrote in my article No connection to Sams .

Do you remember Hooteroll ?
He posted Here at ICmag and Mns forums. He was one of the brothers from Jersey Sams replied to him

Brother the Story can’t have more proof without giving interviews to the living and Government Names . The eldest of the 3 brothers passed a few years ago I believe he was still in Santa Cruz .

I see Lotta love big today but we know Haze brings Heat . Just sharing my thoughts based upon what is posted online and what I’ve shared

I was gonna join in with my thoughts on those lineage charts but someone said there are experts in the building

Sams posted above one guy used S Indian and Thai the other didnt think the Thai was as good as Original Haze and didn’t use it . That guy was surfer boy Aka G the Originator

Why are we still talking about a four way hybrid or anything other than Punto Rojo

If you know you know

More Incense Less Nonsense

1luvbigherb

 

[MAHA KALA]

stories are what they are stories... especially stories from stoners.

good haze doenst need any story, good haze plants speak for themselves.

 

[Chi13]

Minimum 100 seed purchase!

Also I think he said he would make the elite cuts available from his 200+ plant selection and/or include a small sample of the elite end product and advise the approximate number of plants required to find an elite example ~ 1 in 20.

Good to see Tom leading the way and hopefully a few other breeders follow suit!

Hats off to @TomHill

As a non commercial sativa loving hobby grower, there's no way I'm growing 100 plants to find a good one. When I read comments like this I tend to steer clear of a variety. I guess it depends on how sub par those other 99 plants that didn't make to cut are? I also wonder if it is just breeders covering their arse. If people complain they can always say "well did you grow 100 plants to find the good one?".

 

[bigherb]

stories are what they are stories... especially stories from stoners.

good haze doenst need any story, good haze plants speak for themselves.

You speak your truth often

Some speak more than they listen

 

[MAHA KALA]

plants speak for themselves. if it is thai phenotype, it is thai phenotype and no story can change it.

better to grow it. plants are about growing right?

 

[Happy Times]

I don't think Gollis OH used in that cross is relaxing. If then the relaxing will come from Toms relaxing purple stuff or MadMacs selections of it.

Or from Positronics compact Haze.

I didn’t realize 4-way was four types of skunk

Sorry off topic for the Haze thread, love those old catalog shots

 

[MAHA KALA]

As a non commercial sativa loving hobby grower, there's no way I'm growing 100 plants to find a good one. When I read comments like this I tend to steer clear of a variety. I guess it depends on how sub par those other 99 plants that didn't make to cut are? I also wonder if it is just breeders covering their arse. If people complain they can always say "well did you grow 100 plants to find the good one?".

you are right it is not for commercial growers at all. and also that special one is 5% one, so 100 plants can be too little number for it, unless you get lucky, which happens.

 

[bigherb]

plants speak for themselves. if it is thai phenotype, it is thai phenotype and no story can change it.

better to grow it. plants are about growing right?

I replied to Hempy speaking about a doubt of lineage . With a post from Sams

Where do you come off to say my experience is just a story from a stoner

Well you didn’t even man up and quote my post but no doubt referred to me in text

You can teach me about this Thai in Tom hills Haze and Ill teach you about Respect

 

[MAHA KALA]

I dont attact you, I just share my perspective on it. in fact I reacted only to this "Why are we still talking about a four way hybrid or anything other than Punto Rojo"

I say they people forget. skunkman said he may have crossed it to thai, but he doesnt remember it... he doesnt remember what lines he gave to positronics... so what now? people forget and then their memories play with fantasy. thats how stories are created. so we ca have 4-way story and punto rojo story next to each other. none of these stories will have any impact on quality of plants we are growing today...

I would be interested in knowing how many people found punto rojo phenotype in seedsman line, which is line straightly from Skunkman? never heard of it. Mac told me he found PR pheno in 90shaze.. I was told by growers who love colombians lines, not just one, that seedsman is close to colombian gold, that it is not the same, but resembles it.

 

[MAHA KALA]

recently I heard story from Dronkers that skunkman lost all this haze stock, and started with nevilles haze and bred NL out LOL hahaha and thats what we have as OHz today

story can be also result of manipulative lying... as every breeder got bunch of haters behind his back.

this is toms haze thread, so I will stay on topic and say that I dont care if toms haze is line of original haze or it is original haze x thai. I dont care. I care about quality of effect, I have never found such effect in dutch hazes.

 

[bigherb]

I say they people forget. skunkman said he may have crossed it to thai, but he doesnt remember it... so what now? people forget and then their memories play with fantasy. thats how stories are created. so we ca have 4-way story and punto rojo story next to each other. none of these stories will have any impact on quality of plants we are growing toda

I dont attact you, I just share my perspective on it. in fact I reacted only to this "Why are we still talking about a four way hybrid or anything other than Punto Rojo"

I say they people forget. skunkman said he may have crossed it to thai, but he doesnt remember it... he doesnt remember what lines he gave to positronics... so what now? people forget and then their memories play with fantasy. thats how stories are created. so we ca have 4-way story and punto rojo story next to each other. none of these stories will have any impact on quality of plants we are growing today...

I’m about Peace love and Haze

But I’m a man of respect

I believe in letting the plants speak but i disagree about the truth having no impact or importance

We all have Eyes , but some are still blinded by Hate or passion.

Have a laugh , but This was my experience with what’s said to express Thai and a Colombian

Left to right 2011
motarebel G13hp
Tom hill Haze - Hazy lady
Colombian Gold - keyplay - via medic

The vigor of the Colombian was extreme to Tom hill Haze . THH a much lighter Green in the same soil ground . THH branch were thicker stronger branching but not as much lateral growth

The Colombian Gold had amazing vigor extreme lower lateral branching explosive growth dark green color . Floppy stems . Longer to sex than THH and skinner leaves than THH

 

[MAHA KALA]

okay, I have no problem wiht it. I didnt say colombian gold is less vigorous. I said nevilles haze is less vigorous to me than toms haze. I have never grown seedsman, I just said what Mac about chicago selection of seedsman said in this thread, so not about all seedsman lines out there. also I said, if you can read, that seedsman is not identical to colombian gold, but that it resembles it. everybody who understands the matter, know there is difference between pheno of colombian gold and colombian gold pheno of polyhybrid like Ohaze.

it is natural as that colombian gold is probably 18 weeker, and like I said Tom selected for 14 weekers. althouhg I am not sure, if we can assume wilderness to be the same as vigor... wild sativa can appear to be more vigorous, but I am not sure if more wild means more vigor, not sure about it... if thinner leaf and more stretch means more vigor. maybe these are two different things. as stretch is done by genes, not by vigor. and toms haze was not only bigger than NH, but also much more resistant to plagues and cold, thus I think it is more vigor.

but I would like to hear about punto rojo phenos in OHz. you got it? show it to me please, as I am very curious about it. story is nice. but where are those punto rojo phenos?

I believe Mac when he says he got punto rojo pheno of 90shaze. I had punto rojo pheno of Nevilles haze, which is pretty rare in NH. but your favorite story, you call the truth, says it is punto rojo. so punto rojo phenos should be over the place. so show me one you got please thanks.

if original haze is punto rojo dom, it should be easy to find such pheno right? I got red colombian(probably different thing to punto rojo) pheno of toms haze too. one in 40 females.

the truth is in plants, not in stories.

 

[MAHA KALA]

and again I have to repeat. toms haze is not pure thai. it contains thai phenos, which are not pure thai. Tom says it is more complex than pue thai...

 

[@hempy]

No point arguing about things that happened what close to 60 years a go now guys. Even Sam is not sure of the real back ground of Haze as the people he relied on for that information had conflicting story's.

The old Colombians gave a set type of high and the old Thais gave a completely different set type of high what i know for sure is both these unique highs can be found in Haze and i know im not the only one that thinks this.

 

[Brother Nature]

Who cares where it came from.. After all this time Haze is still one of the most sought after highs, lets focus on where it's going... like to the moon, I bet we could grow haze on the moon, moon haze...

 

[mexcurandero420]

This is a S1 SSSC SkunkHz from now 39 year old cutting.This is the most nearest you can get.